BC Needs a NEW Free Enterprise Socially “Liberal” Party

The real message from the provincial election … like it or not … is that NDP in BC is a spent provincial political force, with a Best-Before date that has expired.

The massive defeat of the party at the hands of such an inept, disliked, scandal-plagued, ethically-challenged and, frankly, fiscally mismanaged Liberal government shows that BC voters just don’t want the NDP as the alternative.

The party’s old guard will blame everyone else: the pollsters, the media, the strategists, the campaign etc.

But the TRUTH is the public just didn’t buy into the NDP philosophy and policies that oppose almost every resource project now on the table … and even some not yet on the table.  The public said “NO” to the NDP party’s “No”, “No”, “No”  stance on so many job and royalty-rich possibilities.

BC has changed over the past 20 years: a new generation of voters …  educated, high-tech savvy and more upwardly mobile  free-enterprisers … are now in control, and growing in numbers and voting power  every year.

But the NDP has not.

The province’s aging socialists, unionists, social reform activists and environmental militants are out of touch with BC reality and are dying off both politically and literally ….  being surpassed by the growth of, frankly, self-centered,  free enterprisers and  younger families motivated by jobs, money and personal economic security …not the wider issues of social justice, First Nations settlements and community solidarity to help the poor, seniors etc.

It sounds terrible,  I know,  and runs against many of my own sympathies …but let’s keep it real.

BC has not only changed in terms of age, urbanization, employment and non-union demography, but attitudinally, motivationally and politically.

And ethnically and culturally as well.

Judging by the election results BC’s now-huge Asian community is now a major political force in the province  … and are quite apparently heavily fiscal free-enterprisers and social conservatives, rather than being sympathetic to even mildly “socialist” policies.  Remember the word “socialist” represents, to many, societies that they, or their parents and grandparents, fled.

In fact, a friend of mine, who was born in China and is quite up-to-speed with issues and attitudes in BC’s Chinese community, believes he knows WHY all those political polls were so wrong: they FAILED to adequately capture and reflect the voting intentions of large numbers of Asian (especially Chinese) voters.

Why? Chinese are culturally very private people  … most of them business-orientated free enterprisers who don’t respond to polls …especially phone calls at home asking political questions.

But they vote … and in urban areas may have turned out to be the Liberals’ secret weapon (despite ethnogate).

So what happens now?

Many British Columbians held their noses and voted Liberal.  They WANTED an alternative, but not the NDP.  And certainly not the Greens or the Conservatives.

What BC needs now is a free-enterprise but socially-liberal alternative to the BC Liberal Party.

The Conservatives, with their fiscally right-wing economic policies and conservative social attitudes don’t appeal to most; and the Greens are too far out left for too many.

The NDP is no doubt held too much in a stranglehold  by its left-wing ideologues to become a seriously free-enterprise party … SUPPORTING resource development projects, Site C dam,  mining and certainly not pipelines (even with state-of-the-art environmental protection).

Even though the voters have shown they WANT those jobs, those revenues, those projects to help secure BC’s economic future.

In fact, the NDP may even go the other way … trying to coalesce with the Greens. That, on paper, may look good: combining NDP and Green votes could have resulted in a far different election result.

But politics doesn’t work that way …. an NDP/Green coalition or unification would push away MANY of those who did vote NDP this time, but who regard the Greens as far too left …even wacky.

BC is ready for a new free-enterprise party … one that offers an alternative to the Liberals, without going further to the right.

Harv Oberfeld

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58 Responses to BC Needs a NEW Free Enterprise Socially “Liberal” Party

  1. Hugh says:

    I’ve been voting NDP for the last several elections. I see myself as very conservative, though. The huge BC debt that has been racked up really bugs me. I think it will ultimately sink us.

    I see small businesses as the main driver of the economy – that’s where most of the jobs are, I believe. They should be encouraged.

    I think the idea of economic growth is old hat, especially with energy becoming more expensive and difficult. Land, soil, air and water also have limits.

    I’d be in favour of a party which embraced de-growth, supported local, small, viable industries and agriculture, and got rid of the crippling debt burden. We need to get away from the ridiculous Ponzi-Growth economic system.

    (Response: Well, I’m sure many NDPers agree with you, especially those over 50 … but clearly these ideas DO NOT SELL with younger people looking for resource jobs, those in most interior and northern communities or families under 50. Just look at the map of election results. h.o)

  2. 13 says:

    Harvey, I agree that the NDP has problems but I think they are a bit different than youve outlined. I think that the NDP were relevant when they were the voice for working people in BC. Unions both public and private sector and non union workers. I supported the NDP for many years as a trade unionist it felt like the right thing to do. Then it seemed that the NDP changed to try to be more mainstream. They seemed to be the party of the public sector unions far more than the private sector. The certainly didnt have any green ideas back then as most green intitiatives do not lend themselves to union support. (PRIVATE sector unions need to burn log pave ship build mine etc. )

    I think that the NDP should refocus on BC Workers and forget the green stuff. Leave the tree huggers to support their own party. Look beyond the BCGEU CUPE BCTF. Remember that the Teamsters the CAW and a host of other private sector unions need help. They need a government that is willing and able to change laws so that truckers make a decent living again. They need to focus on workers rights to organize, strike ,secondary pickets, anti scab. They need to stand up to the Port of Vancouver and all other tyranical companies. They need to say yes to all projects that will employ BC workers. ALL OF THEM even piplines and tankers.

    (Response: We may not be that far apart …because a party that focuses on workers and jobs has to support, in BC, a lot of resource sector jobs, not just LNG. But as I wrote at the beginning of May “NDP POLICIES GIVE LIBERALS NEW HOPE” and I said “The NDP is the party of “NO” say the new Liberal ads … exploiting NDP positions on several projects: “NO” to Kinder Morgan; “NO” to Enbridge: “NO” to coastal tanker traffic; “NO” to expanded West coast coal exports; “NO” to the Prosperity gold copper mine in the Cariboo: “NO” to BC Hydro’s Site “C” dam; “NO” to Jumbo Glacier Resort; and possibly “NO’ to fracking.

    The Liberals are the party of “YES, their new ads say: “YES” to development: “YES” to jobs; “YES” to lower taxes etc. … all aimed at exactly the voters I pointed to recently as the only ones who really count: the undecided.”
    Turns out that’s what the voters believed …. and you can’t win working class votes or young families votes or small or large business votes by saying “No” to just about everything that provides jobs, revenues, royalties etc. But their old guard … people already retired or with government or union job security haven’t kept it real …and have now paid a heavy price for that. h.o)

  3. ron wilton says:

    I believe in all provinces other than BC that the provincial parties are closely aligned with their federal counterparts.

    The BC Liberals are clearly more ideologically aligned with the federal Conservatives and in name only with the federal Liberals.

    I suspect a good number of provincial Liberal voters think they are the same and the provincials benefit from that misapprehension by getting votes that they would not deserve in other provinces.

    Perhaps if the federal Liberal party had some way of protecting their national identity from ‘Liberal in name only’ pretenders, and ensuring that when we vote Liberal, we get Liberal, then we in BC would have a more centrist option than the extremes we now are suffering from.

    (Response: The BC Liberals are not liberals. They are a coalition of free-enterprisers, too BIG BUSINESS orientated and with some very right wing social policy thinkers. We really could use a free-enterprise socially liberal alternative. h.o)

  4. Kreditanstalt says:

    Couldn’t agree more!

