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BC Budget Bares Liberal Election Blueprint

February 22nd, 2017 · 61 Comments

 

Follow the money.  And you will be able to clearly see exactly WHO the Liberals are targeting as the key to retaining power in the May 9 provincial election.

The new Budget unveiled Tuesday pretty didn’t do very much for the poor and those on social assistance … because the government KNOWS those people will largely vote NDP.

Maybe that’s why those on social assistance will AGAIN get NO increase … for the TENTH year now …no doubt seen a lost cause POLITICALLY for the Liberals.

Seem heartless?  To prove that is NOT the case, the Liberals will hand those on disability another $50 a month and the government will also increase child care spaces and mental health counselling … really not much for those with the greatest needs.

However, the Finance Minister also handed out few personal goodies directly to those earning above $120,000 a year  … I’d bet because the Liberals figure those voters are already a safe bet.

BUT to soothe many of them, the government promised to phase out the 7% provincial sales tax on electricity paid by businesses and trim the small business tax rate to 2 % from 2.5%.

And then there’s the REAL target of the Liberal Budget:  the BIG block of middle income earners … about two million voters who are working, who support themselves and their families, who pay high rents or hold mortgages … and who the Liberals are gambling will show their appreciation for  TAX relief.

So out came the bucks, aimed primarily at buying middle class voters … with their own money.

NOT in the form of reduced Income Taxes … but in Medical Services Plan premiums: cutting the health tax paid by middle income British Columbians by 50 per cent …after raising them almost the same amount over the past few years.

Never mind that the “reductions” won’t start until 2018; forget the fact that BC will remain the ONLY province in Canada to tax health coverage this way; ignore the truth that the entire collection model is still extremely unfair … huge differences between groups instead of a common sliding scale of  ”premium” rates; and, set aside the tiny fact that the government says it will finally join other provinces and get rid of the premium system only at some time “in the future”.

Try taking all that to the bank and apply for a loan and see how far you get!

But the Liberals believe those who will be happy to get some of their own money back … or at least not as much collected … will take their votes to the polls and literally BUY IN.

After all, a single taxpayer’s MSP tax would drop $450 and family’s MSP tax could drop as much as $900.

The Liberals are hoping MOST won’t turn that down?  And WILL vote for them to get it.

Even if they realize no other Canadians pay for health care this way or how much the Liberals have raised the tax in recent years …  way, way beyond inflation or health care spending …. before promising now to lower it again, literally trying to buy people’s votes with their own money.

Unfortunately, history has shown vote buying by handing out goodies after years of squeezing the voters DOES work.

Even when voters know that what government gives with one hand before an election will be taken back in one form or another  … plus even more … not long after the government is sworn in.

Harv Oberfeld

Tags: British Columbia

61 responses so far ↓

  • 1 13 // Feb 23, 2017 at 3:51 am

    Well, I guess Ill have to compare how the NDP manage to fund 10 per day daycare, raise the welfare rates and appease the public sector workers.
    I guess if I have to pick a party to spend my own money Ill pick the BC Libs. BTW if the NDP manage to fund their promises and not spend my money to do it I might consider casting a ballot for them.

  • 2 Diverdarren // Feb 23, 2017 at 5:22 am

    Harvey, the budget is the first salvo in the election fight. Now it’s time for the NDP to play catch-up.

    I hope the NDP pulls together a platform sometime soon. The Liberals are leading the message. Clark puts out a balanced budget showing a surplus with benefits for nearly every wage bracket.

    Horgan’s response… A press release calling it the “Forget everything budget”. A collection of grievances that if a voter took each issue item by item and looked at the CBC report “10 things you need to know about BC budget 2017″ you’ll find each item addressed by the Liberal budget.

    The exception being the NDP $10/day babysitting. The most visible election promise the NDP has made. Sure, it’s an un-funded liability entitlement program; it’s exactly the kind of thing I’d expect from a socialist party. It’s an idea (I’ll give them that), but I don’t think it’s an election winner.

    It’s time for the NDP to put the “rubber to the road” and lay out a platform, or they risk being left in the dust of a very effective Liberal political machine.

    That last poll (Mainstreet/Postmedia Feb 21) shows Lib and NDP “Deadlocked at 37%”. But the previous poll by Mainstreet from Sept 20 showed, “38 per cent of decided and leaning voters in B.C. favour the provincial NDP — a five-point lead over the governing Liberals, who sit at 33 per cent.”

    I’m no statistician, but that looks like a 4 point Liberal gain to a 1 point NDP drop.

  • 3 nonconfidencevote // Feb 23, 2017 at 6:28 am

    Smoke and mirrors.
    50% of people dont pay MSP directly. Their employer does so this “MSP reduction” (a year from now ) is a huge snoozer with the average voter.
    I was actually surprised at how lame this budget was with the Libs fast approaching an election.
    16 years in power got them a tad lazy and uninspired?

  • 4 Gene the Bean // Feb 23, 2017 at 7:10 am

    Blah Budget.

    They probably spent twenty minutes on it.

    Truly proof that they don’t even have to try that hard to beat the nincompoops.

    Sure would like to see them lose though…….

  • 5 !? // Feb 23, 2017 at 7:23 am

    Looks like you fell for the artful dodge Harvey.

    The real story of the budget is in this graph.
    (to which you can add another $100 BILLION in contract obligations)

    BC debt 1997 – 2016

    (Response: My post was not about deficits and/or debt: interesting for those who really pay attention to finances, but unfortunately not to many voters when governments wave cash in front of them. This blog was about HOW the Libs will try to buy votes with those bucks and WHO they will target. The debt ..when it comes to buying voters with their own money …sadly doesn’t affect the majority who se only more cash in their wallets. h.o)

  • 6 G. Barry Stewart // Feb 23, 2017 at 9:22 am

    I imagine BC Hydro rates will be one of the NDP’s election targets.

    Even without throwing Site C into the mix, years of fiscal mismanagement at Hydro can only lead to ramped-up rates (plus PST) or selling off our once-shining utility.

    Then, throw Site C into the mix.

    Integrity BC shows us that from 2007 to 2015, rates went up 63.2%. Further big increases are on their way, with Hydro drowning in debt that they’re trying to push down the road.

    Almost everyone pays for electricity, so the NDP should get some good traction on that file.

    Of course, it’s up to them to lead the charge and connect with the people who need to be swayed.

    (Response: That could indeed draw a lot of public attention and even support …. if they can offer up a plan on how to make up any income loss. h.o)

  • 7 noneck // Feb 23, 2017 at 9:38 am

    *dusts off a copy of Animal Farm and reads how the animals don’t want Farmer Jones (NDP) to return to Manor Farm, so Napoleon (Libs) appeases the animals with promises of prosperity (LNG) and better living conditions (lower MSP premiums), all the while the vision of a self run farm and retirement to the Golden Pastures fades from memory and the toil of the longer work days and less food is the new reality*

  • 8 Jimbo // Feb 23, 2017 at 9:39 am

    MSP reduction another sop to business which pay employee premiums as benefit, which is then taxed back from individual as taxable benefit.
    Daycare cost ceiling would benefit business by enlarging field of employables by relieving stress of high daycare – realistically more than $10.00/day however.

