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		<title>By: the dude</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/2010-loss-of-freedom-too-high-a-price/comment-page-1/#comment-64125</link>
		<dc:creator>the dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you just waken up? btw. this is not about Gold medals. We all want them for Canada of course.

(Response: I&#039;m awake .. promise.  Haven&#039;t you been reading my blog?  :)  h.o.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you just waken up? btw. this is not about Gold medals. We all want them for Canada of course.</p>
<p>(Response: I&#8217;m awake .. promise.  Haven&#8217;t you been reading my blog?  <img src='http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   h.o.</p>
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		<title>By: Toby F</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/2010-loss-of-freedom-too-high-a-price/comment-page-1/#comment-64102</link>
		<dc:creator>Toby F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harv, is all this &quot;security&quot; for the Olympics some sort of big experiment?  Are Canadian and American security organizations (both public and private) pushing the envelope to see what they can get away with?

(Response: I don&#039;t beleive so. I think it&#039;s just absolute fear that something terrible could happen; determination to prevent it; and an almost unlimited budget to do so . h.o)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harv, is all this &#8220;security&#8221; for the Olympics some sort of big experiment?  Are Canadian and American security organizations (both public and private) pushing the envelope to see what they can get away with?</p>
<p>(Response: I don&#8217;t beleive so. I think it&#8217;s just absolute fear that something terrible could happen; determination to prevent it; and an almost unlimited budget to do so . h.o)</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In BC we have legislation allowing police to enter our house to enforce the specified municipalities (Richmond, Vancouver, Whistler)sign bylaws, between Feb 1 and Mar 31, 2010:

BC Bill 13   2009
Part 9
77  Municipalities Enabling and Validating Act 

http://www.leg.bc.ca/39th1st/1st_read/gov13-1.htm

I find this pretty offensive.

(Response: It&#039;s true ... blame the polticians for allowing that. But I understand the police have already said they have no intention of doing that.  h.o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In BC we have legislation allowing police to enter our house to enforce the specified municipalities (Richmond, Vancouver, Whistler)sign bylaws, between Feb 1 and Mar 31, 2010:</p>
<p>BC Bill 13   2009<br />
Part 9<br />
77  Municipalities Enabling and Validating Act </p>
<p><a href="http://www.leg.bc.ca/39th1st/1st_read/gov13-1.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.leg.bc.ca/39th1st/1st_read/gov13-1.htm</a></p>
<p>I find this pretty offensive.</p>
<p>(Response: It&#8217;s true &#8230; blame the polticians for allowing that. But I understand the police have already said they have no intention of doing that.  h.o)</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn2</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/2010-loss-of-freedom-too-high-a-price/comment-page-1/#comment-64100</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob Quellos is an activist who speaks out against the olympics,i.e. &quot;Pushing The Helpless Out Of House and Home&quot; in Chicago.
He seems to be a very capable critic and writer.
I don&#039;t recall commenting on fairness.
Just a rush to judgement .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Quellos is an activist who speaks out against the olympics,i.e. &#8220;Pushing The Helpless Out Of House and Home&#8221; in Chicago.<br />
He seems to be a very capable critic and writer.<br />
I don&#8217;t recall commenting on fairness.<br />
Just a rush to judgement .</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 15:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A rush to judgement ?
Why was his companion Bob Quelles an organizer with No Games Chicago allowed to enter Canada if we are so oppressive?