    But…”free enterprise” AND “socially liberal”? Not too easy to find such a beast. And “social liberalism” is now perilously close to “democratic” socialism. Obsessed with “equality” and “fairness”, it practically necessitates spending and taxing more and more to achieve social goals.

    Don’t we wish W.A.C. was back…

    I’d rather see “free enterprise” and “socially libertarian”!

    (Response: Well, almost hate to mention it, but before the federal Liberals corrupted themselves they actually used to be that way … back in the 60s and 70s … free enterprisers but with some very advanced social thinking policies. And they were elected and re-elected many times: someone in BC should learn from that. h.o)

  5. D. M. Johnston says:

    I have posted the same idea many times this week on various blogs – the NDP are a yesterday’s political party, fighting yesterday’s political fights and has little relevance in today’s world.

    Dix was the wrong man, supported by the party hierarchy which has absolutely no inkling on today’s problems. It reminds me of the French military at the beginning of the Second World War, where the Germans excelled in swift movement and good communications, the French supreme commander sequestered himself in a villa and received dispatches from dispatch riders twice a day.

    Despite having superior arms and numbers of men, the French were liquidated in a week or so, by superior leadership and novel battlefield planning. The French never really understood what happened and blamed everyone but themselves for the debacle.

    I see the NDP in the same sort of denial, unwilling or unable to understand the lessons of the disastrous loss.

    If Dix doesn’t resign soon and continues his lame duck ways, the seeds for electoral failure in 2017 have already been sown.

    To survive, the NDP must be willing to change with the times, which from what I see, the NDP are unwilling to do.

    (Response: I don’t blame Dix or the campaign. The voters, even if some NDP supporters hate the truth, chose RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT and JOBS over the NDP stance against Kinder, against Enbridge, against site C dam, against coastal traffic, etc. Now we just have to hope and push for any of it, if done, to be carried out with STRONG environmental controls. h.o)

  6. G. Barry Stewart says:

    What the party could use is a snappy new name, such as the “Socially Tolerant Democrats.”

    STD! That could spread like a… er… oh, forget it.

  7. StandUpforBC says:

    I used to vote NDP but stopped when I saw that they were not interested in helping ordinary citizens, only looking to support unions. Not everyone works in a union, and we need governments who will look after all of us, not just unions.

    The NDP are not socially-conscious, they’re just conscious of their own. That’s why I couldn’t vote for them. Couldn’t vote for the Libs or others either. Independents are the only way to get us off these blood-sucking political parties. It’s killing us.

    (Response: I’m a union supporter and believe BC’s underpaid workers in some sectors would benefit from unionization. But the NDP campaign seemed to focus on the poor, seniors, First Nations, skills training, health and education spending (which I personally agreed with) BUT failed to do enough to endorse or advocate major free-enterprise job creation projects and ideas …and that’s what did them in and will continue to do in with the modern voter. h.o)

  8. Gini says:

    I don’t see the NDP as the “No” party at all. They’re simply saying ‘no’ to bitumen pipelines and for good reason. The multinational oil companies have to realize that nobody, whether they be in the south, north, east or west, will allow bitumen pipelines to cross their waterways. The oil companies continue to blubber about how much it costs them to upgrade to crude, but those are crocodile tears. We all know of the insane profits they reap, all while being subsidized by our federal government.

    As far as the Site C dam is concerned, what exactly do we need it for? It certainly isn’t needed for domestic energy. It’s needed by the fracking industry, and that hasn’t even been proven to be environmentally sound as yet.

    The LNG projects are simply another BC Liberal pipe-dream. Why would China want to pay a premium to have natural gas shipped all the way from Canada when they’ve already signed contracts with Russia to have it piped in from there? Besides, China is sitting on massive reserves of natural gas, just waiting to be extracted, or so I’ve read.

    In regards to mining, the NDP is not averse to all mining; they simply want the mining companies to be environmentally responsible. We read in the news all the time of shoddy Canadian mining practices in South America. It’s embarrassing to hear about the lawsuits being filed by injured parties down there.

    What’s so wrong with wanting our governments and industry to invest in renewable energy projects instead of the extraction of fossil fuels? Why must we sell everything we own for short term gain, refusing to acknowledge the long term pain? If the Latin American countries, led by Mexico, can invest billions of dollars in renewable energy projects, shouldn’t we be at least as progressive as those countries that we seem to feel superior to all the time?

    No, I don’t think the NDP has to morph into something more ‘socially acceptable’, or however you want to phrase it. I think all they need is another dynamic leader like Dave Barrett or Jack Layton to stand up for people against bullies like Christy Clark and her corrupt party.

    (Response: Clearly the voters did NOT see things as you do. The Liberals …despite their dismal record and scandals etc… not only won the election, but now have MORE seats and the NDP has less. And that huge Liberal swath in the centre of the map, from the US border all the way up north, did not see the NDP as resource job friendly. h.o)

  9. Gini says:

    Well, I guess that was my point, Harv. Being ‘resource job friendly’ is not necessarily being ‘B.C.’, or even ‘planet friendly’.

    I live in that ‘swath in the centre of the map’ and believe me, we’re not all greedy, self-absorbed people here. Some of us actually care about our province, our country, and our planet.

    And we’re not all old hippies singing ‘Kumbaya’ around the campfire as Christy’s clowns like to portray us, either. Some of us have actually invested our own money in renewable energy projects, only to find that in order to receive any tax incentives from government, we must relocate to Washington State, where the government is more receptive to solar panel manufacturing, etc.

    (Response: Of course not “all” fit the description you outline: but clearly MORE lean towards the Liberal party’s fiscal and development plan than the vision you (and I) might prefer. h.o)

  10. 13 says:

    ” Im a union supporter and believe BCs underpaid workers would benefit from unionization”.Your right Harvey BUT and its a big but these underpaid nonunion workers are very hard (impossible) to organize. Ive been on a couple of organizing drives in the trucking industry by a couple of different unions. Very hard to organize and almost impossible to keep together once you manage to get a company signed up. The company owners are very adept at extortion bribery and they convince the workers to undecut the union rates in order to get more of the work. As these are port trucking companies the port always promises to help control the rate cutting. The port never keeps the promise and simply tosses another “port pass or port license or port user agreement into the mix. So without boreing everyone to tears this is where labour friendly governments come in. Someone needs to take the port to court and sue them into the stone age. The private sector unions are unwilling to do this BUT a provincial and federal NDP gov. could enact laws to force the port and other private sector employers to stop meddeling in private sector contracts. They could force the port to keep promises to ensure ALL trucking companies pay fair negotiatede rates.

  11. chuckstraight says:

    If there actually was a “fair method of voting, the 52% that voted would have had 34 NDP, 37 Liberals 7 Green and a couple Independents, or something like that. We have a federal government that has the same percentage that the NDP received.
    The NDP does have issues, but it is the system that is flawed, as well as the 48% that did not vote.

  12. Qwerty says:

    Harvey you forgot to mention the NDPs problem with the newly elected MLAs they have. A lot of it possibly due to their version of affirmative action with regard to female candidates.

    Are people like Eby or this Shin woman from burnaby really the new breed of MLA the NDP want to parade in front of voters. One an S disturber and the other someone who admittedly says she wasn’t prepared for politics.

