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Canada Day: Time to Stand on Guard!

June 29th, 2018 · 74 Comments

Canada Day … a day to pause and remember our country’s history,  our achievements, our civility as a nation … and count our blessings to be living in a peaceful, if still imperfect, democracy.

This year, though, it is also the time to rise to the challenge and stand on guard … because Canada is under attack, and the assault on our country is not only coming from a friend and ally, the United States, it is likely to soon get even worse.

On Canada Day, our retaliatory tariffs on $16 Billion worth of American goods will come into effect … and the ignorant egomaniacal bully south of the border will no doubt go ape.

US President Donald Trump has set his sights on Canada many time lately, with insults, total lies, vitriol … and has already fired several salvos in a north-south trade war: lumber tariffs, hard line demand and threats to cancel NAFTA, and those 25-per-cent and 10-per-cent tariffs on steel and aluminum, respectively.

The boldness of Canada … to actually reciprocate with equal-valued tariffs  to the latest American attack on our country (but not insults and vitriol to go along with it) … will not sit well with Trump.

Especially once any impact on US jobs from Canada’s retaliation becomes discernable.

And if the Trump tirade (still continuing) against Harley Davidson … an AMERICAN company that stood up to him … is anything to go by, the unstable president will likely target Canada again … with more than just tweets.

This Canada Day, Canadians should all take a vow to defend OUR country and stand guard for OUR companies.

Take the pledge to BUY CANADIAN … or at least products from other countries that have not struck out at us, trying to inflict financial pain and suffering on Canadian companies and families that work for them.

Many Americans are embarrassed, saddened and oppose Trump’s attacks on Canada (and other former allies) … BUT don’t forget, in the LATEST polls, Trump’s popular support has been on the RISE … hitting as high 48%.

If we want …and hope …. Trump’s trade attacks will be short-lived,  Canadians … like our European Union counterparts … must send a message to ALL Trump supporters that the pain from a trade war works both ways.  THEY must feel it too!

Let your spending speak loudly for you.

I have and trust me!  You will feel REALLY good standing on guard for Canada!

Happy Canada Day!

Harv Oberfeld

Tags: International · National

74 responses so far ↓

  • 1 BMCQ // Jun 29, 2018 at 7:11 am

    You are up very early this morning Harvey.

    AS I have stated on your Blog previously, my Company is a Unionized B.C. Manufacturing Company that exports World Wide with about 45% of our Product shipping into the U.S.

    Including myself, the Employees that work here in YVR, the U.S., the UK, The Philippines and Australia want the U.S. Consumers to continue to purchase our Companies Manufactured Products we export to about 30 U.S. States.

    If Canadians were to discontinue to purchase U.S. Products we would harm them and we would in turn ourselves if U.S. Consumers were to retaliate and they have a Much Bigger Club.

    If Canadians were to retaliate as you say and not purchase U.S. Manufactured Products it would harm several groups, it would harm U.S. Citizens that work to supply us products, it would cost Canadians more for Products, and it would affect Truckers, Trains, Retailers, and all of the rest.

    At the same time we must NEVER forget that the U.S. Consumer is responsible for the Purchase of about 75% of the Canadian Produced Product Exports.

    How do you think Canadians would feel if 75% of Canadian Products were boycotted by U.S. Consumers because they decided to NOT BUY CANADIAN?

    Really now, just how much sene does it make for Canadians to Boycott American when they could turn around and do the same to us with much more serious results?

    Careful what you ask for, you just might get it.

    I want NOTHING whatsoever to do with that idea.

    You more than likely do not believe me but the whole Trade Tariff thing with DJT is all about China. China Cheats, China Steals Intellectual Property, China Manipulates their Currency, China Ships Fentanyl to the U.S. and Canada through Mexico, China charges HUGE Tariffs and Duties on U.S. and Canadian Manufactured Autos and other Products.

    You could not move to China and purchase a House Condo, Farm, or anything close to that.

    You could not get Citizenship, Medical Coverage, you could not even visit China for as long as you would like. China are not our Friend and FINALLY a U.S. President?World Leader is standing up to China.

    Canadian PM Justin needs to instruct his Minions to sit down with U.S. and Mexican Trade Envoys and they need to put together a new NAFTA Deal that includes Softwood Lumber and he needs to do it now.

    The second to last thing Canadians want or need is a Trade War with the U.S..

    The VERY LAST Thing Canadians want is to Boycott U.S. products of any kind.

    We WOULD NOT Win.

    We can rattle our Sabres on CKNDP (NW) or argue, discuss, debate amongst our Friends as it might make us feel better but we live in the real world and to actually attack the U.S. by Boycotting U.S. Product would be a Fools Game.

    I am quite superstitious and I should more than likely not even post on this subject but I am about to push the Submit Button.

    (Response: Canadians need not fear US consumers: first, MOST are appalled and ashamed at how Trump and his Republicans (more Trumpites than real Republicans) have assailed Canada; second, as anyone knows who has talked to Americans, the vast majority are appallingly ignorant of Canada, couldn’t care less about trade issues between us and wouldn’t hold our self defence of our own interests against us …unless we started burning US flags…which we should not. h.o)

  • 2 13 // Jun 29, 2018 at 7:44 am

    Happy Canada Day!

    If were at war withe USA and the theater is a trade dispute so be it.
    In any war leadership plays an important role in the outcome.
    Trudeau vs Trump? I do not feel confident in my leaders ability to lead us into battle.
    Not because Trudeau doesnt trade insults, not because Trudeau isnt brash , but because Trudeau is just not a leader . Trudeau is concerned with his facebook image. Trudeau is concerned with making apologies. Ive never seen any politician so willing to apologize on my behalf without my consent for issues I may or may not feel any guilt over.