(REsponse: As I said there MAY be valid reasons to exclude Macias. But when a government agencies excludes a writer/journalist/reporter they owe us a public reason for their discriminatory actions. As for the fact his companion was alowed in ..that&#039;s a red herring used in MANY police states: we arrested only the activist who speaks up.speaks out and reports what he/she says... but let thousands of others through...so we&#039;re being &quot;fair&quot;.  Humbug!  The real test of freedom is when you allow &quot;critics&quot; in ... unless you have EVIDENCE he will break the law. Where&#039;s the evidence?  .  h.o.) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A rush to judgement ?<br />
Why was his companion Bob Quelles an organizer with No Games Chicago allowed to enter Canada if we are so oppressive?</p>
<p>(REsponse: As I said there MAY be valid reasons to exclude Macias. But when a government agencies excludes a writer/journalist/reporter they owe us a public reason for their discriminatory actions. As for the fact his companion was alowed in ..that&#8217;s a red herring used in MANY police states: we arrested only the activist who speaks up.speaks out and reports what he/she says&#8230; but let thousands of others through&#8230;so we&#8217;re being &#8220;fair&#8221;.  Humbug!  The real test of freedom is when you allow &#8220;critics&#8221; in &#8230; unless you have EVIDENCE he will break the law. Where&#8217;s the evidence?  .  h.o.)</p>
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		<title>By: RS</title>
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		<dc:creator>RS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps while Harpo is here, he &#039;n&#039; Gordo, if they had any sense of right and wrong or could muster even a smidgen of integrity between &#039;em, they could ask a few questions &#039;n&#039; then invite Mr. Macias back to  Vancouver.  

Yeah -- right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps while Harpo is here, he &#8216;n&#8217; Gordo, if they had any sense of right and wrong or could muster even a smidgen of integrity between &#8216;em, they could ask a few questions &#8216;n&#8217; then invite Mr. Macias back to  Vancouver.  </p>
<p>Yeah &#8212; right!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 08:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I expect Bill Boring and Norman will as usual cheer on Vanoc and our Version of the mind police. The guy was obviously more of a threat than the homeless and might even mention the sad shape of the olympic spirit here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I expect Bill Boring and Norman will as usual cheer on Vanoc and our Version of the mind police. The guy was obviously more of a threat than the homeless and might even mention the sad shape of the olympic spirit here.</p>
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		<title>By: Crankypants</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crankypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are totally correct, however I doubt that we will ever get any answers from either border services or the ISU.  My guess is that the ISU has targeted certain people and is using the border services to keep any perceived malcontents out of Canada.  When you combine this incident with the earlier debacle faced by Amy Goodman and the rousting of the many known anti olympics living here and one could come to the conclusion that our games will be dubbed the &quot;Paranoia Games&quot;.

Amy Goodman appeared on &quot;The Standard&quot; on Joy TV tonight, and if her version of the treatment she received courtesy of our border services, then it is obvious that the powers that be are out to mute any dissenting opinions.  This is so shameful.  We espouse our democratic values in many countries but refuse to practice what we preach at home.

My biggest worry is that the ISU has gotten so overly concerned about a possible bit of negative press that they may not be putting their full effort into nipping a possible terrorist action in the bud.  There is a lot of very dangerous weaponry floating around the world that is very compact, can be used at long range and can have a very devastating effect.  Maybe the border services should be focussing their efforts more on someone trying to import any such weaponry rather than one those that may lob some unkind words.  We know that they have not fared so well in the past by the kinds of firepower the gangs in BC have been able to import and utilize.  I don&#039;t know about you, but I&#039;d rather face the pain of a few cutting words rather than the effects of the business end of a rocket launcher or any other such weapon.

In closing, and totally off topic, I just saw Katarina Witt on TV skating at Robson Square, and she is just as hot as she was when she performed in Calgary.  To be fair, Elizabeth Manley looks pretty fine as well.