    The one possible bright light they had towards the MS voter Trasolini lost.

    (Response: The party’s problems with the voters, though, go well beyond personalities. Today’s voters are much different from those of the 80s or 90s in demographic and economic and motivational terms … and the NDP’s social activist supporter types are either aging and dying off or are simply not replenishing at the same rate as the free-enterprisers who WANT resource development, dams, and yes, even pipelines if they can produce jobs, royalties and economic spinoffs, if adequate environmental protection is included. h.o)

  13. Eric says:

    Bit of a failure to communicate, there’s nothing wrong with being polite.

  14. psuperdave says:

    Heh. I remember during the NDP convention when it came down to the final three – Farnworth, Horgan and Dix – thinking that it’d be either Farnworth or Horgan; no way the NDP would be stupid enough to vote in Dix with his baggage (apparently I was wrong :P). I shook my head and didn’t renew by membership – and here’s the NDP’s problem: until they can shake off the bugbear of their political record of the 90’s AND offer the voters of BC something concrete and positive in terms of an accountable platform (other than “No”) they will NEVER earn the trust of the electorate. I voted NDP this election because I like and trusted my MLA (Farnworth), but their inability to hold the BC Liberals accountable during the election (and it’s not like the Libs didn’t give them cartloads of ammunition) did a lot to affect public opinion (and my own). Are they a spent force? Not entirely, but until they look past courting the labor, environmental and youth vote primarily they won’t secure anything other than Opposition.

    Political campaigns are won in the middle of the battlefield, not along the fringes… and they’re fought tooth-and-nail, not merely discussed. They should have learned from Bob Skelly’s example in 1986!

    (Response: Well, I wrote at the timer that I thought Farnworth would be the better choice… but I don’t think it would have made a difference unless the NDP had a whole different attitude towards MAJOR resource development and those projects so many of them hate. That’s their biggest problem…the voters rejected their ideology and policies…not just their personalities. h.o)

  15. DBW says:

    I am not disagreeing with anything anybody has said because I really don’t know. But I have a couple of comments.

    The sad part about this election is not that the NDP lost but that the Liberals won. A party that, based on its record, didn’t deserve to come anywhere close to forming even an opposition has now been given a mandate to do whatever they want for the next four years. I don’t care about the NDP and what they coulda, shoulda, woulda done. The fact of the matter is that the Liberals with a campaign full of lies, misinformation, and a dream, if not a fantasy, of far in the future prosperity won because in the eyes of the voters there was no viable alternative.

    We can quibble about whether the Liberals won or the NDP lost. It doesn’t matter. Democracy got kicked in the teeth. And yes I know the voters have spoken but it is truly sad that our elections are nothing more than a shell game and the ball isn’t there anymore.

    And because of our system we have governments with supposed mandates to act on anything they want to do. So the Liberals now feel they can grow the economy the way they want which hopefully works out well but let’s face it. As much as they say they will guarantee jobs etc. the big corporations that they rely on are not out there for the benefit of us peasants. If they could hire squirrels to do the job, they would hire squirrels.

    So how does society respond. In the only way they know how. They protest. And we get respectable people like Rafe Mair saying today,
    “What it will mean — and, yes, I’ll spit it out — is protests leading to civil disobedience. Even more weight will be placed on the shoulders of First Nations.” which is somewhat tamer from what he said last week. “I’m truly sad to say that the industrial/government coalition brings clearly into focus civil disobedience. In the shorter term the environmentalists must gird up their loins, get back on their chargers and fight the bastards any way we can.”

    The Occupy Movement, Idle No More, the Quebec students however we feel about them were not without some justification. A lot of people seem to think that street protest if not more effective is at least more satisfying than the ballot box.

    I am not yet where Rafe is, and I am not trying to be alarmist, in fact, I still prefer the ballot box, but if the Liberals think they have a mandate to push any pet project regardless, it might get ugly.

    (Response: Yes, it does boggle the mind that the Liberals, with their record over the past two or ten years, would not only win but INCREASE their majority. But I don’t think we can call that a kick in the teeth of democracy: the people spoke …it was democratic, even if many of us were amazed and many, many were disappointed. h.o)

  16. Laura says:

    Harvey, I don’t believe you’re keeping it real. Where’s the evidence that BC’s younger voters support “free enterprise” parties and the old-timers support the NDP?

    Because that’s the opposite of what pollsters and even exit polls tell us. they tell us its the old-timers that support the BC Libs whereas people with kids and mortgages tend to support the NDP.

    (Response: I’m sure the parties will ne analysing the voting results in GREAT detail, but virtually everyone I talked to from younger couples or who is still of working age or going to university expressed FEAR about how the NDP would hurt the economy and harm their job future. And almost every senior (except a few fairly wealthy) believed the NDP would do more for them in terms of tax relief, health care, home care, restricting ferry fare increases etc. And judging by that huge Liberal swath in the centre of the province, sure seems to me like people in or around the resource sector, still working or soon getting into the labour force, overwhelmingly saw the Libs as their best choice. h.o)

  17. R says:

    Social credit
    At least there’s a popular business word in the title that being credit.

    (Response: I don’t recall seeing much of William Eberhart in ASlberta, a REAL Social Crediter, but used to enjoy watching Real Caouette on tv in Quebec explaining how it could work. But then again, I also always enjoyed that Professor Backwards on the Ed Sullivan show! h.o)

  18. Laura says:

    Fair enough Harv, but that’s anecdotal whereas the pollsters all agreed on the Liberal strength being mainly concentrated among older voters and the NDP strength is concentrated among under 55s, especially under 35s where they hold a big lead over the Libs and Greens.

    Not that one should completely discount anecdotal evidence.

    My own anecdotal evidence is that I have one daughter in high school who told me her class’ mock election saw the NDP win in a landslide. And that’s in Rich Coleman’s riding. Not exactly an NDP stronghold. My oldest daughter says her friends although very entreprenurial, are not interested in factory or resource sector jobs. They’re all wanting to start or work for companies to do with art, social networks, environmental, etc. And her circle is a mix but generally NDP and Green.

    The problem for the NDP, and pollsters mention this, is that under 55s are less likely to show up to vote.

    (Response: LOL! Well, I’m not sure we should trust anything the “pollsters” say about BC politics for quite a while! As for your daughter and her friends …it has always been that those orientated towards the arts, the environment, social networking will favour more liberal and left leaning causes and policies. But quite apparently, those leaning towards business, economics, high-tech, blue collar careers, along with construction, resource development etc. generally lean a little more right….not necessarily on everything, but clearly where it counted election night. And I’d bet there are more in the industry and skills faculties these days (or just heading out to work in industry, sales, business etc.) than are pursuing the arts. h.o)

  19. DBW says:

    I am interested in what Laura said about young voters. In 2009, 34% of people under 35 voted compared to 72% of those over 55. That doesn’t necessarily tell us how they voted but it sure tells us how people feel about the process. Given my anecdotal experience that trend will stay the same if not worsen.

    I had a lot of people my age tell me they were voting Liberal for their grandchildren.

    My daughter who is as apolitical as one can get, laughed at her partner because he was voting Liberal because “of what the NDP did in the ’90s”. Apolitical as she may be, she is smart enough to realize that he was born in the ’90s, doesn’t follow politics either and was only listening to the comments of those around him.