    (Response: I too have been unhappy and critical of Trudeau since he took office, BUT when Canada is under attack from another country, it is our DUTY to defend our country and our interests…regardless of whether we like OUR leader or not. h.o.)

  • 3 Gary T // Jun 29, 2018 at 10:27 am

    Great column Harvey. The only thing the great hamster head is doing is punishing his own people more than anyone else. he’s just so full of himself that he can’t see that.

  • 4 Hawgwash // Jun 29, 2018 at 11:07 am

    Harvey, thank you and Happy Canada Day to you as well.
    Pity the level of debate has risen from grading your papers, to actually lecturing you on “the whole Trade Tariff thing with DJT.” Agendas abound even among those who preach “others before self.”
    I agree with the buy Canadian premise, as difficult as it is to differentiate products, especially with it not being easy to identify who owns what, corporately. Further, I am stunned at how many people yawn and will not take the time to even read the “Made in” label on TP.

    Trump has now taken me beyond amusement and disgust. He frightens me as do his rabid followers. The recent rally in Duluth Minnesota, regardless of how many were there should be so shocking to the rest of the world, that serious global action is taken. The only thing worse than the administration, is the hypocritical stance of those around this buffoon, across the US and on both sides of the house.

    We, right here in BC and across Canada, should be sending a very clear, non-confrontational message to the US; “I’m sorry but, you are no longer welcome here.”

    My message would be no different, than one given to my neighbours next door, with an abusive, alcoholic father whose behavior is disruptive to all of us on the block. Deal with that monster you live with, or we will not allow you to come to our house.

    People who whine about him, yet all they will do is giggle and post silly photo-shopped images, are a very large part of the problem. People, who denounce the man, but continue taking their money south for weeks on end, are a very large part of the problem.

    Business operators, especially in the tourist and the marine industries, cuss the Americans, when not in ear shot but love those big US bucks that keep rolling in. Those people too, are a very large part of the problem.

    So, what am I doing about it, you ask. I have made it quite clear to each and every one of my US friends that while my individual friendship does not change, I will not travel to the US, will not welcome them to my home and will in time, if they remain passive walk away from them.

    They are not large in numbers but they understand. The ones who don’t or say “maybe we can get together in Hawaii,” have already been moved to the bottom of my contact list.

    I have family in Portland who are stuck and ill over this mess but cheer my stand to shun them.

    (Response: To not welcome Americans in Canada is wrong. To the contrary, we should really appreciate and welcome those who spend their hard-earned money to travel HERE, spend their time and money HERE … a supportive action for Canada and almost a protest of their own against Trump’s diatribes. As I mentioned in an earlier comment, I have a family of friends with two kids from Florida arriving in July and another US couple I met on a trans-Atlantic cruise coming in September: can hardly wait to welcome them and show them our beautiful city … returning the same friendship and hospitality they have extended to this Canadian when I am down south. h.o)

  • 5 BMCQ // Jun 29, 2018 at 11:18 am

    Harvey – 1 – Response

    I know you spend time in FLA and you do have Friends and Family there so I would not doubt what they tell you but I talk to Literally Dozens of Americans every week in about 12 of 20 different States My /company Exports to and they do not agree with you.

    What they do tell me though is they are to a person very On Board with Trump on his Anti-China Stance and in fact he is doing thr right thing.

    Going back as far as Regan, Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43 and Obama, a Host of U.S. Administrations from Both Parties Ignored that China was in Fact Eating the Lunch of the U.S. and it’s Manufacturing Base.

    The Worst Offender and Enabler of China out of the whole Bunch of those U.S. Presidents was Barack Obama who Dithered and Fiddled while China and others Plundered the U.S. Economy and Manufacturing Sector by Cheating, Stealing Intellectual Property, Manipulating their Currency, Shipping Drugs and other Illegal Substances including Melamine into the U.S. and other Western Nations.

    Most U.S. Citizens are NOT Appalled with how Trump has Assailed Canada and it’s PM Justin, only those at CNN, MSNBC, and the Alphabet Networks that would do anything to discredit anything Trump.

    Yes, Trump is Boorish, Rude, a Bully, and even Orange but he is exactly what the U.S. and the rest of the World including Canada need right now.

    Trump is the result of the eight years of a Bumbling, Dithering, Impotent, Incompetent, POTUS Obama and his Administration of HRC, Holder, Lynch, Reid, Pelosi, Michelle, Susan Rice as National Security Adviser,and the rest that Drew Red Lines, allowed ISIS to ruin ALL of the EU by not dealing with what Obama called the Junior Varsity Team resulting in Millions of Displaced Middle Eastern People Migrating to the Soon to Collapse European Union.

    You will reject my commentary on this and that is fine with me as we do agree on most issues of the time but I would like ti review this after the Mid-Terms and observe the results.

    The whole Trade and Tariff Fiasco is about China but in the Meantime Canada and our own Inept and Not Ready for Prime Time PM Justin had better sit down and successfully negotiate a new NAFTA Deal with the U.S. and Mexico without silly Boycotts of American imported Product to Canada.

    Again, Please understand that about 75% of Canadian Manufactured Product is Exported into the U.S.

    If we were to attempt a Boycott of U.S. Goods Exported to Canada we would LOSE and we would LOSE Bigly.

    One last thing on this, because of the Anti China Sentiment in the U.S. My Company and other Canadian Exporters I know that Ship Stateside are actually seeing Sales Increase as U.S. Corps are rejecting China. Only this week My Company has attracted the Business of two U.S. Customers that have rejected China Produced Products.