    (Response: Clearly the Libs see MSP rebates as more of a widespread vote getter … than daycare! h.o)

  • 9 Howard // Feb 23, 2017 at 10:55 am

    The MSP reduction seems quite complicated to me, and poorly communicated.

    To qualify for the deduction in 2018, it seems like the $120,000 income threshold will pertain to that same year, yet that number won’t be known until sometime in the Spring of 2019 when an individual’s income tax is computed. It seems impossible to know if an individual qualifies until that time. I didn’t see it mentioned that the amount of earned income for 2017 would establish eligibility.

    Would that mean a rebate would then be applied for on the provincial portion of tax payable for 2018 on the income tax worksheet, and would that mean the rebate would be applied for retroactively in the same way for each tax year going forward?

    It looks like an individual would have to use the same tax-planning techniques used to avoid the OAS clawback.

    Also, how would an employer know if an employee qualifies for a discounted rate, since
    the employer is not privy to the income earned
    by an employee beyond what is paid as wages?

    (Response: I’m sure the rebate will create lots of jobs and huge costs …for the bureaucrats or private firms who will process all the applications etc. And I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for the entire health tax to be removed … with costs funded as part of a much fairer income tax system etc. as it has been in EVERY other province. h.o)

  • 10 Lew // Feb 23, 2017 at 11:42 am

    So the BC Liberals are trying to buy us with our own money just before an election. What a shock. And it will work again unless the NDP can show that it’s all a matter of priorities, and the BC Liberal priorities lie demonstrably with their corporate cronies.

    For example BC Hydro waste, especially the billions flowing to IPPs that were largely created by BC Liberal cronies (many flipped at a profit once long-term contracts were established) and the unnecessary $10 billion or more being wasted on Site C would easily fund a $10/day child care program and benefit the public interest to a much greater extent.

    The NDP must inform voters thusly, because the local promedia will not:

    http://pacificgazette.blogspot.ca/2017/02/this-day-in-clarklandregression-lite.html

    https://in-sights.ca/2017/02/22/the-boren-effect/

  • 11 hawgwash // Feb 23, 2017 at 11:44 am

    Harvey, I really appreciate this posting. Not because it tells me something I didn’t know or really give me any ah ha moments.

    No, I like it because anyone who knows me is well aware of my anti Clark-Liberal bias and they are either of the same mind or just tune me out.

    Now I can point to this blog, advise all it is from a balanced, fair minded, mostly unbiased, political junkie, they just read it for themselves and I can just shut up.

    Thank you.

    On the smoke and mirrors MSP game, Rafe Mair was on with Jim Goddard and among other good stuff, talked about 38 years ago when he was Health Minister.

    He says he was embarrassed about MSP premiums and how even back then, BC was only one of two provinces with fees. He also says he wanted the fees eliminated and the then finance ministers refused. 38 years ago!
    Have a listen;
    http://www.howestreet.com/2017/02/22/bc-budget-pre-election-propaganda/

    Also, in your previous post, dani at 27 said “It would be interesting to know how long ago the liberals started setting funds aside for their advertising campaign and the size of their budget.”

    Well, here is a good piece by Bob Mackin, on just that:
    One year ago today, the BC Liberals hit the cash for access motherlode.
    http://thebreaker.news/news/february-fortune-a-closer-look-at-the-day-the-bc-liberals-hit-the-motherlode/

    (Response: Always glad to help out …but remember, I haven’t seen anything yet that would make me vote NDP either! It’s tough being a cynical political junkie! h.o)

  • 12 Bill Forst // Feb 23, 2017 at 12:07 pm

    The other aspect of the MSP reduction scam is that the Libs are going to be deluging us with adverts directing people to “sign-up” for the reduction. The ONLY reason for this ridiculous sign-up is so that taxpayers have to consciously go online and confirm how much they love the Libs for this “benefit”. How about next time there is an increase, we have to go online and sign up for it!

    (Response: Of course, the already have the info they would need to calculate who qualifies for the rebate etc. BUT, when you get people to sign up … it’s a “connecting” move that subconsciously identifies them with a cause or movement … and strategists have probably told them that once people “sign up” for something they see as a benefit, there’s a better chance they’ll get out and vote …so they can collect. h.o)

  • 13 JE // Feb 23, 2017 at 1:37 pm

    So far, I see the NDP making the same mistake they have made for the last 15 years – they are ceeding the jobs and the economy to the BC Liberals, especially in the 250 area code.

    The overwhelming majority of citizens vote with their pocketbooks and most want a good paying job with which they can support themselves. The pathological NDP need to say ‘NO!” to economic development makes them a non-starter with many, many people. I genuinely thought Horgan would be different from Dix in this regard, but he has proven to be exactly the same so far.

    (Response: I agree. The NDP …once again … has called for lots of spending on all kinds of programs and people …who can no doubt use help …but I still don’t see how they plan to help create jobs and raise taxes to pay for it all. And then there’s Kinder Morgan etc ..yikes its all deja vu!!! Exactly how they lost the last election and the one before that. Perhaps there’s more to come ..???? h.o)

  • 14 Gene the Bean // Feb 23, 2017 at 7:48 pm

    #6

    This is a well beaten dead horse,

    The entire IPP Scam has been flogged and the great unwashed either are uninterested or don’t care that the biggest scam in provincial history has been perpetrated with ZERO repercussions.

    It took a once great organization and brought it to its knees, so a few well connected Liberals could make a few hundred million dollars. Zero media coverage, Gordo and “the connected” made gazillions$, nary a mention anymore.

    Truly the biggest scam in Canadian history.

    Walk this way sheeple, walk this way……

  • 15 ISLAND LOOKOUT // Feb 23, 2017 at 7:55 pm

    I’M OK WITH THE MSP PREMIUMS…
    …going down by next year.

    The loot from that impost goes to pay for any number of much-needed public services.

    Health care, as is the case everywhere in countries that impose socialized medicine, is always RATIONED.

    Rationing is the name of the game which is why it’ll take you years to get a new hip, knee parts, new ideas, whatever. That no matter where you may live in Canada.

    BTW. our health care system will get a new shot of federal cash, thanks to taxpayers everywhere, and may bring joy to some for a while.

    But health care costs will NEVER decline.
    It is a bottomless pit thanks to you.

    So paying MSP premiums for another year before they are chopped in half may not be all bad.

    After all the money would have to come from somewhere else wouldn’t it?