    My son who is more politically aware than my daughter didn’t vote and when I asked him why he said that there was no point, that political parties were not interested in anything more than helping themselves and their friends.

    Perhaps cynical but that might explain why young people don’t vote. Which gets me back to my democracy being kicked in the teeth comment.

    I realize that we all had a chance to vote and the process went ahead as normal. But if people are choosing between corruption and incompetence than the system is broken. And that might be why people take to the streets and people like Rafe Mair – Rafe Mair for god’s sake – make call to arms statements like “fight the bastards anyway we can”.

    Like I said Harv, I am still a fan of the ballot box, but until we find that other option, I am not sure what will happen. How the government handles the teachers – will they actually impose a 10 year deal? Do they have a mandate to impose a 10 year deal? – and what they finally decide about Enbridge, will go along way in letting us know how the future will unfold.

    (Response: Well, anyone who has read what I said …for years…about the un-elected premier and her unmandated government, not to mention , but let’s, BC rail and a plethora of other dubious and arrogant actions will know how disappointed I was with how the voters chose. Yes, people can get mad, denounce the system or not vote…but that will NOT change the system one iota. What is needed are not excuses for the NDP losing …but a realization that, if they couldn’t beat THAT Liberal government, their brand is NOT selling … not because of the leader or the campaign style, but because of the CONTENT of their policies and attitudes about resource development. What BC needs is a free-enterprise alternative to the Libs…but not the socially backward Conservatives, who will NEVER catch on with MOST young people who do care and who do vote. h.o)

  20. Laura says:

    harv, you’ve already given me two kicks at the can but you said we can’t trust pollsters. I think its more likely that the pollsters are right, that non-voters, mainly younger voters, tend towards the NDP and that voters, older people, tend to vote Liberal.

    That simple explanation would explain a lot would it not? Because otherwise we have to believe that all the pollsters are suddenly bad at polling.

    (Response: You may be confusing young URBAN voters with ALL young voters: the NDP may be more “in” with the young in urban BC…but looking at the results, there just aren’t enough Seniors in the entire centre of the province to hand almost ALL of it to the Liberals. Had to come from somewhere …and I believe the Lib got their massive support there from business people, blue collar workers, young families concerned about the economy and young adults holding, looking for or seeking jobs. h.o)

  21. Rick says:

    I don’t believe that we would rather have the lieberals than the ndp or that the ndp is finished as a party. i do believe that Horgan would not have permitted the lieberals to go through a campaign without letting the voters know of the lieberals record. Dix was the one and only reason the lieberals are where they are today. If negative campaigning is not challenged with facts (which the ndp did not do) the vote has every right and belief to think the negative campaigning is true.

    (Response: Well, as for “I don’t believe that we would rather have the lieberals” you’d better check the results again: the Libs not only won but came away with MORE seats, so sure looks like more British Columbians wanted them than the NDP! Dix’s campaign maybe wasn’t as effective as he and party strategists expected, but I really don’t think the province-wide election results can fairly be blamed on one person. Would NDP POLICIES on Enbridge, coastal traffic, Site C dam, Kinder have been different? If Yes, tell us how!!! h.o)

  22. Crankypants says:

    I have a couple of questions.

    What does the term “free enterprise” mean in relation to how a government governs?

    What age groups are you referring to as the new generation of voters?

    (Response: You can look up the “official” definition of free enterprise in a dictionary or, better yet, in a text book on Economics. But in current political terms in BC, I’d say Free Enterprisers are people who believe in PRIVATE business projects, not government projects and who accordingly want government that:encourages and even assists private development; makes it easier for them to profit; keep more of those profits and, perhaps most importantly, REMOVES obstacles from their path …not ERECTS barriers. A “generation” is defined demographically as about 25 years and you just have to look about you to see how much BC has changed in the past 25 years, in so many ways. But apparently many BC voters don’t feel that the NDP has changed accordingly to keep up with the new reality of life and economics in BC. h.o)

  23. Okanagan Guy says:

    I think a lot of people were afraid of the truth and that the ndp would expose the true position of our province, talking about investigations and reviews of crown corporations and ending corporate donations scared a lot of people that have been living big off the taxpayers for years. There was a massive amount of money invested into the libs campaign by people that had the most to lose. I think we need to educate people on economics 101, look at the provincial debt and debt shifted to these P3’s and shell corporations. Look at these small countries that are in the same position, once the revenues dry up you’re screwed. Pipelines would do little to benefit the economy in the long term. LNG is years off (if ever) and we would be late to the market. Should be interesting to see what excuses and stall tactics the libs use when revenues fail to materialize.

    You are true that we need a solid alternative as the ndp took on professional con men and lost. The polls almost seem fake as to give the voter the impression the ndp had such a big lead that people did not need to vote.

    Time to outlaw corporate and union donations along with election polling.

    (Response: I really regret we now won’t get to know the FULL truth about the sale of BC Rail, the Basi-Virk payout and a whole slew of other questionable actions by the Libs. As for educating the public …good luck. Seems to me that people increasingly vote from a self-interest …almost selfish …point of view rather than on principle. Sad but that’s the reality I believe was reflected at the ballot box. h.o)

  24. Gini says:

    Yes, and I’ll tell you how……at least I’ll tell you how I think it could have been different.

    At the risk of sounding like a broken record (now I’m really dating myself), the NDP needed, and still needs, a dynamic leader, an orator with the bombastic, yet amusing style of Dave Barrett. One had only to attend one of his campaign speeches to know how he could captivate his audience.

    We may never see another NDP leader like Dave Barrett, but when I watched and listened to Adrian Dix in the legislature during Question Period in the few times Christy allowed them to be there, I had the sinking feeling that he just didn’t have what it takes to put Christy in her place. Saying things like, “I have a great deal of respect for Ms. Clark” did nothing to endear him to me, because I have no respect for her whatsoever.

    But I digress. Under a different leader, the NDP could have explained why the Enbridge and Kinder Morgan pipelines could not proceed as planned; that diluted bitumen is not acceptable anywhere near our rivers or coastal waters; that the multinational oil companies would have to upgrade their product before anyone, anywhere in North America will accept it.

    An NDP leader would have to tell the electorate why the Site C dam is not in the best interests of British Columbians, and how the BC Liberals have bankrupted our BC Hydro, and why.

    I agree with Rafe Mair. Now that we are faced with another 4+ years of BC Liberal incompetence and corruption, we are going to have to ‘fight the bastards any way we can’.

  25. Larry Bennett says:

    I’m trying to figure out what you mean by “socially” liberal here Harve. Is this to mean, maybe abortion on demand up to birth, and maybe even a few weeks after? Would you approve, not only SSM, but … oh I don’t know, maybe a wife and a husband for a bisexual person. Some believe that sex with 14 year olds should be permissible, and many, many believe in multiple partners. Already Catholic schools are being told they must allow these clubs (I forget the name, there are so many new propositions out there) that are outside their moral teachings. Should Jewish schools be forced to teach the evils of Zionism, as seen by Muslims. It seems to me we, as a society already have a plethora of social liberalism, yet everyone acts spooked about social conservatism. Why is that?