    They are on the side of the Orange One as are many of their Customers and they chose our Canadian Manufactured Product. Think about that.

    Do you want to go against that?

    People may not like Trump but he is doing the right thing and you are about to witness Implosion of the democratic Party in the U.S.

    You are at the same time witnessing the Erosion

    of support of Socialist EU Leadership which will include the soon jettisoned Angela Merkel in Germany.

    It is so sad that the damage has already contributed to the Demise of the EU and it’s Uber Liberal Society that Gladly gave up Control of their Borders and Migration/Immigration.

    A Fatal Mistake.

    Tick Tock!!

    (Response: Read my response to Gene. I agree the US has legitimate international grievances, especially against China. But NOT against Canada… its once greatest friend and ally and trading partner… to the extent that justifies Trump’s aggression, insults etc. And as I stated, although many are appalled, his popularity has actually risen to high 40 per cents. THAT’S why every Canadian should join sending THEM a message with our purchases …or lack thereof … in the hope of applying pressure on Trump’s government and end their attacks against Canadian companies. To do nothing … will only encourage bully Trump’s aggression. h.o.)

  • 6 BMCQ // Jun 29, 2018 at 11:39 am

    Here is something that should interest anyone that takes the U.S./China/Canada/Mexico Trade Fiasco seriously.

  • 7 Hawgwash // Jun 29, 2018 at 11:56 am

    Courage of principle.

  • 8 Gene The Bean // Jun 29, 2018 at 12:32 pm

    I hear this same topic discussed daily. People are fighting back to support Canada even if it costs them time and money.

    Like any bully, tRump and most other conservatards pick on those that they consider weak.

    Anyone that is against Canada taking a stand is just a selfish narcissist putting themselves first.

    A big group of us have nixed a Vegas trip this year. We’ll proudly spend the money in Canada instead.

    Quite the story of that young Latino woman ousting a twenty year congressman in New York !! How did she do it? The under 25 vote was off the scale. Cant wait for November. Tick Tock. tRump is the best thing to happen to the progressive movement.

    If he isn’t in prison first, tRump has no hope in 2020. The House goes blue for sure and maybe the Senate in November. White conservative domestic terrorists can try and murder more journalists but that story will be told.

    Happy Canada Day! Be grateful for all that we have and don’t forget to share with those that may not be as well off as us. Food bank donations are easy and are really needed.

    (Response: I was shopping yesterday: US lettuce was about 20 cents cheaper than the Canadian: I bought Canadian … no big deal and it felt good; I also reached for canned fruit On Sale … was going to stock up, saw Produce of USA ..and went for fresh BC apples instead. Make no mistake … I like the United States, and I agree there are many countries that have failed to do their fair share in NATO and others around the world that have taken US billions in aid and then those in power have stolen the money or spat on the US at the UN etc. I also like most Americans … I have friends from there coming to visit in July and September. BUT by applying economic pressure, the power of one multiplied by a hundred thousand, maybe WE ordinary folks CAN help stop Trump’s bullying and aggression towards Canada, that used to be America’s greatest friend and ally. h.o.)

  • 9 Hawgwash // Jun 29, 2018 at 2:20 pm

    Will Canadians stop buying Starbucks?
    I don’t think so.
    Will Canadians stop eating Big Macs?
    I don’t think so.
    Will Canadians stop going to Tim Horton’s?
    Hard to say, because it’s difficult to find who the owner is.

    Maybe the Westons could help us by telling us which products ar REAL CANADIAN.

    (Response: As far as I know Starbucks coffees come from South America etc…not the US; and both McDonalds and Tim Hortons source their beef and eggs etc in Canada. If they don’t consumer groups should call them on that. h.o)

  • 10 13 // Jun 29, 2018 at 4:21 pm

    Harvey, you told me it is our duty to defend our country regardless whether or not we like our leader. You should have said regardless whether we are ashamed of our leader. Sickened by our leader.Disgusted by our leader. Embarrassed by our leader.
    Personally I will wait and see how this develops before I start looking at country of origin labels.
    Unlike Gene I do not have the ability to see other peoples motives. Unlike Gene I have a hard time calling other people names or denigrating them because of their political views. Unlike Gene I think many people that disagree with my “conservatard” beliefs are entitled to their opinions. Thankfully many are unlike Gene.

  • 11 Gilbert // Jun 29, 2018 at 5:22 pm

    Warren Kinsella, a liberal, is no fan of the prime minister. He has excellent ideas regarding how the Canadian government should have dealt with the United States.

  • 12 Diverdarren // Jun 29, 2018 at 6:53 pm

    Harvey, we have enjoyed 30 or so years of freetrader US Presidents. To compliment we have and still have freetrader Parliamentarians. Now we need to plan our economy with a isolationist President, and a significant part of the American public that supports this new world reality.

    No one can say, “where did this isolationist policy come from?” Trump was very direct about how his Executive was going to handle trade, and he’s been true to his campaign promises.

    Kind of refreshing.

    Maybe, that’s why Canadians and Europeans and the Chinese are having so much trouble with getting their head around the new American trade reality. We’ve become so numb to our leaders saying one thing and doing another, that when a leader says true to their platform we go into shock.

    Canadians need to approach NAFTA negotiations knowing the US could care less about freetrade under Trump.

    It’s a simple question.