    Also, consider how many other Canadians move into BC on an ongoing basis which means they are LEAVING some other province!

    Also, what’s the provincial income tax rates in other provinces that don’t charge MSP?

    BC has one of the lower tax rates in this country.

    If you don’t like this situation here you may want to check out Ontario or Quebec or Nova Scotia income tax rates.

    Better off here.

    (Response: At least, though, under income tax rates, what people contribute to the health care dollar pool is on a scale geared to income. Surely that’s better than having the vast majority …. not falling into the richest or poorest categories … all paying the same …even if the spread between their various incomes amounts to $50,000 or more. h.o)

  • 16 RIsaak // Feb 23, 2017 at 9:15 pm

    The employers of 900,000 BC residents get a savings of 50% of the MSP premiums they pay for their employees, basically a bone to employers and a bone to the few who make enough and do not have employer paid premiums, yawn.
    .5% discount on tax for business Hydro customers, which goes hand in hand with the hydro subsidies enjoyed by many mines etc.? Imperial metals gets yet another fiscal handout for all the stumping they’ve done for the Liberals. Meanwhile two tier billing, high rates (soon much higher hen bills for Site C and transmission lines added), the Laura Miller effect on the Hydro scene is evident.
    I really can’t see where all the positive takes on this budget are coming from, other than the media cheerleaders. No one I interact with has had a single positive comment, they all vote and actually a few past ardent Socred types are quite fed up (raging grandparents syndrome, but they all vote and have voted Liberal).
    The elephant is and will be (should the NDP wake up and play the hand they’ve been gifted), future contractual obligations. Just today Minister Stone was contradicting his prior words about the Port Mann being in the black by now. With the cost over-running habits of the favored contractors used on many of the recent projects, one can hardly expect Site C, Massey Bridge and in fact all large civil contracts to be brought in on budget. 170 Billion reasons to worry!

  • 17 hawgwash // Feb 23, 2017 at 9:23 pm

    Suppose the NDP created a diversion of their own and see what CC Raider says. How about, “ok, here’s what WE will do with aaaaaaaaallllll that money the Liberals claim is just sitting there in surplus.”

    Lay out a platform based on the Liberal numbers. Tell the folks “if it’s there great, if it’s not, hey, can’t blame us.”

    “Oh, and by the way, we’ll try an old Gordo trick and tear up all those IPP and Run of River contracts and allow BC Hydro to generate and sell power to us at the going rate.”

    How about the NDP calls their bluff on the Massey replacement to say they would twin the tunnel at a fraction the cost of a bridge.

    How could Coleman, Clark and Co counter these?

  • 18 Ron // Feb 24, 2017 at 12:23 am

    So Harvey, you say the Liberals are doing nothing but buying us off with our own money, others (including myself) say the Liebs sold out our province with BC Rail, IPP’s, BC Hydro, ICBC, Bridges, MFCD child deaths, Clucky paying $1 million for a photog, major fiscal theft in the form of “mismanagement” and you can’t think of anything that will let you vote for ABC (anyone but Clark).
    You really are a sheep (or a wolf in sheep’s clothing) by saying that the NDP have no platform and you are showing it to everyone! WTF more do they need?
    If I’m not mistaken, it looks to me that you also have been paid off along with all BC’s MSM.

  • 19 e.a.f. // Feb 24, 2017 at 2:20 am

    but can voters trust Christy Clark and the B.C. Lieberals to “deliver” on the promise?

    if Christy and her cabal “loose” that money, how will it be made up? They’ve had to stop bleeding ICBC so they can’t “steal” that $500M a year. If they’ve reducing small business tax, how will they provide medical care with less money?

    I wouldn’t believe anything that woman says. Her promises are hollow. This is the political party which said all sort of things they wouldn’t do and then did.

    Turf the bums out. They don’t keep their promises and there is no reason to believe they will keep them this time.

  • 20 BMCQ // Feb 24, 2017 at 7:54 am

    RIsaak – 16

    Do you not think that if a Business gets a break on MSP or any kind of Tax that it might benefit B.C. or say Canada in some small way?

    Are you are aware that it is very tough for Business in any B.C. Jurisdiction today.

    Are you aware that between ever rising Property Taxes which have a huge affect on a Business that Rents or a Business that owns their Premises/Property that many Business are barely making a go of it today.

    Are you aware that with the advent and ever increasing “On Line” Shopping many Store Fronts are closing up all over North America?

    Pick an nice Mild and Sunny Day and walk down Davie St. to Denman St. and then along Denman to Robson St., then venture up Robson St. to Burrard.

    You will find OVER 50 Empty Store Fronts, Stores that were once the Proud Business of Hard Working Canadians could not survive because of ever rising Rents due to out of Control Property Taxes by Mayor Robertson and his Activist Left Wing Council that care nothing about those hard working Retailers.

    Don’t you think that those Business Owners are not entitled to a little bit of a “Break” themselves?

    Are you aware that Small Business Employees in one or way or another 80% of the Population of this Province and Country?

    But perhaps you are not aware of any of that, you simply consider Business People Evil and Greedy People that care about nothing but Money.

    Oh and keep in mind that Vancouver Proper brings in hundreds of Millions of Dollars more than at any time before. Where is it going?

    The Provincial Government cannot please all Citizens so they make a choice and I hope they attempt to find a balance that works for most Citizens.

    If you disagree with what they have done why not be like 90% of those that Post here that made their Lives secure by working mostly under a “Free Enterprise Government” and Vote for John Horgan, Anarchist David Eby, Crime Fighter Mike Farnworth, Media Darling Chandra Spenser, George Heyman, the very confused and conflicted Harry Lali, Campaigning Genius Adrian Dix, and the rest that promise the People of B.C. at a cost of more than likely 2 Billion Dollars with no way of paying for it.

    Just what the Tax Payers of B.C. need, another layer of BCGEU Employees running $ 10.00 Day Care.

    Then thee will be the guaranteed massive increases of Funding for Health Care which is already close to 50% of the Province Budget, the massive give away to the BCTF for Education which is already about 25% of the Provincial Budget, and then thee is the Billion or so that will be added to Social Services and the aG Ministry within weeks of a Horgan Government taking Office.

    Oh and then there is the fact that the John Horgan “Light Show” with do away with each and every Major Infrastructure Project right across the Province.

    That will do a lot for Union and Non Union Blue Collar Workers will it not?

    And just where will the Income Tax and Spending from those Hard Working Blue Collars then be generated from?

    Hey I know, we could re-train them all and they could become Day Care Workers, why did I not think of that earlier!

    Hey before you know it Horgan could be running B.C. very much like the way “Intellectual Giant”and Financial Genius Kathleen Wynne and her predecessor has taken the Province of Ontario.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/news/ontario-debt/

    Make Your Choice my Friend, what do you have to lose?