    (Response: Why do people on the right so often raise possible extremes when trying to counter demands for basic human rights? For example, talk about a woman’s right to choose and they say it could open the door to abortions “up to birth”. This is just alarmist … I personally am closer to a right to life supporter myself, but I’ve NEVER heard any right to choice advocate suggest …or ANY medical expert say that allowing choice would open the door to “up to birth” abortions. That’s the kind of right wing crap that scares people away from “conservatives”. And don’t get me started on the “sky is falling” end-of-civilization fears conservatives threw out if gay marriage was legalized….you know, polygamy or people marrying their pooch etc. Self-defeating extremism. All I see falling is LOTS of rain. And we can only imagine the conservative alarms going off at legalizing pot! That’s why we need a “liberal” free-enterprise” alternative to the Libs: a socially progressive free enterprise party that won’t try to take us back to the 50s (1950s or 1850s!). The BC Conservatives just don’t cut it with BC voters … because many voters believe they stand for just the extreme fears/positions you outline in your comment. h.o)

  26. morry says:

    i came to the same conclusion. and so has my friend who is a staunch NDPer but older and thus more loyal. He too saw that the NDP brand is over.

    (Response: There’s a very easy test you can use on NDP supporters who blame the leader, the campaign, the media for their loss. Ask them if they would change the party’s stance on Embridge, on Kinder, on Site C dam, on coastal traffic, on the Prosperity mine, on Glacier Resort project, on expanding coal trains and coal exports? If they say “No” … then they’re no different from the old white Republicans in the US… who keep saying the party has to better reflect the changing thinking in US society … but so far have refused to alter any policies! h.o)

  27. kootcoot says:

    Harvey, you seem to assume that the voters made a choice based on their own interests, and (big leap) that they actually understood their interests and the issues. With Adrian Dix being so careful to be “respectful” to a person and a party that deserves to be prosecuted for fraud, larceny and breach of trust, and an excuse for a mainstream media that is more than willing to promote the lies at the center of the so called “free enterprise” co-alition because they are owned by the beneficiaries (the corporate stranglehold on media) and hungry for government advertising dollars – the vast bulk of the public who frankly pay little attention to politics, being so busy trying to scratch out a living thanks to the very politicians busy transferring the results of their efforts to the corporate elite and the one percent, really have no understanding of where their interests truly lie.

    I live in a riding, rural and INTERIOR, that voted NDP by a two thirds majority, and even here most folks are blissfully unaware of most issues, and frankly dis-interested, though we were successful at shutting down Howser/Glacier – because that affected us directly.

    As for the dense Liberal blue Okanagan, that wasn’t the result of young families anxious to profit from resource development, but yep like Laura and GBW suggest, the result of OLDER voters. Have you been to the OK Valley lately? Kelowna has the highest percentage of geriatric population in CANADA, yet in the wisdom of the BC liaRs they managed to chase the last geriatric specialist in town to Ontario a couple or three years back due to refusal to fund and open the already built geriatric floor at Kelowna General or even support her non-attached clinic properly – so she acted in her own professional interest and went to Ontario for the money and the respect.

    These BC liaRs are really good at business! Aren’t they the same guys that managed to almost totally kill off the BC Forest Industry during the biggest building boom in US History (leading up to the Housing Bubble bust)? Aren’t these the same guys that learned how to guarantee their friends that they would buy Rape of the River power for three and four times its value, even though it wasn’t even needed, especially when it was/is available during spring run-off? That ain’t “free-enterprise,” that’s cronyism writ large like in a Latin American or African banana republic. But as I mentioned above thanks to the unchallenged lies by CC and company and the amplification of the lies by the complicit MSM, most people don’t realize or understand any of this.

    And Larry, as much as I feel bad about feeding trolls I can’t let a couple of your more outrageous statements above just stand in all their absurdity.

    “Is this to mean, maybe abortion on demand up to birth, and maybe even a few weeks after?”

    This is already covered in both the ten commandments and the Criminal Code – under MURDER!

    ” Some believe that sex with 14 year olds should be permissible”

    Especially Catholic Clergy in Atlantic Canada, Ireland, Nelson and many more locations, if not everywhere they go.

    I do like your idea of polygamy for bi-sexuals though – makes more sense than Bountiful, without the lost/redundant boy children!

    (Response: Don’t give me the old head-in-the-sand attitude that it was the corporate media that brainwashed so many people that the Libs ended up with MORE seats. There is not a SINGLE Liberal or Christy flaw, mistake, misstep that was not covered, repeated, denounced in the media. I have on occasion been very critical of BC’s media on this blog …but this time, it’s just a HUGE red (how appropriate!) herring to blame the media …or Dix or the campaign for that matter. After losing so MANY elections, surely it’s time to look for the REAL reasons the voters have rejected the NDP brand, the NDP message, the NDP policies. h.o)

  28. kootcoot says:

    BTW, I certainly hope when the bitumen hits the salt chuck it is in Burrard Inlet, all over English Bay and Ambelside Beach. Frankly, that is the likely result, cause it isn’t if, just when and the MK Trans Mountain and/or its associated tankers will be the culprits, because the Enbridge Gateway WILL NOT be built, at least not until after an intense war in both the courts and the woods.

    Anyone who think the Haida will sit and watch tankers be loaded with Bitumen and head for their piece of paradise should give their head a shake. Of course they will not be alone as the massive majority of bands who actually live in and consider the lands that EG plans to traverse their home will not allow it and they will all be aided by hundreds if not thousands of “white eyes” environmentalists.

    This will make Lyell Island look like a Sunday afternoon picnic in the park Steve!

  29. Larry Bennett says:

    Harve, so you’ve never heard of Kermit Gosnell? Yes he was charged, but it is pretty obvious that there are lots of others clinics doing the same. You also claim that it is ridiculous that anyone would push for abortion at such a late date. I was only a few years ago that Canadians were told that abortion would be limited to women whose life was in danger if she went to term, only for that reason and the father would always have a say in the welfare of his child. It would take a panel of at least 3 doctors to approve same, so we were being irrational in our fears. Well it didn’t take long for that lie to come to fruition, did it? The acceptance of SSM quickly led to adoption rights, and what do you have to say about secular authorities telling religious institutions what they may or may not do? Unless of course, if it be Muslim hate mongering against Jews and Christians. Don’t try to unload your biased liberal crap on me either, Mr. Oberfeld.

    (Response: Cry me a river when abortions by choice are allowed “right up until birth” as you stated. You are just scare mongering ..and perhaps now you will understand why not a single Conservative was elected in BC. In fact, a chief criteria in Harper’s success has been to keep a lid on his own extreme “conservative” social policy types and their wacky views. Their time is done, past, gone …and hopefully, never again to return. h.o)

  30. johnnyC says:

    I am getting tired of NDP supporters constantly refer to the Libs getting a less than 50% mandate and how if the votes were counted differently and/or there would have been more people voting the NDP would have won.

    They need to realize that this is our system and its not going to change soon.

    As well there are a lot of civic governments throughout BC who have left leaning/NDP sympathizing governments and they were elected with a 20%-30% turnout. Of course there are no complaints with this result as their candidates won.

    (Response: Ahhh! You have put your finger on how partisan supporters work: their standards change with the wind. not only in elections, but in appointments, in contracts awarded, in how money is wasted …all depending on which party is in power and does the dirty deeds. h.o0

  31. Henri says:

    Going by the majority of the commenter’s here the general consensus appears to suggest that the full blame for the loss by the NDP is due to their leader Dix, the NDP hierarchy, NDP lack of motivation on a positive platform versus their negative platform of no motivation, their version of affirmative action with regard to female candidates.
    My feeling ,when they picked Dix’s for their leader, they were toast, any of the other 4 front runners I’m sure would have took them to a win.