    Do you want Canada to trade with the largest economy? Do you want preferential trading status with that largest economy? If you answer yes, then realize the US can trade with anyone on the planet. What does Canada produce that can’t be sourced from another competitive nation? Our only advantage is our proximity to the US, but in a world of global shipping that advantage gets less and less important. That gives the US the upper hand, and our PM and negotiators need to accept this.

    If your answer was no, to trade to the US, and boycott, and breaking ties to the US; then who would you suggest will replace the US as our new trading partner? Venezuela? Maybe Iceland?

    Canada is a great country, with good people. We have a G7 economy. But know that it’s the smallest G7 economy by GDP of the bunch. 1.8Trillion to the US 15.7T. The number 2 is Japan with 6Trillion.

    Let those numbers soak in!

    Now, hands up everyone that wants a trade war. We need to get over our personal feelings for Trump. What’s in Canada’s best interests this Canada Day is to make a deal with the US.

    (Response: Trade works two ways. You seem to sell short the importance of Canada to the US economy. Despite the wide disparity in population sizes, we ARE their largest (some say second largest) trading partner. Despite global shipping etc… it would be really hard to sell all that American produce WE BUY overseas … not to mention in freshness and transportation costs and market saturation issues. And along with perishables there are an estimated 9 million other US jobs that owe their existence to sales/trade with Canada. Many Americans say they are really worried about imports … but then head off to stores to buy them no …. and they also don’t seem to understand the importance of EXPORTS …that have helped give them the highest GDP in the world. Clearly they have to get a message from the EU and Canada to educate them… and they’ll NEVER get it if we just cave in and let bully Trump keep kicking us around without kicking back. h.o.)

  • 13 Eldon // Jun 29, 2018 at 9:59 pm

    I have a friend who is a farm worker and was very much a Trump supporter. 2 months ago I tried to explain to him that Trump’s goal is to wreak havoc on his dairy industry, this person would not hear that. I was pleasantly surprised when I saw him this week that he now despises Trump. I think there is merit to Harvey’s argument that if we make Trump’s followers feel their industry is threatened, they will turn on him.

    (Response: It may be fun for some to be in the crowd and hear the bigot president tear down and attack others, including your largest trading partner, but if they get their own layoff notices, they won’t find it all so funny. h.o.)

  • 14 e.a.f. // Jun 29, 2018 at 10:08 pm

    Happy Canada Day

    Now BMCQ, Kinsella maybe a Liberal but he is not happy with Trudeau and in my opinion it doesn’t have much to do with his policies, but rather Kinsella is “out of the loop” and expected to be back in. Kinsella’s best before date has come and gone. Trudeau has newer people working for him. Kinsella is free to wax on about his years with former P.M.s but its getting kind of old.

    Have always purchased Canadian first regardless of price. Don’t purchase made in a whole raft of countries. You can find it made in other countries or do with out. You’d be surprised what Taiwan and Europe makes.

    In my opinion Trump is simply doing Putin’s bidding when it comes to the G 7, NAFTA, NATO, etc. Putin wants it all gone and Trump is only too happy to accommodate him. Trump will sell out his own country if it benefits him. Trump is constantly flapping his gums about manufacturing in other countries. He is a hypocrite because he has all his own products made off shore as does his daughter. His daughter has factories in China and has been receiving her trade marks on every thing from dresses to caskets. Trump is an opportunist and isn’t interested in his country. AS the news was pointing out tonight, even his campaign, he stole it from Pat Buchanan from back in the early 90s.

    We may be a small country, but then so is Switzerland and they do fine. We have 36M people and a huge land base, good standard of living, great health care system in spite of my complaining.

    Many AMericans are upset about what Trump is saying about Canadians and don’t support him at all. I’d suggest it may simply be which American you are speaking to and what their politics are. Watching trump while he is speaking at rallies is like watching a drunk discuss politics, sex, and religion at a party. The man makes up his information as he goes along. regarding his comments on Air Force One, on who isn’t paying their “fair” share in NATO and he sited Spain. Well Spain, with all its financial problems is one of the countries which does meet its 2% obligation.

    Canada needs to beef up its armed forces, get a whole raft of new subs, armaments, and consider nuclear weapons. we can not rely on the U.S.A. IF Trump has his way, he and his dictator “friends” will plan a new world where the autocrats rule and that will be about it. We have a democracy and need to ensure we continue to have it. We truly are an incredible country. As to Trudeau, love him, hate him, no comment or opinion, he is the P.M. the people of this country voted him into office, so suck it up and get behind him until the next election.

    (Response: Everyone should read the following …how HEINZ turned its back on Canada, threw 700 workers at its ketchup plant out of work, and how French’s stepped into the breach, opening a Canadian plant and using 100% Canadian tomatoes Perfect example how WE can make choices to buy Canadian … the power of one multiplied by a hundred thousand! h.o)

  • 15 13 // Jun 30, 2018 at 7:33 am

    So Canada needs to have some nukes. HMMM? I can see it now . Our very own “FAT BOY” atomic bomb purchased at a garage sale from some test site in Nevada.
    Strap that puppy to the bottom of one of our mighty military Sikorsky helicopters.
    Our enemy will be paralyzed with fear thinking that damned Canadian helicopter will crash on us. They will then realize it is actually a long range delivery system for the dreaded Canadian Nuclear ATTACK force.

  • 16 BMCQ // Jun 30, 2018 at 7:34 am

    Hawg – 7

    Courage of Principle?

    Would you be in agreement with a similar Refusal of Service Action by any Retailer, Restaurant, Service Station, or other similar enterprise who turned away NDP Politicians, Sari Wearing Individuals, Irish People, Jewish People, People of Colour, LGBTQ, or any other Group that an establishment singled out for whatever reason they could think up?