  • 21 BMCQ // Feb 24, 2017 at 8:35 am

    Full Disclosure

    Before I get into trouble here I should point out that My Company very happily pays MSP Premiums for All of our Employees so there will be a benefit.

    Please keep in mind that most small Business cannot afford to pay MSP for it’s Workers.

    Most larger Business that pay MSP are owned by a few Individuals each or in many cases they are owned by Corporations and Shareholders so the B.C L Party does not really benefit from Votes from those.

    The Government made the decision to reduce MSP for several reasons, impact, direct benefits to the majority of Citizens and yes, they were angling to look better to those Voters all parties covet, and that in fact is no different than the planning of the Roll Out of the NDP Platform if and when we ever see it.

    We will get a Statement from Official Opposition will we not?

    Will they be releasing their Election Platform any time soon?

    Is John Horgan even in Town?

    …………………………

    I must agree with the many up the page that have criticized the Roll Out of the MSP Reduction in the new Budget.

    I do not understand why so many Governments at ALL three Levels have so much difficulty in the Roll Out of various Legislation and Policies

    Why make the NSP Reduction so complicated?

    I hope a handful of Elected Members or Senior B.C. Civil Servants see some of the Comments on this Blog and take a day or two to re-boot the way the citizens of B.C. are being asked to access the Roll Back – Reduction in MSP Premiums.

    Could not imagine anything worse!

    Who thinks this stuff up?

    The Government should realize that the Hoops they are asking MSP Premium Holders to Jump Through are ridiculous and very aggravating at best and it could very well cost them Votes.

    I reminds me of the ridiculous Roll-Out of the Melded Sales Tax several years ago.

    A very Good Tax that was scuttled and rejected because of a wrong minded Roll-Out by the Gordon Campbell Government.

    The Province and it’s People would have been much better off with that Melded Tax.

    ………………………….

  • 22 dani // Feb 24, 2017 at 10:54 am

    Thanks hawgwash for the information you have provided on dates and donations made to the liberal party. Very eye opening, to say the least. It is no wonder the New York Times referred to BC as the wild west. How this continues in this day and age is beyond me.
    It’s not surprising that they have taken all this time to plan and strategize how much and where to distribute these funds so as to benefit in securing the most votes. Why call the legislature to session to work on responsible governing when it is better off planning how to hold onto power for an additional four years.
    Last time around we heard about LNG and how this would be the province’s panacea. Not a peep on this lately. A couple of days ago the local news reported that ICBC’s financial situation is no longer looking good. Looks like they are preparing us for a rate hike in the future. It doesn’t sound like there will any more coffers to rob from them in the near future.
    I am thankful to Harvey and all the people who post on this blog for providing such useful information. I’m learning a lot. Unfortunately this only highlights what a poor job the MSM are doing with the news they provide, barely scratching the surface on so many areas that need investigation. Is it possible that a large segment of the voting population is unaware of what is going on in the real world of BC politics and voting without knowing all the facts or are people just apathetic?
    Politics really is a dirty business. I wonder how some of these people sleep at night.

  • 23 ISLAND LOOKOUT // Feb 24, 2017 at 11:40 am

    #7 Noneck

    At the end of Animal Farm the pigs collude with the human farmers to concoct a “new” or “better” way of running the farm.

    This consigns the rest of the animals to lives of slavery for the “new” boss(es).

    BC politics is nothing like that. No matter what you may think.

    For example, and back to the MSP payment structure; it does not cut along class (income) lines but is simply a monthly lump sum for the middle and higher so-called classes (the poor — those below a certain income level — get it for “free”).

    It must be costly to bust down every income category, namely by deciding what those categories should be and how much to charge each category. So it didn’t happen. Talk about “1984″ and “Animal Farm.”

    Bottom line: NOTHING’S for free in this or any other civilization. Period.

    We always wind up paying the taxman like it or lump it.

    He knows wherein lie our pockets, pouches, bank accounts and the whole nine yards.

    Pay up, or pay up!

  • 24 JE // Feb 24, 2017 at 12:03 pm

    As someone who votes BC Liberal I am very heartened by the comments in this thread. All I see are New Democrats grinding their axes on ancient “scandals” the public has long forgotten and demanding government spend WAY more money on everything.

    Maybe I should stop shaking my head at the inability of the NDP leadership to conceive and propose an economic strategy. Clearly they are just reflecting the will of their grassroots members who, amazingly, even find reasons to complain about the current government building public infrastructure with unionized workers. No wonder blue collar trades now vote BC Liberal instead of the NDP.

  • 25 D.M. Johnston // Feb 24, 2017 at 1:54 pm

    In a 2 part series in the Tyee and now Dead Dog ’98, the hoary tale of the Massey Tunnel replacement bridge is being repeated. I do think the public is beginning to wonder with the priorities of this government and their spending.

    Hot on the heels is the Port Mann poor performance as a revenue generator and I am hearing from acquaintances that it is time for Christi to go.

    Also, the boomers are on the move, out of metro Vancouver, many with bittersweet memories of a pleasant house but huge taxation to support our politicians addiction to build vanity projects.

    I am too, considering such a move when my youngest is out of high school to quieter, cheaper climes.

    No more can the Liberals claim they are fiscally prudent, rather they seem to be spendthrifts, directing billions of dollars to political friends.

    What I can see happening that in the riding rich Metro Vancouver, the aging conservative boomers are leaving to riding poor hinterlands, leaving the riding rich metro Vancouver populated by voters who are very concerned about spending, MSP, tolls etc. They may not like the NDP, but they may even like the Liberals less.

    Could a demographic change from four years ago tilt the election the NDP’s way? From what I see it is the only thing tilting the NDP’s way!

  • 26 Lew // Feb 24, 2017 at 4:05 pm

    Norm Farrell will be on CKNW Monday morning at 9:05 to discuss BC Hydro with Jon McComb.

    Jon reports that Christy Clark has been asked three dozen times to appear on his show but has declined every time. You’d think she’d be anxious to come on now and brag about her budget and election blueprint, but no dice.

    Must be the scent of his aftershave, ’cause it sure isn’t his hairspray.

  • 27 13 // Feb 24, 2017 at 9:07 pm

    JE@24 “No wonder the blue collar trades now vote BC Liberal instead of NDP”..

    That sentence should be plastered on every bus bench, every newspaper and every TV and radio station until the evening of May 8 2017. On May 10th a simple one page ad saying thank you to all of the private sector workers , Union and non union that voted to create jobs.
    Government unions can lament what might have been: increased hiring to run even bigger bureaucracies, increases to their defined pension plans, more sick days, more everything.
    Yes JE I was once an NDP supporter , but one day I realized that even though I was a union member the NDP did zippo nada nothing to help the private sector unions. I realized that my only option was to become a member of the BC Liberals.

  • 28 r // Feb 25, 2017 at 12:30 am

    allegedly 1M people have MSP paid for by employer so really a business tax break?