    (Response: Read my reply to Scotty: the NDP’s problems are a lot more serious than Dix. Clearly the party is NOT selling: time for a new brand, a new product …a new choice. h.o)

  32. Scotty on Denman says:

    Oh Jeez, the alligators must be runnin’ dry, the NDP’s finished, washed up, all over, done like dinner! C’mon, Harvey, this election had nothing to do with socialism vs free enterprise…what on earth does Christy have to do with free enterprise? IPPs aren’t free-enterprise—they’d be outta business pronto except for the state has to buy their inefficient, over-priced power—that’s about as free enterprise as Stalin. And what’s this about young voters preferring the BC Libs? Young voters generally DON”T VOTE FOR ANYBODY, for Pete’s sake! The NDP is the free-enterprise party with a social conscience you pine for. Their problem is that not enough people voted for them, just a shade less than the perfidious but aggressive BC Liberals got, but they still got 34 times as many seats as the Greens. The consensus , almost fully formed now that advance polls are being counted, is that because Dix ran such a drab campaign, he couldn’t shake his supporters from their complacency of a sure win. But Dix will be replaced and the party will fight the next election, pray they learned something from this absolutely inept campaign. Meanwhile Christy’s party totters on the edge of a frightening abyss, massive debt, falling markets, civic restiveness and a host of other problems mostly of their own making.

    (Response: Your response is exactly what NDPers said after they lost the last election and the one before that and the one before that. Get real! If the Liberal legacy of Gordon Campbell and Christy Clark couldn’t be defeated …in fact, INCREASED their seats …. clearly the voters do NOT want the NDP as the alternative. BC HAS changed demographically in the past 20 years … and so should our political choices. h.o)

  33. 13 says:

    Its interesting to sit back and try to understand why the NDP lost. Why the supporters need to pigeon hole the reasons. The need to assign blame. Its likely all of the above and some reasons that havent yet been guessed.
    I do agree with Harveys assertion that the electorate has changed. Yes we have many more aged voters.(My catagory). But I think the biggest difference is the impact that imigration has had on the electorate. The huge explosion in the Asian and South Asian population is one important reason that the NDP brand is finished. I work in an industry (trucking is the largest employer in Canada) that employes a predominant Asian workforce. Most of the old NDP ideals of an 8 hr work day with all sorts of benefits scare the hell out of them. They see the ability to work very long hours for very mediocre wages as the ticket to success. They do not want limted entry into trucking (a sure way to raise wages) they want to see thousand of truckers all cutting rates to try to take the work away from one another. THE WINNER in all of this is Walmart, Target, Home Depot, ETC. They get cheap freight and cheap labor and cheap goods. They make huge profits.
    Afew years ago the Federal minister of Labour lamented that Canada had a huge shortage of non skilled workers. The next phrase out of his yap was ” yes we need thousands of truck drivers.

    So all of this horseshit fits perfectly in what imigrants precieve as a government that is good for buisness . THE LIBERALS. The idea of the NDP and unions scares the hell out of them.

  34. mightymo says:

    Thank you “13” for bringing one of the major issues in BC politic to the forefront.

    It is exactly the changing dynamics of our p0pulation (as revealed in the latest census numbers) with a huge influx of Asian and South Asians to BC. These folks come from countries that have been populated for probably several thousand years — the environment is not on their radar as it was raped and pillaged long before any of us were born. They come to BC to make money in any way they can. And please, I’m not being racist here. Many of these immigrants are indentured when they get here but they get all sorts of help from non-profit organizations specifically set up to guide them through how to make their way and these organizations are being well funded by the current government as well as the one in Ottawa.

    While I agree that the campaign brain trust of the NDP totally ignored many opportunities to highlight the BC Liberals corruption and record of deceit, there are other factors at play that contributed to the mess most of us as citizens of this province are facing.

    (Response: Well, I don’t think they’re indentured when they get here…many bring lots of money to buy real estate and invest. But I agree they have changed the game: I have found most to be very fond of business and free-enterprise … and less government, not more. h.o)

  35. Crankypants says:

    The term “free enterprise” is nothing but a slogan concocted by some backroom strategists to give the illusion that any political party using it has the best interests of the economy as part of their platform. I doubt you can find any political party in power in Canada that practices it simply because it doesn’t exist. It just sounds better than corporate welfare which is practiced by virtually all the various governments in our country.

    (Response: Call it what you will … or won’t. The FACT is that BC voters supported those who advocate it and gave them MORE seats. The NDP either can learn from the kick in the rear they have received…or keep opposing all kinds of huge resource projects and developments …and lose again! h.o)

  36. Larry Bennett says:

    What Mr. Harper has said, is that until people have a change of heart on the abortion business (and a very lucrative one at that) he does not want to deal with it. The largest single protest on parliament hill is the pro-life demonstration, covered by SunMedia and virtually no one else. You and your media friends don’t want to admit that the tide is turning! And you didn’t answer my question about government involvement in Church/Temple affairs and what they may teach in their schools. Meanwhile the Muslims (many of them though not all) continue to preach hate. (oh, and Kootcoot, it is many of your NDP buddies, like Svend who think 14 is old enough.) In case you are unaware, the official Catholic teaching is that any sexual congress outside of Matrimony is sinful; what individual members of the clergy or laity do is beyond their ken, they certainly don’t condone it – twit!

  37. Larry Bennett says:

    Uh, r, I don’t think I would put a lot of weight on any prognostications made by this man given the outcome of the late election. Clever Clogs strode in wearing the Robes of the Righteous and immediately fell right on his nose – a virtuoso performance to be sure. That said, I assure you that the man has no enemies, but is intensely disliked by his friends!
    I, on the other hand, must confess (like Waugh) am full of the comfort that glows in the hearts of old men when they contemplate the misfortunes of their contemporaries. I wonder, does this have something to do with what is to account for my depreciated popularity?

  38. 13 says:

    And as a BTW or PS They make up 50% of eligible voters . They can be signed up in groups to join political parties and they will block vote to sway outcomes and change policy. Good bad or indifferent they will continue to grow in numbers and thereby influence election outcomes more and more as time marches on.

  39. D. M. Johnston says:

    It is so sad to see the NDP types in classic denial; it’s everyone’s else fault, but not ours.

    This why the NDP lost and will lose again in 2017.

    Yes keep Dix on, he was such a good candidate that he savoured defeat from the jaws of victory. Don’t they get it? You must win elections, you must be inclusive, you must have a viable platform, and you must take you opponent by the jugular, or you will be defeated.

    Cry on O’ NDP, cry on, no one is listening and no one cares; you have sold out the BC taxpayer, in fact you sold out BC with your sheer incompetence.

    What is really sad is the 50% or so of the population that did not vote and more and more I begin to see why, there wasn’t a viable candidate to vote for and makes me think we should have “none of the above” on our ballots and if “none of the above” wins a by election must be held within 60 days, with new candidates, paid for by the established political parties as a penalty for running a disliked candidate.

    (Response: Never thought I’d see the day where NDP stalwarts echo so many of the same denial sentiments of the US Republicans after being rejected by the people … blaming the leader, the media, the campaign … instead of facing the facts: THEIR POLICIES did not fly!! h.o)

  40. Hugh says:

    Harvey, I see your point. It’s just that relying on those projects you listed (and LNG export) for long-term stable jobs is delusional, I think.