    To me Actions like that are no different than My Son and I being turned down for Service at a Lunch Counter in 1966 Selma Alabama.

    I would very much appreciate it if you could clarify and explain the “Courage of Principle “ Comment.

    Enquiring Minds would like to know.


    I sort of enjoyed your Post 9

  • 17 13 // Jun 30, 2018 at 7:43 am

    @eaf Re your we voted for Trudeau so suck it up comment.
    Almost as funny as our soon to be arsenal of nuclear weapons.
    People voted for Trudeau based on his campaign promises and his image.Justin has failed on a few promises but his prior groping of a female reporter 18 years ago was not part of his election BIO. By Justins OWN pompous claim that time pasting does not allow us to forgive former bad behavior towards women he is guilty and should resign and try to get help for his deviant behavior.

  • 18 John's Aghast // Jun 30, 2018 at 8:36 am

    BMWQ -5
    How in the world do you find the time – to “talk to Literally Dozens of Americans every week in about 12 of 20 different States…”?
    What about the other 8 different States?
    Why don’t you talk to them?
    Would you talk to them if they were the same States?
    Although we seldom see eye to eye, I wish you and your Unionized B.C. Manufacturing Company a happy and prosperous Canada Day!

  • 19 Harry Lawson // Jun 30, 2018 at 8:49 am


    Happy Canada day to all.

    We are so fortunate to live in Canada .

    BCMQ Kudos on such a astute post and follow ups.

    Harvey I find your call to buy Canadian some what hypocritical , We as Canadians call Trump a protectionist . What about Canada a big stumbling block with NAFTA is Canada’s supply management system . Yes marketing boards , if Trump gets his way on the dairy file Canadian families. Will save $ 400 to $600 a year.

    I do not hear you or others suggest boycotting China .

    (Response: There is nothing wrong with anyone urging people to Buy Canadian or Buy American (they’ve had campaigns like that for years) or Buy British etc. The problem arises when a country takes direct action, under a phony trumped-up “national security” argument against a country it supposedly has a free trade agreement with to punish and penalize that country’s products. That not only warrants … but demands a reaction. As for the supply management system, like you I am not happy paying higher prices here than I do in Florida: but I realize we have a much smaller consumer market for dairy, eggs etc spread out over a huge country … and without quotas guaranteeing sales, most of our small dairy farms (and families) … a very important part of our national fabric and history, would go under or, worse, have to sell out to one or two large corporations, that would then have Canadian consumers by the eggs …with about the same competition we get from the oil companies! h.o.)

  • 20 Gene The Bean // Jun 30, 2018 at 10:57 am

    Interesting how this topic has really brought out people’s true colours (note Canadian spelling).

    Siding with Trumpistan over your own country and it’s citizens is ummm, so …. what’s the word I am looking for …. ummmm, C’mon folks, someone help me out….

    I think they all belong to one spectrum of politics though, anyone else find that funny, or predictable?

    Just another box check for the morally bankrupt – they make the arguement better than I do!

  • 21 Hawgwash // Jun 30, 2018 at 11:29 am

    BMCQ, your reply at post 16 is a prime example of reading stuff that ain’t written.

    At post 7, I typed 4 words, took no side and made no yea or nay comment. You, as usual, went waaaaaay out there, translated it into a political side taking which gives license slice and dice.

    The man had a principle, stood by it, lost his job and is not sorry. He owns his action and the resultant consequences. The end.

    That to me is better than the 90 percenters who, like Eldon’s farmer friend, clomp, clomp along, giving little thought to any issue until it affects them.

    Hypocrisy is second only to greed in our society, as can be demonstrated by the number of people who still post whiney “shares” on a corrupt, invasive Facebook in an iconic US Starbucks, because both make them happy in the moment.

    And, on that note, in case you missed it, giving Starbucks a pass because they get their coffee from outside the US, is not only hypocritical but the most scarlet of herrings the size of Moby Dick.

  • 22 13 // Jun 30, 2018 at 2:31 pm

    Hawg, if I may offer an opinion on the unfortunate restaurateur that lost his job over his principles.
    I wonder how many other people he has refused to serve because of his principles. The gentleman that wore the MAGA hat is owed an apology. The manager should count his blessings he not looking at human rights violations.
    I see you might have confused HO and BMCQ on the Starbucks hypocrisy.

  • 23 Hawgwash // Jun 30, 2018 at 2:48 pm

    Now we start to see the seedy greedy side of this issue; price gouging. No point making a long list when all I have to do is point out that Minute Maid orange juice, a product made in Canada with Brazilian oranges just jumped 30%.

  • 24 BMCQ // Jun 30, 2018 at 3:22 pm

    Aghast – 18

    Look, I would never intentionally Lie or Mislead anyone about anything I might Post on this Blog.

    I have been and probably will again make the odd mistake and I have no problem whatsoever admitting a mistake if it is pointed out that I am wrong.

    I am at work each and every day at about 5 AM and am regularly in contact with people wherever the Company Ships Product. Logic would tell most that I speak to some Groups/Companies more than others simply because of how much attention is needed to anyone Company.

    I also speak to some more than others because I have a Personal Relationship with various People we do business with.

    We export $ Millions of Dollars of Product to the U.S. and I can in fact state that the Product is distributed and sold in every single Coastal City in Canada and the U.S., That is a FACT and it cannot be disputed.

    I am quite sure Harvey knows enough about what I do that if he thought I was telling an untruth he would challenge or delete my comments or false claims relating to business.

    The reason I comment about business is to simply give context some background to some of my commentary.