  • 29 D.M. Johnston // Feb 25, 2017 at 7:47 am

    @JE

    I think the Liberals get in because their voters support their ethos, get rich quick and damn the laws and damn anyone who gets in our way.

    “I’m alright Jack”.

    That is Boomer talk and the Boomers are dying out at an ever quickening pace.

    It may be demographics and not political acumen that will get the NDP elected.

    @13

    Yet “Fast Ferries” were used ad naseum to defeat the NDP, yet very few people know and understand the Fast Ferry project and why it went south.

    I am no NDP supporter and the NDP have serious problems, like former party leaders that do not know when to depart, but the shear dishonesty and corruption emanating from the BC Liberal party has even some Federal Liberal (no strangers from corruption) shaking their heads.

    In South Delta, where I live, we had a twice elected independent, because the stench from the former Liberal MLA was too much for many good Liberals and they voted accordingly.

  • 30 13 // Feb 25, 2017 at 9:21 am

    @Lew
    I can hardly wait for a Farrell JM interview. I dont get how anyone can say that NW is in the tank for the BC LIBS.
    @r
    Anyone that gets their MSP paid by their employer (lucky bastards) also gets taxed on the amount.. So both parties enjoy a tax break.
    @DM J
    I prefer to think of the NDPs total lack of direction as a reason for their defeat (s). They abandoned their private sector worker base in favor of the green dream.

  • 31 nonconfidencevote // Feb 25, 2017 at 11:10 am

    @#29 DM Johnston
    “That is Boomer talk and the Boomers are dying out at an ever quickening pace.’
    ********************************************

    Actaully they are retireing at an ever increasing pace. and living longer than GenX’ers, Millenials
    And voting more often.
    Twice as many Boomers (70% on average)vote as Millenials( 30% on average) with the exception of the Federal Trudeau election (60% of millenials voted) and that definitely had an effect.
    Its no secret why Kevin O’eary is stating that he wants to appeal to the youth vote if he becomes leader of the conservative party …..
    You can win elections with millenials IF they get out and vote.

  • 32 Lew // Feb 25, 2017 at 1:56 pm

    @13:
    If you get bored waiting for Norm’s interview, you could always have a read of this.

    http://thebreaker.news/news/clark-once-slammed-propaganda-waste-now-she-dings-taxpayers-for-pre-election-ad-blitz/

  • 33 Ron // Feb 25, 2017 at 6:16 pm

    From Rafe Mair’s site,
    BC’s “alternative facts” budget:
    http://rafeonline.com/2017/02/bcs-alternative-facts-budget/#more-3762
    Here it says: The so-called balanced budget has only been achieved by delay, spending suppression or hiding contractual liabilities. This is a form of Enron off-balance sheet accounting, that for the first time ever, caused the independent auditor to title their opinion with a new term. BC Hydro did not deliver an annual “audited” report.
    Also: If the NDP wins the election this year Moody’s will have the opportunity to hit the BC credit rating down-grade button, thereby making the NDP the goat.

    So the Lieberals have never balanced a budget, just lying through their teeth.
    Rafe says that Site C will never be completed

  • 34 Ron // Feb 25, 2017 at 6:26 pm

    Also, did we ever think that the Kinder Morgan pipeline would never get built with former Enron bigwigs at the helm of KM and filling Lieberal’s pockets.
    Huge sell-out of BC and laughing all the way to their off shore banks.
    http://www.nationalobserver.com/2016/11/14/analysis/how-scandal-plagued-company-gave-birth-kinder-morgan
    https://blog.forthecoast.ca/kinder-morgan-bc-approval-tainted-by-donations-suit-claims-410bd8cd9b03#.s2on3ga0g
    It’s all there in black and white.
    Vote accordingly or see more of your province given away with benefits to Crusty’s “family”.

  • 35 Crankypants // Feb 26, 2017 at 12:12 am

    I just the advertisement for the new and improved MSP rate and think it may be more partisan than informative. No where does the talking head mention that one must apply to get the reduction. It sure doesn’t seem to be good enough to warrant the $1 million boost in the advertising budget the government added on Tuesday.

    I wouldn’t put much stock into the latest poll. The BC Conservative Party got about a 10% rating. Not bad for a political party with no leader and no candidates according to their website. That alone should put the BC Liberal Party in the lead by 8 or 9 points.

  • 36 bMCQ // Feb 26, 2017 at 5:06 am

    Ron – 34

    Perhaps you would be kind enough to provide any evidence you have that B.C. liberals are “Being Paid Off” and or “Benefitting” from the Corporations mentioned.

    While you are at it please provide any evidence you have that Premier Clark and or her Family is “Being Paid Off” and or “Benefitting” from the Corporations mentioned.

    And while you are at it please provide us any information you have about the NDP Election Platform they plan to employ to win the “Very Soon” upcoming Provincial Election.

    No need to Post the entire NDP May Election Platform Document, just please simply and quickly Post the top 5 points of the same NDP Election Platform for the Posters, Readers, and Lurkers on the Harvey Blog to see.

    I am looking forward to your response to all of the questions I have posed.

  • 37 hawgwash // Feb 26, 2017 at 8:32 am

    Ron; don’t take the bait and spoon feed those too optically challenged to look for themselves.

    Most readers here know, one of the best sources for “who gives and what they get” is http://thebreaker.news/
    No shortage hard of evidence there.

    One large reason we get bad government is because lazy people ask others to tell them stuff without doing their own serious homework.

    I suppose I could be a tiny bit charitable here and maybe suggest just a couple of family names like Rennie and Aquiliny.

    Or, I might suggest a starter kit:

    • Diplomat Magazine
    • Beat the Press
    • The World in Transition
    • Economist’s View
    • BCVeritas.com
    • Paul Ramsey
    • A Closer Look: Jody Paterson
    • Rub Eyes, Shake Head
    • Keeping it Real…
    • MattBruenig | Politics
    • The Galloping Beaver
    • Rafe Mair Online
    • Understanding Society
    • Creekside
    • Michael Geist
    • DeSmogBlog
    • The Disaffected Lib
    • Robert Reich
    • Informed Comment
    • Morton’s Musings
    • BobMackin.ca
    • Rail for the Valley
    • BillMoyers.com
    • Blog Borg Collective
    • The Gazetteer
    • In-Sights
    • Mickleblog
    • Lawdiva’s Blog
    • Laila Yuile on people, politics and life in B.C.
    (Credit: In-Sights)