    (Response: No doubt certain resources are finite. But what’s the point of just leaving them in the ground? Just look around your home and your life: you should be amazed at how much of what you use and enjoy had much of its origins in the ground! The resources are there to use: to improve our lives, to provide jobs, to support our economy, to produce royalties and revenues for social programs, to help people fund their retirement incomes etc. etc. My only concerns: that they be extracted safely and to the highest possible environmental standards. And I believe THAT’s exactly the message given by the voters. h.o)

  41. jrminator says:

    I agree the NDP is yesterday’s party. However, I believe that they could have actually pulled this one out but for their failure to utilize the ammunition available. For me, the ruin of BC Hydro for the sake of IPP contracts will forever prevent me from voting Lieberal ever again. Where are the likes of WAC when we need them?

    (Response: Clearly, the campaign did not work and Dix failed to excite or generate trust. Perhaps more emphasis on the Libs lousy record in so many areas would have helped, but my own sense … looking at the fact the Libs actually increased their seats, DESPITE virtually everyone knowing MUCH about their failings … is that something more profound is involved in the NDP’s rejection: policies and negativity. h.o)

  42. Here is an example of why the NDP lost and how the NDP elites have killed the party.

    I as you must be aware of, is that I am very involved with transit issues (you once interviewed me) and the Rail for the Valley group, which I belong, engaged Leewood Projects (UK) to do a comprehensive study to ascertain the viability of reinstating the Vancouver to Chilliwack interurban service. The result was the Leewood RftV Report, which showed that reinstating the Vancouver to Chilliwack was indeed viable and affordable.


    The report was well received internationally and published in two international rail journals. Locally, trying to get anyone interested in adopting the report has been another story.

    Several NDP Fraser Valley NDP MLA’s wanted to use the report as a step in providing better transportation for the Fraser Valley, yet they hit a road block.

    The NDP elites, the backroom boys & girls and/or Mr. Dix himself had a ‘hand-shake’ agreement with NDP types on Vancouver council to build a $4 billion subway under Broadway to UBC and the party deterred much discussion for better transit south of the Fraser, except for a politically correct pre-ellection dog and pony show.

    I was told by a then sitting MLA that the NDP hierarchy were sold on Skytrain and “the NDP MLA’s South of the Fraser were told that support for any other transit mode would be tolerated!”

    The NDP offered nothing to valley voters.

    The exclusive nature of the provincial NDP and the dictatorial stance by the party elites have sealed the NDP’s doom. I’m sorry, though I would have preferred a NDP government (especially to reveal the truth about the BC Rail give away), their loss came as no surprise. Until the NDP wish to represent the people, instead of a few dreamy elites and their hanger-ons, the NDP will be losers for years to come.

    From the many posts I see here, there is no desire for change within the NDP and thus, the door is open for a new Private Enterprise Socially “Liberal” Party.

    (Response: I too notice how many partisan NDP supporters blame everyone they can think of for the party’s ….except their own policies. Funny how intelligent they would have all thought British Columbians were if the NDP had won; but in defeat, they think the public just weren’t informed enough to know the issues, the Libs failings and the media failure to tell them about it all. Let’s keep it real: many people ARE ignorant and don’t follow issues, even if they are covered ad nauseam .. but THEY don’t usually vote; those who do care enough to vote usually do watch the campaigns and the stories about it all …. and not enough of them WERE sufficiently impressed with Dix and the NDP’s left-wing ideas, priorities and proposals. Plain and simple. h.o)

  43. Olaf says:

    The reality is that the best thing that happened to the NDP was that they lost this election. LNG is a pipe dream in a world awash in natural gas – nothing will come of this. Over the next few years when the deferrals from Hydro hit the fan and the on coming Canadian depression hits there will be nowhere for the Federal Conservatives nor the BC Liberals to hide. We are in store for a far worse slump than we experienced in 2008 and those in power will at some point have to wear the responsibility for the empty promises and lies that have been spun for the last decade.

    Superior fiscal servants my ass.

    (Response: You could turn out to be quite accurate. But people always vote for “pipe” dreams in elections…promises of no tax increases, promises of major development, vows to build thousands and thousands of jobs instead of “No”, “no” “no” policies. They always end up disappointed ..but do it time and time again. h.o)

  44. Brian says:

    When BC hydro is broken up and sold off is when the voters of BC will realise what a mistake they made. After your electric bill comes in at seven hundred a month you may look at free enterprise different.

  45. Brian says:

    My parents pay seven hundred a month in Calafornia for electricity in a 3200 square ft house. Private company.

  46. kootcoot says:

    “looking at the fact the Libs actually increased their seats, DESPITE virtually everyone knowing MUCH about their failings “

    I beg to differ Harv! Most people know little about their failings and don’t even know there ever was a BC Rail, unless they live on the old line.

    People on Vancouver Island DO understand the way the libs have ruined BC Ferries, thus the almost solid orange of the island.

    People in the West and Central Kootenays understand BC Hydro, from the way it devastated their valleys, to today and the travesty of the Rape of the Rivers IPP, which is why we have NDP MLAs in spite of being in the interior and have actually forced the abandonment of some IPP projects and clear cuts in unique old growth like the Vahallas (actually not all old growth, near the lake and accessible in the old days) and the Incommoplex (sp?), though we were helped by a landslide there that made the 1000+ year interior coastal forest inacessible to the tree pillagers.

    I gotta go now, I’m gonna bar crawl tonight in downtown Jumbo!

  47. kootcoot says:

    By the way Father Larry,

    ” In case you are unaware, the official Catholic teaching is that any sexual congress outside of Matrimony is sinful; what individual members of the clergy or laity do is beyond their ken, they certainly don’t condone it – twit!”

    It is difficult to believe they don’t condone it when they have made a consistent practice of moving, hiding and otherwise protecting those clergy who prey on children – moving them to a new area with a new unsuspecting potential victim base!

    And unless you have information that I am unaware of, I would be careful about characterizing Svend as a pedophile, in fact if I can find how to contact him I may point out your comment so he can sue your sanctimonious ass. Being homosexual and being a pedophile are two different things and most male pedophiles prey on female children. And neither pedophiles or gay folks are likely to slide down the slippery slope to dogs, cats and chickens!

  48. Derek Corrigan says:

    Harvey, your comments amount to a general approval of the Liberal platform by accepting that our economy should be, and is, based on resource extraction and export to foreign countries. You then say the Liberals won because the public agreed with this premise. Unfortunately, your argument is circuitous, because the public accepted what the media accepted.

    The ability of political parties to communicate with voters, or with general public, is so very limited in modern society that the media is inordinately powerful in shaping opinions and determining public acceptance. Phoning is virtually impossible, any political pamphlets are lost in the deluge of paper at every doorstep and town hall meetings are a thing of the past. Even door-knocking meets with a frosty response. Language difficulties further complicate voter contact. The only other outlet is social media, but it is another doorstep where communications are overwhelming and without saturation, you are lost. But people still read, watch television and listen to commentators through all the major media outlets. And there’s the rub.