    I know you Hawgwash and the Bean do not like me and that is fine with me but believe me when I make a statement here I am attempting to offer honest factual commentary to further the argument, discussion, and debate.

    BTW – I also do business with people that Hate and Despise DJY and Politics is not discussed. It is not difficult to become attuned to most people’s political views.

    As I stated up the page my Company is getting support/sales from several U.S. Companies that would prefer to buy from my Canadian Company as opposed to our Chinese Based Competitor.

    I do not purchase Japanese Product partially for Personal Reasons and the fact that a year or two ago Harvey brought up criticisms of Japanese Fishing Practices, so I stopped purchasing Japanese Manufactured product totally at that point. If that could not be avoided I would consider purchasing Japanese product.

    We purchase CNC Equipment and other machinery such as Die Casting machines. We prefer to purchase U.S. made, then South Korean, then Taiwanese, then German.

    Again, I want People/Corporations in Australia, the U.S., The EU where we ship a significant amount of product to, the Middle East, the Philippines, Greece and others to purchase our Canadian Made Product and I DO NOT believe it makes sense for Canadian Consumers to Boycott U.S. Manufactured Product because they are responsible for purchasing 75% of Canadian Products and logic tells me that in a “Tit for Tat” Canada would be harmed much more than the U.S.

    I have been doing this for a while and I have a lot at stake and I know how it works.

    If you choose to argue that FACT you are kidding yourself. Harvey is Incorrect on this one.

    Funny enough we had a Fund Raiser at our home last night for “Kids for Cancer’ where about 60 People attended. We had about 20 U.S. Visitors here from Seattle, Houston, Dallas, Charlotte, San Diego, and Akron.

    Out of that the Division was about 10 against DJT, about 1 Lukewarm to him and about 7 in support of Borders, Control of Migration. and support of the Fight Against Tariffs.

    out of that there was a handful that agreed with much of Trumps Legislation but did not like him personally. Something to consider.

    Harry – 19

    Thanks, I always attempt to be honest and objective before forming an opinion, and I do not mind changing my mind or even evolving on any given opinion of any subject.

    I do my best to be balanced and see the Big Picture but I am not quite as good at it as you, 13, DBW (although we seldom agree), and Harvey, but I do my best to offer what I can.

    Bean – 20

    I would NEVER choose to side with Canada because it is My Country and Place of Birth just because it is My Country, that makes absolutely NO sense.

    Sometimes Governments can be Wrong and ONE MUST Oppose.

    I would like to think that if I was German and living there in that Country in 1939 I would have had the Courage to Speak out against and oppose the Freely Elected Hitler Government and his Brown Shirts and their Heinous Atrocities but I honestly do not know if I would have had the courage. I am blessed that I was not in the position to step up. I honour those that did.

    For anyone to suggest that One should support their own Government Just Because it is One’s Country is Silly and Juvenile.

    How often DID YOU Oppose the Harper federal Government?

    Are You suggesting that U.S. Citizens support the Boorish, Bullying, Rude, Morally Bankrupt POTUS Donald J. Trump? That would be the case using YOUR FLAWED LOGIC.

    YOU DARE to Talk about HYPOCRISY? Really?

    AS my old friend NonCon might say, You just can’t make this stuff up!!

    As to Canadian Spelling? Most Computers have a form of Spell-Check and many correct with Favor for Favour.

    Hawg – 21

    I am going to take you for your word, not that you care.

    Having said that, I am quite sure MOST others would have taken your Post the same Way!!

    I still stand by what I said in rejecting Anyone that thinks they have the right to NOT Serve anyone in a Restaurant or other place of Business.

    Full disclosure here, I must admit I am torn about the Bakery Decision at the Supreme Court.

    The Bakery should sell product to anyone even a Morally Bankrupt SOB like me but to actually Design and Build a Cake for myself or anyone else is a tough difficult question to answer.

    Never have been a Starbucks Guy as I feel it is not good value.

    Beside that opinion I honestly believe Howard adds a little bit of “SJW Elixir” to each and every Cup and I do not want to risk the chance of becoming a PM Justin or Mr. Singh Supporter.

    I could never forgive myself.

    No Folks I do not care how much Makeup you Put on the Pig of a Canadian Boycott of U.S. Products coming to Canada it “Does Not Float My Boat” and it would be Catastrophic for Canada and Canadians.

  • 25 BMCQ // Jun 30, 2018 at 3:26 pm

    There is a reason for almost everything.

  • 26 Hawgwash // Jun 30, 2018 at 3:49 pm

    13, you don’t need to do the “may I offer an opinion” thing; you do so anyway. And it is fine by me.

    But again I say, I offered no position on the correctness or ethics of the case; didn’t say whether I thought it was a good, bad or even educted decision. I was just pointing to someone seemingly willing to go outsde the folding.

    He may well not have heard the end of it being that I suspect the wearer had a neck to match the hat.

    Your labelling me confused is misplaced. My words to ‘Q were; “in case you missed it.” Now, would he have missed it if he had writ it? Actually, yeah, maybe he would have.

    Happy CD 13, may you always have lead in your pencil.

  • 27 D. M. Johnston // Jun 30, 2018 at 5:04 pm

    Amen Harvey!

    Too many Canadians have become Americanized and pretend there is no danger from the excited states.

    The USA is not the friendly neighbour as many would have us think, rather the excited states is a colonial archaism, complete with Jim Crow racism and xenophobic politicians.

    There is also growing evidence, that if was not for the 2nd world war, the USA would have annexed Canada by the 1960’s

    Trudeau should immediately limit health care benefits to 30 days a year if one visits the USA.