  • 38 nonconfidencevote // Feb 26, 2017 at 8:42 am

    @#36 bMCQ

    Asking a reader to provide “proof” of their accusations is somewhat disingenuous.
    The Politicians of today arent so stupid as to be caught with their finger in the cookie jar.
    They have assistants for that….
    a la Basi and Virk.
    Payments’ to politicians come in many forms.
    Govt favours to contributors, jobs promised at a later date, contracts dangled in front of prospective campaign contributors adding up to millions of dollars OR in Brian Mulroney’s case ….. a paper bag stuffed with cash…..ahhhh the good old days.
    But dont tar me with a socialist mop.
    I think the NDP are knee deep in their own pig sty as well and shovelling the “contribution manure” IN to improve their chances of winning….
    No.
    Rafe’s arguements are valid, Ron’s comments are believable and this isnt a Court of Law where verifiable proof is required.
    Its just a discussion.
    Pigs need wings to fly and I’m sure that in the past 16 years of Liberal rule enough money has been heaved onto the campaign bus to create and entire squadron of “Super Hornet” Oinkers…. but I have no proof…but to take a Holier than thou attitude because “there’s no proof” is an easy way out.
    Rumours, half truths and genuine News scoops fly around the internet.
    Thats why its so popular.
    If the Liberals lose this election, I for one predict Christy Clark will be tossed out or resign by summer and have a nice salaried directorship paying her hundreds of thousands per year with one to the many multinational companies that have obscenely benefitted from multi billion dollar Liberal mega projects that were unwanted by the voting public.
    Site C, Kinder Morgan, LNG,, BC Ferries German contracts…….take your pick.
    The list is endless.

    Sorry for the rant Harvey…that was an itch I had to scratch because my coffee hadnt perked yet.

  • 39 Lew // Feb 26, 2017 at 11:05 am

    @Ron: #33 and 34

    I know you like to keep things short in hopes that everyone can connect the obvious dots, but some just can’t keep up. You might have spelled out how the BC Liberals have received over $700K from companies directly related to the pipeline, and that Christy Clark personally benefitted from acceptance of over $300K directly from the BC Liberals during that time. Makes it easy for some of us to see the connection.

    https://dogwoodbc.ca/reasons-christy-clark-said-yes-kinder-morgan/

    You might also have pointed out that the term Christy’s “family” is a play on words to connect her election slogan “Families First” to her crony family, and that neither the NDP nor the BC Liberals have published an election platform yet. Although the NDP has revealed some general lines as indicated here:
    http://www.cknw.com/2017/02/25/278417/

  • 40 Jay Jones // Feb 26, 2017 at 2:03 pm

    Another season with no centrefielder huh?

    Bummer.

    Oh well, at least there is the next federal election for me to look forward to.

  • 41 Ron // Feb 26, 2017 at 3:36 pm

    bCMQ – 36: all I will tell you (sorry Lew) is watch the 2005 movie Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room, it’s all there in living colour!
    So much for spoon feeding….

  • 42 Ron Rachul // Feb 26, 2017 at 3:43 pm

    Also, most of the CEOs of Enron are now the players behind Kinder Morgan. Gas In Gas Out…..Off the book trickery being used by BC Hydro right now.
    Where’s the GAAP audit!!!!!!

  • 43 Guy in Vic // Feb 26, 2017 at 3:54 pm

    I really have to laugh at some of the comments, especially the ones that attack the NDP. Look at the very first comment. He/She say’s they might consider the NDP if they can show how they will implement It’s policies without raising taxes. The Liberals have increased taxes higher & faster than any previous government….. they just call it fees. We saw this week how all those fee increases like MDP, don’t actually fund health care but they also pay for the private photographer that follows Christy Clark all over the world. “Everybody in the room knows that MSP premiums don’t go to pay for healthcare, right? Anything more than school taxes go to pay for education or your income taxes go to pay for roads,” Clark said. “It all ends up in one big pot of money and we just happened to give it that name.”
    Now if the NDP suggested that John Horgan will also hire a private photographer, voters will jump & scream saying the NDP will not get my vote.
    How do these people think the services they receive today are paid for ? It’s with higher taxes disguised as fees. John Horgan can promise no tax increase and then turn around & raise fees to pay for his other promises and voters won’t mind because they won’t know.
    I wonder if the Liberals would have still cut MSP had the NDP not promised doing so in their election platform.
    In the 10-yrs the NDP were in power, BC’s debt grew by $17.4 billion. In 6 yrs under Premier Clark it’s grown by $21.5billion.
    Not once during the New Democrats’ tenure did British Columbia record negative economic growth.
    People need to educate themselves and stop buying the Liberal BS that comes from Christy Clark & her Liberal team.
    The sun will still rise in the east with an NDP government.

    (Response: It would be really interesting if the working media actually compiled all the tax/fee/ICBC/Hydro increases over the past few years …if there’s anyone left who can do that or can be given the time to do it. I would think the NDP might have a lot of that info already compiled …or should. h.o)

  • 44 Gene the Bean // Feb 26, 2017 at 4:19 pm

    Please re-read comments 37,38,39 and put your Pinocchio nose on and tell us again why the BC Lieberals deserve to govern ………

    Some days it is like we are teachers at pre school…..

  • 45 BMCQ // Feb 26, 2017 at 4:39 pm

    NonCon – 38

    First of all Basi, Virk and probably a few others should have served Jail Time and their Assets should have been depleted to pay Legal Fees.

    I fully accept that this is a discussion, I just find that far too often that the Public are far too quick to brand Politicians as Carpetbaggers regardless of Party.

    Those Politicians the public are so quick to vilify have friends and family and for so many people on this Blog and others to literally Label them Criminals, whichever they are, is just not acceptable to me.

    Look, I am not a huge CC Fan but in my opinion I feel the Clark Liberals are better than the alternative and contrary to many Mensa Members that Post here the Election results in May will reflect just that.

    When someone states that ANY Politician of ANY Party is lining their Pockets I believe someone like me is entitled to ask the question.

    I am not a Horgan Supporter but even if he became Premier I would not be accusing him of lining his personal pockets unless I had hard evidence. I stand by my questions.

    Do you believe it is fait to accuse the Premier, any Premier of lining their pockets or the pockets of their friends without any facts to back up the accusations?

    I may be very critical of PM Justin or what could one day be an NDP Premier but I would never think of accusing them of Criminal unless the evidence was very strong like in the case of Basi/Virk.

    Thanks for the lesson in fraud but I grew up with the two biggest Fraudsters and Drug Dealers in Vancouver and actually had a former Employee defraud me for just over $130K of which I was able to recover $115K. How do you think you would do recovering that?

    One day when we have Lunch I will tell you the story.

    I still believe RON should be a little more charitable when makes Accusations of actual criminality.

    I do not expect to hear from him any time soon.

    Several times On this Blog i have stared that we in Canada should enact Legislation that would limit Term Limits to 2 or 3 Terms. It would guarantee new blood, fresh ideas, and it might assist in doing away with a certain sense of entitlement that too many Politicians of ALL Parties have when they become too comfortable with their Snouts too Deep in the Public Trough!