(Response: I saw Goodman on The Standard and found her quite credible when she talked of her treatment at the border. Now in the end she WAS allowed in for 48 hours to speak, but from everything I have read about this,  I still feel Canada Border Services went too far and acted inappropriately in her case too.   h.o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are totally correct, however I doubt that we will ever get any answers from either border services or the ISU.  My guess is that the ISU has targeted certain people and is using the border services to keep any perceived malcontents out of Canada.  When you combine this incident with the earlier debacle faced by Amy Goodman and the rousting of the many known anti olympics living here and one could come to the conclusion that our games will be dubbed the &#8220;Paranoia Games&#8221;.</p>
<p>Amy Goodman appeared on &#8220;The Standard&#8221; on Joy TV tonight, and if her version of the treatment she received courtesy of our border services, then it is obvious that the powers that be are out to mute any dissenting opinions.  This is so shameful.  We espouse our democratic values in many countries but refuse to practice what we preach at home.</p>
<p>My biggest worry is that the ISU has gotten so overly concerned about a possible bit of negative press that they may not be putting their full effort into nipping a possible terrorist action in the bud.  There is a lot of very dangerous weaponry floating around the world that is very compact, can be used at long range and can have a very devastating effect.  Maybe the border services should be focussing their efforts more on someone trying to import any such weaponry rather than one those that may lob some unkind words.  We know that they have not fared so well in the past by the kinds of firepower the gangs in BC have been able to import and utilize.  I don&#8217;t know about you, but I&#8217;d rather face the pain of a few cutting words rather than the effects of the business end of a rocket launcher or any other such weapon.</p>
<p>In closing, and totally off topic, I just saw Katarina Witt on TV skating at Robson Square, and she is just as hot as she was when she performed in Calgary.  To be fair, Elizabeth Manley looks pretty fine as well.</p>
<p>(Response: I saw Goodman on The Standard and found her quite credible when she talked of her treatment at the border. Now in the end she WAS allowed in for 48 hours to speak, but from everything I have read about this,  I still feel Canada Border Services went too far and acted inappropriately in her case too.   h.o)</p>
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		<title>By: DMJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, let me get this clear, a reporter who doesn&#039;t support the Olympics gets deported, yet there are thousands of foreign criminals roaming Canada&#039;s streets and no one seems to do anything about it.

I did not vote for VANOC to run this country, but it seems the sad and intellectually defunct people that pretend that they do run the country think journalists should be deported because they might write something uncomplimentary about the two week sports fest.

I am embarrassed and if Canada&#039;s journalist had any moral backbone, they would black list the event and report on it no more!

Will Bill Boring stop commenting on the Olympics for a moral stand?

Will CTV reporters refuse to cover Olympic Events?

Will the mainstream media boycott this shameless affair?

No, no and no. The media are sheep, dazzled with promises of Senate seats or other perks, to catapult hem into Canada&#039;s elite class.

If they do not protest and shun this affair, they will be no better than writes for Pravda.

Shame on the bloody lot of them!

Do I hear the trump of jackboots and the VANOC police at my doorstep; will the powers that be practice a &#039;Nacht und Nebel&#039;, with Olympic dissenters? One has the feeling that absolute power has gone to these bastard&#039;s heads!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, let me get this clear, a reporter who doesn&#8217;t support the Olympics gets deported, yet there are thousands of foreign criminals roaming Canada&#8217;s streets and no one seems to do anything about it.</p>
<p>I did not vote for VANOC to run this country, but it seems the sad and intellectually defunct people that pretend that they do run the country think journalists should be deported because they might write something uncomplimentary about the two week sports fest.</p>
<p>I am embarrassed and if Canada&#8217;s journalist had any moral backbone, they would black list the event and report on it no more!</p>
<p>Will Bill Boring stop commenting on the Olympics for a moral stand?</p>
<p>Will CTV reporters refuse to cover Olympic Events?</p>
<p>Will the mainstream media boycott this shameless affair?</p>
<p>No, no and no. The media are sheep, dazzled with promises of Senate seats or other perks, to catapult hem into Canada&#8217;s elite class.</p>
<p>If they do not protest and shun this affair, they will be no better than writes for Pravda.</p>
<p>Shame on the bloody lot of them!</p>
<p>Do I hear the trump of jackboots and the VANOC police at my doorstep; will the powers that be practice a &#8216;Nacht und Nebel&#8217;, with Olympic dissenters? One has the feeling that absolute power has gone to these bastard&#8217;s heads!</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harv I  agree.  He should not have been deported if there were no circumstances except he was anti owelympic.  These games have cost us way to much by way of cutbacks and freedoms. We will be paying for the remainder of our lifetimes. And was it worth it?  To me, No, never.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harv I  agree.  He should not have been deported if there were no circumstances except he was anti owelympic.  These games have cost us way to much by way of cutbacks and freedoms. We will be paying for the remainder of our lifetimes. And was it worth it?  To me, No, never.</p>
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