    Trudeau should also draw much closer to the EU and expand trade across the Atlantic.

    Empires come and go, Greek, Roman, and on and on and the American Empire is more of the same and Trump is a reflection of the American desperately holding onto the American myth as their Empire sinks in the evening sun.

    Canadians must defend their country, which means vacation in Canada, buy Canadian and encourage the Canadian identity.

    I veiw Canada and the USA as experiments where 1 colony broke away in a revolutionary manor and still fighting the same revolution 200 years later, while the other colony slowly developed its own manner, and carefully honed a reasonably peaceful country, where many have rights, that those down south only dream of.

    Want to support Trump. move down South, but for gawd sakes do not support this vile grifter, from the comfort of your Canadian home.

  • 28 D. M. Johnston // Jun 30, 2018 at 5:15 pm

    After again reading a few replies about how the average voter supports Trump, something very chilling is happening.

    Example, a friend of mine who lives and works in the USA and I have known for almost 40 years, has acquired a holiday home a stones throw from the Canadian boarder.

    The reason, antisemitism is on the rise and some of the vile rhetoric from mainly GOP types is scaring her. You see she is Jewish and since Trump has been elected the term “dirty Jew” has now come into her daily life.

    My friend is not orthodox nor even Kosher, but where she works, she is know as that “Jew person”.

    My friend now has a house a stones throw away from Canada and if things get really bad, they can move North and maybe be a refugee into Canada.

    This is sickening crap, but is happening across the USA at a frightening pace.

    (Response: We all know about the bigoted white supremacists … but I have seen no evidence they are growing in any way. I also watch a lot of US news and commentaries and must say I have NOT heard or observed any growth of anti-Semitism. BUT have to admit when I see/hear some of the Trumpites … elected and un-elected, speaking of refugees and immigrants, it does sometimes occur to me these same people would have kept out Jewish refugees fleeing persecution in Europe and would have approved the incarceration of Japanese Americans just because of their nationality. Canada has clearly advanced much more than the US in terms of tolerance and acceptance. h.o)

  • 29 DBW // Jun 30, 2018 at 6:21 pm

    Well Harvey, as usual, I am confused.

    I am confused that some of the same people who compliment you on your decision on principle to boycott Japanese products over the Japanese decision to kill whales are now lecturing you on your decision on principle to boycott American products over the Americans decision to raise tariffs.

    For the record, I am also making conscious decisions to buy and not buy products based on where they come from.

    But, I am also confused that the Supreme Court of the USA sided with the Colorado baker because the Colorado Civil Rights Council showed anti-religious bias yet it upheld Trump’s travel ban in spite of Trump’s anti religious rhetoric.

    I am confused that Sean Hannity when discussing the mass murder at The Annapolis Capital Gazette would chose to mention the rhetoric of Maxine Waters (who encouraged citizens to confront lawmakers in public) but not once mentioned that Trump has repeatedly called the press “the enemy” resulting in the harassment of the press at Trump rallies.

    About the only thing I am not confused about on this long weekend is how grateful I am that I live in Canada.

    (Response: We agree on that: how grateful I OFTEN feel that I live in Canada. I have travelled quite a bit and although I find very many places interesting, fascinating, fun and enjoyable, I ALWAYS actually feel happy as soon as I board a Canada-bound plane, hear we have entered Canadian airspace or when we land in any Canadian city. Yes we have problems … but ours are nothing compared to those in far too many other countries … including the US, which is so divided, so angry, so violent. I like visiting the US, I find most American people very friendly and hospitable regardless of their politics … but I am eternally grateful my grandparents chose Canada, not the US, when they decided to get out of eastern Europe! Happy Canada Day!!! h.o)

  • 30 BMCQ // Jun 30, 2018 at 10:14 pm

    D.M.J. – 28

    Your Friend should consider some facts before she comes to the conclusion that Trump encourages ?Anti-Semitism or is Anti-Semitic himself.

    I was recently in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv and will visit both cities again in October, Trump is a HERO there! POTUS Obama Threw Israel under the Bus and he was hated in that country.

    If your friend thinks Trump is so bad she should then ask herself why Israel is naming their Main Square in Jerusalem after Trump? Don’t you think that might give us a clue of what they think of Yrump in Israel? They did not name it Obama Square did they?

    You and your friend might also take into consideration the fact that Trumps Daughter is married to a Jewish man, Ivana herself converted and both of his Sons until recently were/are Married to Jewish Women, and ALL of his Grandchildren are Jewish!

    Jewish People, LGBTQ, other Religious and Ethnic Minorities are safer in the U.S. than almost any Country in the World.

    You are entitled to your own opinions but you are not entitled to your own set of facts.

    For you and your not so well informed friend to conclude that Trump is somehow Anti-Semitic is nothing less than Absured and in fact it is absolutely laughable and mind blowing.

    When I am in Jerusalem next October I will send you and your friend a very nice Photo of Donald J. Trump Square.

  • 31 Crankypants // Jul 1, 2018 at 12:02 am

    Happy Canada Day everyone.

    Let’s hope that saner heads prevail sooner rather than later with these tariff tiffs. The only losers will be the ultimate consumers of whatever goods they may have to purchase and those that lose jobs that will inevitably happen until some semblance of order is restored.

  • 32 Keith // Jul 1, 2018 at 7:49 am

    As Henry Kissinger said years ago:

    “America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests”

    If we take care of Canada, Canada will take care of us.

  • 33 BMCQ // Jul 1, 2018 at 8:10 am

    **Happy Canada Day Harvey**

    Thank you for all of your efforts with the Blog, you perform a Great Public Service!