    Hang – 37

    You seem to enjoy insulting me every time you see an opportunity. Does it make you feel better?

    How many times have I personally insulted you since my first post here in July of 2014?

    (Response: Are we adults here? Let’s all keep personal reference/insults out. h.o)

  • 46 BMCQ // Feb 26, 2017 at 5:03 pm

    Harvey

    You wait until I challenge someone that insults me on a regular basis for a year or more and then you scold me for making personal references?

    Really?

    (Response: With so many comments these days, I thought I had missed a recent personal remark …so looked for something lately from someone called Hang ..and did not find anything, so issued a general request…not just to you. If it has been going on for a year or more… from someone called Hang, you should have brought it to my attention much earlier. h.o)

  • 47 Lew // Feb 26, 2017 at 5:31 pm

    From the Statement of Facts filed in the Supreme Court of British Columbia October 18, 2010.

    “13. With respect to count 10 in the Indictment and in relation to the Port Subdivision bidding process, the RCMP seized a number of documents from Bruce Clark’s office and residence, which Basi and Virk disclosed to Bruce Clark between January 1, 2003 and December 28, 2003…”

    “Count 10
    Udhe Singh (Dave) Basi and Bobby Singh Virk, between the 1st day of January, 2003 and the 28th day of December, 2003, at or near Victoria, or elsewhere in the Province of British Columbia, did by deceit, falsehood or other fraudulent means, defraud (1) Macquarie North America Ltd. And OmniTrax Inc., (2) a consortium which included Canadian National Railway Company, Canadian Pacific Railway and the Vancouver Port Authority, (3) TD Securities Inc., and (4) the Government of British Columbia, of an amount exceeding $5,000, by recklessly putting at risk the bidding process for the Port Subdivision of BC Rail in disclosing to interested third parties confidential government documents and confidential government information including Cabinet confidences, contrary to Section (1)(a) of the Criminal Code.”

    Bruce Clark is Christy’s brother. Family. Why in the world would Basi and Virk feel comfortable illegally handing him documents and cabinet confidences when they knew Christy was Deputy Premier and a member of that cabinet?

    (Response: I almost deleted this comment as being off topic. But then I thought it could actually be pertinent to the election: because if NDP supporters believe rehashing the Basi Virk case will WIN the next election …they are in for another disappointment. Guaranteed. h.o)

  • 48 Ron R // Feb 26, 2017 at 10:25 pm

    Thank you to Tom Hardy for the following facts.

    “The myth: “There was an exodus of business from B.C.” in the 90′s.
    Fact: Businesses did not flee nor did they take residents with them. Population growth in B.C. in that decade was 210,000 higher than in the 2000s. During that decade, BC was the top in Canada in the number of new small businesses created. Both union and non-union workers had the highest or second highest hourly wages in the country.

    Another myth: “The NDP stifled economic growth.”
    Fact: B.C.’s growth rate was higher in the 1990′s than in the 2000′s. 3% to 2%. Corporate profits tripled during this decade under the NDP government.

    Myth: “The NDP ruined B.C.’s finances.”
    Fact: NDP handed the BC Liberals a surplus of $1.5-billion in 2001. It was their third balanced budget in row. The BC Liberals have had four budget deficits in a row.

    Myth: “Business floundered in the 1990s.”
    Fact: employment in manufacturing grew by 1.6% per year while it fell .5% per year in the 2000s; ’90s job creation averaged 2.7% per year versus 1.7% per year in the next decade.

    The financial disaster occurred in the 2000′s as tax cuts benefiting the wealthy have caused B.C. to increase its debt from $30 billion to $67 billion in just 15 years. 25% of that new debt was accrued in 4 years by Christy Clark.

    People bring up the Fast Ferries which the Liberals sold for less than market value. The Liberals just spent $15million updating the “The Queen of Chilliwack” and sold it to an insider for less than $2 million. They also sold the land on Burke Mountain for $43 million less than its market value to a developer who was also a contributor to the BC Liberal party. “

  • 49 Ron R // Feb 26, 2017 at 10:27 pm

    From Mike Smyth’s column in the province February 22, 2017

    Thank you to Tom Hardy for the following facts.

    “The myth: “There was an exodus of business from B.C.” in the 90′s.
    Fact: Businesses did not flee nor did they take residents with them. Population growth in B.C. in that decade was 210,000 higher than in the 2000s. During that decade, BC was the top in Canada in the number of new small businesses created. Both union and non-union workers had the highest or second highest hourly wages in the country.

    Another myth: “The NDP stifled economic growth.”
    Fact: B.C.’s growth rate was higher in the 1990′s than in the 2000′s. 3% to 2%. Corporate profits tripled during this decade under the NDP government.

    Myth: “The NDP ruined B.C.’s finances.”
    Fact: NDP handed the BC Liberals a surplus of $1.5-billion in 2001. It was their third balanced budget in row. The BC Liberals have had four budget deficits in a row.

    Myth: “Business floundered in the 1990s.”
    Fact: employment in manufacturing grew by 1.6% per year while it fell .5% per year in the 2000s; ’90s job creation averaged 2.7% per year versus 1.7% per year in the next decade.

    The financial disaster occurred in the 2000′s as tax cuts benefiting the wealthy have caused B.C. to increase its debt from $30 billion to $67 billion in just 15 years. 25% of that new debt was accrued in 4 years by Christy Clark.

    People bring up the Fast Ferries which the Liberals sold for less than market value. The Liberals just spent $15million updating the “The Queen of Chilliwack” and sold it to an insider for less than $2 million. They also sold the land on Burke Mountain for $43 million less than its market value to a developer who was also a contributor to the BC Liberal party. “

  • 50 Lew // Feb 26, 2017 at 10:47 pm

    “Let’s hope the NDP do NOT forget: the BC Rail selloff scandal story is not yet fully told.
    And the government must not be allowed to pretend it is.”
    -Harv Oberfeld

    http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/full-bc-rail-story-not-yet-told/

    (Response: Yes don’t let them forget it….but don’t expect voters to care very much. Sad but real. Ho)

    Yes indeed.

  • 51 RS // Feb 27, 2017 at 8:35 am

    Competent fiscal management?

    https://in-sights.ca/2017/02/26/pull-down-the-veil-of-lies/

  • 52 BMCQ // Feb 27, 2017 at 8:55 am

    Ron – 49

    Before you Nail the BCL Government to the Cross you might want to keep in mind that there was a World Wide Economic Collapse that began to take place in the year 2007. When it actually began and who is actually responsible is not important here.

    The Economic Collapse had a very dramatic affect on ALL World Countries, especially the U.S.

    Canada and in fact B.C. fared much better than almost every other World Country and Province/State.

    Our Housing Prices even held up quite well considering what happened in other jurisdictions.