    If the media decide that they prefer the position of one of the parties, the public will follow the direction of the media. Why would they lie? Can the people who bring you the Hockey playoffs be bad guys? Negative advertising by third parties gets the occasional ” Tsk tsk”, while the media rakes in the advertising dollars and supports the avertisor with news copy asserting the technical accuracy of the vicious attack. The same commentators who deplored character assasination, find it entertaining in an election and congratulate the purveyors. They express no appreciation for a clean campaign, but bet on soon this effort will end, by interpeting any criticism as a broken promise. The media then does what it always does. It focuses on the Leaders not the issues or the platforms. It is, after all, a beauty contest, isn’t it? Now its all about who takes the best picture and, of course, who chooses the picture to be used.

    But that isn’t enough. The major outlets write editorials forgiving the Liberals for their corruption and insisting that people should keep the socialist hordes at bay. They include free major supplements extolling the virtues of resource extraction. They print commentaries from Liberal supporters as if they were independent viewpoints. They even put Vote Liberal on their web-site. Why? Because money talks. The advertisors who hang out with the publisher and the editor and the owners who meet at the Vancouver Club know exactly where they want to go and they make Mike Duffy look honourable. (Remember that freedom fighting reporter?)

    Triple everything I said for the ethnic media. The NDP got murdered in the Chinese media. With a local television executive running for the Liberals and a strong right wing control of the outlets, Chinese who rely on the Chinese media got a one-sided view. The Liberals successfully used even more negative and untruthful advertising and the commentators used every chance to encourage anti-NDP voting. Money talks.

    The NDP had successfully shown the Liberals to be morally bankrupt. They did their job as opposition. The media didn’t do its job, by reminding the public of the reasons behind that 20 point gap in approval. Instead the media made the election all about the Liberal coalition platform. Resource jobs. Of course we all know they won’t materialize, but the media thoroughly convinced the public that they should decide the next government on who promised more jobs. That little corruption thing. No problem. After all, Adrian Dix is just as bad. He back-dated a memo to try to help his boss out of a jam.

    (Response: Absolutely NOT! Don’t confuse my analysis of what I believe happened with my approval for Liberal policies, platform or record. Geez!! I just try on here to explain what happened …why people voted the way they did or did not. That doesn’t mean I agree or support them when I try to analyse the results.. When I express my own views on any particular issue it’s pretty easy to tell that’s what I’m doing. And glad you’re reading the blog, Derek! h.o)

  49. Larry Bennett says:

    You’re so cute Kootcoot! By the way, I just might sue you for saying that I said Svend was a pedophile, when I didn’t. It would be hard to characterize anyone as a pedophile (straight or gay) if they hadn’t done it. However you wouldn’t be a pedophile by saying it is worth looking into – you’d just have to be an idiot! By the way, if you should contact him you can say that I said he was a thief. No sense wasting the man’s time! By the by Harve, great article in today’s N.P. by none other than Barbara Kay. She’s not merely a good journalist, but further more a great writer, with something important to say!

  50. Larry Bennett says:

    Yeah, I’m glad Derek is reading the blog too, because I have some advice on how to make more money for the highly paid union staff that he insists on hiring (at the cost of the non-union working stiff). Just think how much money you could make by having the police ticket Burnaby drivers who refuse to stop where Grange (I think it is) merges with Kingsway near Paterson, just before Inman. I can attest that no one, and I mean absolutely no one, stops at that sign unless a hydro bus is hoving into view! It is used as a yield sign, and someone is going to get killed there, or in the crosswalk just back from the juncture. Hundreds of thousands of $ to be made there Your Worship!

  51. Gini says:

    The BC Liberals did not gain any seats. They have exactly the same as they had in 2009, which is way too many, IMHO.

    (Response: Now that the recount is done, you’re right: Libs have 49, same as before. But you neglect to point out, NDP is actually DOWN one, to 34. h.o)

  52. Gini says:

    And that, Harvey, opens up a whole new dialogue regarding the Green Party, which I refuse to get involved in.

    (Response: Well, allow me then to comment on that: I believe linking up with the Greens would HURT the NDP… pushing away more centre-of-the-road NDP supporters than the NDP would gain … people who see the Greens as extreme. h.o)

  53. The split free-enterprise vote would be repaired when Gordon Campbell hijacked the BC Liberals away from leader Gordon Wilson. But in the first attempt at gaining power, Campbell suffered from voter ballot box reckoning.

    (Response: Maybe Gordon Wilson should start a Real Liberal Party? h.o)

  54. DON says:

    Socially Liberal Free Enterprise balanced policies.

    Educated tech savy generation.

    A trend from the 60″s and 70″s.

    Just might work, trends always return.

    Thank you for the perspective…just might work.

    (Response: Well, clearly the NDP policies formula over the past decade is not. It may be laudable to talk about important issues like child poverty, decent deal for teachers, the environment, First Nations, etc.. but the voters balloted right past that, opting for jobs, growth, development, and fears of pipelines and coastal traffic be damned. h.o)

  55. Larry Bennett says:

    Maybe Gordon Wilson should start a Real Liberal Party? Was going to say, Get Real, but what the hey, he’s tried everything else!

  56. Hugh says:

    Harvey, I just don’t see how, for example, projects like LNG export would benefit BC at all.

    Sure, we have the resource (natural gas). A much better use would be to use it in BC for transportation fuel.

    As for the New Prosperity mine, sure there is copper and gold there. But it’s low-grade. That and the environmental impacts mean no real benefit to BC. The mine would use subsidized power from BC Hydro. The project is all about benefitting China, not BC.

    I’m not opposed to developing resources in BC. Just that those projects you mention are more about BC being stripped of its resources.

    (Response: Well, every shovel in the ground, every drill into the ground is stripping the earth of resources. I admire your opposition to that … IF you are willing to stop driving your car, never take transit, fly in a plane, use a computer, use a cell phone ..and a long line of other etc.’s …because EVERY ONE of those things could not exist without components ripped from the ground. What confuses me is so many British Columbians want those things..but not extracted here: let the rest of the world do the dirty work, take the shipping risks, get the investment (check the RRSP or mutual funds so many here depend on for retirement growth), also get the jobs, the taxes, the royalies and all the money spent in local stores, businesses. BUT we somehow want MORE for the homeless, child poverty, skills training, seniors, health, First Nations, education, transit, parks and the environment. Resource development IS ugly…but we need it to provide the improvements we want: but we should try to make sure we do it as cleanly and as safely as possible, with the public sharing in a fair share of the benefits. h.o)

  57. Gini says:

    Well, now that Christy and her little environment puppet have announced they are officially rejecting the Northern Gateway Project, all those gullible voters who thought that the bitumen pipelines would be going ahead at full speed, creating all those ‘jobs, jobs, jobs’ that Christy had been promising ad nauseam throughout the campaign will be extremely disappointed.

    After all, wasn’t that the excuse given for not voting NDP? Wasn’t it because Dix nixed the bitumen, thereby nixing jobs and prosperity for British Columbians?

    Of course, we know this announcement is nothing more than a smoke-screen. The BC Liberals don’t give two hoots about the environment. But they do care about money, so it’s an opportune time to say something that might make them look good to the millions of British Columbians who are against this project, while at the same time devise a plan to extort a bigger piece of the pie from Ms. Redford.

    I guess it’s obvious, Harv, that I do not trust the Christy Liberals as far as I can throw them, and I don’t think I’m the only British Columbian who feels this way. Care to make a wager on what the next ‘announcement’ will be?

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