    The World Economic Collapse had an effect on Canadian Tourism, Commodities Exports, and many other sectors but Canada and especially B.C. did very well.

    In my own personal case my Company suffered Export Loss of a substantial Amount. How about you?

    Did you do with less so you could manage to keep EVERY SINGLE Valued Employee on the Payroll so they could continue to support their Family?

    Did you continue to pay FULL MSP for any one at all?

    As to the B.C. Debt?

    Unlike Ontario where Debt came from Bigger government Programs and Government Waste much of our B.C. Long Term Debt came from things like

    2010 Olympics
    Canada Line
    Evergreen Line,
    B.C. Place – New Stadium
    Whistler Legacy Infrastructure
    Cypress Legacy Inf
    Richmond Oval
    QE Park Legacy Inf
    Port Mann Bridge
    Golden Eagles Bridge
    Hwy 1 Expansion
    Sea to Sky

    FYI – As Lew will point out many of those were initiatives of the former NDP Government.

    Now just which of these well worth while Projects would you choose to do away with?

    As to your uninformed unsubstantiated attack against People of Wealth that may have received a reduction in Personal Provincial Income Tax?

    Are you even aware what B.C.Personal Income Tax amounts to?

    Just how much was it reduced and was it just for Wealthy Individuals?

    No doubt Governments of all Brands make mistakes and in my opinion Government should never negotiate their own Infrastructure Contracts as they never go well whichever Party is in Power.

    We all need to hold Municipal, Provincial, and our Federal Governments to Account.

    Bigger Government Creep, Government Waste Unsustainable Employee Contracts and Benefits, and a Bloated Bureaucracy at all three Levels are perhaps the second Biggest threat that faces hard working and Tax Paying Canadians going forward.

    I believe Canada’s Biggest Threat/Danger going into the future will come from our obviously inability and or lack of Leadership to deal with the soon Tsunami of Undocumented People coming into Canada from various World Countries, but especially those that will cross into Canada from the U.S.

  • 53 Guy in Vic // Feb 27, 2017 at 4:22 pm

    Has anyone else noticed that those who like to rant against the NDP need to make numerous posts to get their message across ?
    And it also seems they’re losing sleep because the NDP hasn’t released it’s platform yet. Go figure.

  • 54 BMCQ // Feb 28, 2017 at 9:56 am

    Guy in Vic – 53

    On this Thread

    BMCQ – 6 Posts

    Lew NDP Supporter – 6 Posts

    Hawgwash NDP Supporter – 3 Posts

    Other than that about 80% of the Posters are NDP Supporters and the remaining 20% are BCL Supporters.

    Don’t you think the NDP should at least offer their own Platform or something that might resemble a Shadow Provincial Budget?

    How about a thoughtful and fact based critique of the Liberal Budget?

    After all is the Provincial Election not scheduled for early May, only several weeks away?

    Is John Horgan even in B.C.?

    The way you and other NDP Supporters put it there is an abundance of “Damning Information” to use against the B.C. Liberals, why are Horgan and his Minions not giving you something to cheer for?

    Please send my best regards to Canada’s Greatest Mayor Lisa Helps!

  • 55 BMCQ // Mar 1, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    Guy in Vic – 53

    Are you aware that B.C. Iron Workers Union President Don Parton has announced the Union has endorsed and will support the B.C. Liberal Party in the upcoming Provincial Election?

    Any commentary from YOU or any other NDP Supporter on this Blog?

    Don’t you think that might be somewhat problematic for John Horgan and his Minions?

  • 56 13 // Mar 3, 2017 at 7:40 am

    On the news re the iron workers union endorsing the BC Liberals.

    The news reader stated that the NDP are NOT concerned with the loss of private sector union support. The reason that the NDP dont give a damn about the private sector…..the amount of support they get from the enormous amount of public sector workers.
    Remember that every public sector member has the same boss. THE TAX PAYER. Yes you and me. I know that when I see the deduction portion of my paycheck I think how much I need to work so that I can support a bloated bureaucracy, defined pension plans, endless benefits sick days etc. No wonder the NDP dont care about the private sector workers.

  • 57 Lew // Mar 4, 2017 at 4:51 pm

    Iron Workers Local 97 quit donating to the NDP just after the last election, despite contributing regularly and exclusively to the NDP for many years. It then started donating to the BC Liberals.

    It’s clear the decision was made four years ago, and held for maximum impact (including a public kiss from Christy shamefully campaigning in the Legislature) until just before this election. Strategic dirty pool coordinated with the BC Liberals.

    “How do I go to my members and say I need you to support the NDP when they are against everything the ironworker stands for?” says its business manager.

    I wonder if he realizes that means by his own implication he’s saying his members stand for the BC Liberals’ record on poverty rates, deaths of children in care, improper firing of employees leading to at least one suicide, massive debt, assaults on public education that have to be reined in by the Supreme Court, serial lies to the public, the many atrocious and illegal facets of BC Rail, etc. etc. etc.? He and his members are in bed with a nasty piece of business.

    He’s quoted as saying of the coming massive boondoggle bridge to replace the Massey Tunnel, “That’s our [Local 97] bridge.” Really?

  • 58 BMCQ // Mar 5, 2017 at 3:21 pm

    Lew – 57

    I will not go into detail about why and should they, the new Bridge etc but in looking back I must in all honesty admit that the Union Leader over acted his roll in the story/announcement.

    I would not blame Mr. Horgan for trotting out a Business Leader that he thought would assist in winning an Election and unlike you I will not blame Clark, as Political Leaders in a Campaign or not it is their responsibility to WIN by any Legal way possible.

    Can’t quite describe how I felt I believe the Union Leader looked very staged and his message seemed Staged and Disengenuous.

  • 59 Lew // Mar 5, 2017 at 4:10 pm

    Some good advice here for John Horgan from Martyn Brown.

    http://www.straight.com/news/877366/martyn-brown-whose-side-john-horgan

  • 60 BMCQ // Mar 6, 2017 at 6:31 am

    I should clarify.

    I do not blame any Blue Collar Union Workers and their Unions/Union Leaders abandoning the Provincial or Federal NDP Parties.

    After all the NDP Party have certainly abandoned Blue Collar Workers!!

    I also do not blame the BCL Party for pointing the fact out that they have managed to secure support from Unions Union Workers or Non Union Workers and Groups.

    As do I not blame Mr. Horgan and his NDP parading out any Business Groups that might support them.

    That is all Fair Play, especially during an Election Campaign.

    Even though I originally pointed out the Ironworkers were supporting the /BCL Party I still thought the Union President looked and sounded rather awkward.

  • 61 r // Mar 10, 2017 at 6:09 pm

    http://dougdonaldson.ca/victoria/detail/doug_in_qp_re_telkwa_water_tower_and_government_advertising1

    “taxpayer-funded propaganda from the B.C. Liberals but not for a water tower for Telkwa”