    You have the respect and thanks of who knows many people that participate by either reading and or Posting on Keeping it Real.

    I would also very much like to wish Almost All others that participate in one way or another on Keeping it Real a Wonderful and Happy Canada Day!

    Hawgwash, Aghast, and Bean –

    FYI – We are holding a BBQ at our Home today for over 60 people, if you can find my House you are more than welcome to attend.

    I will be the Guy wearing the Canadian Flag Tie and the Red and White MAGA Hat!!

    I would also like to take this opportunity to wish OUR American Brothers and Sisters a very Happy Fourth of July!

  • 34 John's Aghast // Jul 1, 2018 at 9:42 am

    BM – I didn’t for a minute suspect that you were being deceitful, or that you would LIE or MISLEAD us.
    I merely queried how you managed to cram all that activity into 7 days. I too arise at 5:00 am but its doubtful that I talk to more than a handful of folks a week, and I don’t have to manage a Unionized B.C. Manufacturing Company, let alone leave long and detailed comments on h.o.’s blog.
    Time management is lacking I guess.

  • 35 Hawgwash // Jul 1, 2018 at 11:23 am

    ‘Q, thank you for the invite and while your house is not at all hard to find, today is not a seniors sail free day so, it’s not worth the $50, ferry, transit, mini maple leaf flag and Pepto-Bismol.

  • 36 13 // Jul 1, 2018 at 12:19 pm

    Ill fill in the blank
    Happy Canada Day to you __C_. When that BBQ with Aghast and Hawg happens I would drive the 16 passenger bus from the ferry terminal to your place.
    Likely be a day that would live in infamy.

  • 37 nonconfidencevote // Jul 1, 2018 at 6:18 pm

    Happy Canada Day everyone1
    As much as I whine and moan about our politicians…I’m proud to say I’m a Canadain.

    Total agreement with your comments about a trade war….. our population is 10% of the US…..any boycotts may feel good but the backlash would be much more painful.

    China is the real target in this trade dispute.
    And if Trump has to burn bridges with allies to make that happen…..he will.

    China objective is nothing more than trade dominance. They want their place in the sun and normally most people wouldnt have a problem with that…..but they are a communist dictatorship.
    Their theft of intellectual property, closed border negotiation tactics, human rights abuses, on and on and on.
    China ISNT our friend. Never forget that.
    I find China’s military buildup and their justification for it in the South China Sea disturbing and possibly the precursor to an accidental world war.

    Personally I find Trump a boorish pig.
    But as much as I admire Obama …… his “appeasement” policies were a foreign policy disaster.

  • 38 D. M. Johnston // Jul 1, 2018 at 10:28 pm

    @BMCQ #30

    You have lovely knack of twisting everything around to suit your own ends.

    Just a little bit of history. A certain German Fuehrer was very popular in the United States in the 30’s as his policies resonated with much of the population. Personalities like ford and Lindberg, openly supported this funny little man with the funny little mustache.

    Fact is this support continued until Dec. 7, 1941.

    Trump is no friend of Canada and those who thinks he is are living in a dream world.

    Trumps goal is very simple, destroy the will of the people by making them nothing more than peons.

    As for my friend, too many of her relatives were murdered by Russians in pogroms; too many dies in the death camps; it is ingrained what to watch for and it is happening as we speak.

  • 39 BMCQ // Jul 2, 2018 at 9:08 am

    D.M.J. – 38

    You are Deflecting!

    You are attempting to Spin the Story so it suits Your False and Untruthful Narrative to Paint Trump and his Administration as Anti-Semitic, Racist of Other Ethics, and Religiously Intollerant.

    I will come back at you a little later when I am settled but seeing as you chose to specifically comment above I will ask you to DENY the Facts that Trumps Daughter is Married to a Jewish Man, his Sons are Married to Jewish Women, Trumps Grandchildren ALL have Jewish Blood, Trump NOT Failed POTUS Obama is a Hero in Israel and to Jewish People, the Square in Jerusalem is named after Trump not Obama, and Jews, LGBTQ, Religious Minorities, Any Ethnic Minority, and even Communists are NO safer anywhere in the World than probably Canada, Israel, and Trumps United States.

    I eagerly await your rejection of any of those Facts.

    As I earlier Stated, You and Your Friend with the Washington Cabin are allowed your own Opinions by the Bushel but you ARE NOT allowed your Own Set of Facts.

    FYI – I also lost Relatives to Hitler and others in Europe, you should understand that not many can claim that exclusively.

    You are your Friend have absolutely NO Evidence of anything close to what you describe as “Happening as We Speak”.

    That statement is Preposterous and I am embarrassed for you. Talk to some survivors that actually survived Camps and you would understand what I mean.

    Just as I told you last year when you referred to former Canadian PM Harper as “Herr Harper” you find it far to easy to use Heinous and Dispicable Labels around when Branding Politicians.

    I also told you then that I have actually Touched and Felt the Camp Tattoos On People’s Arms and it changed My Life Forever.

    Frankly I am a little disturbed that more on this Blog do not challenge you on your silly, hateful, juvenile, and very inflammatory statements.

    NonCon -37

    I hope Hawgwash does not mind me saying this but Great to have you back, your voice is important on this Blog.

    I am very very happy to see that you understand what the whole Trade War/Issue is about.

    China has been Unfair and outright Criminal toAlmost ALL World Nations when it comes to their own Import Tariffs, they steal Intellectual Property, Mis Label ?Food Products to the point some that eat Chinese Food Products many may actually be eating “Soylent Green”, they ship Fentanyl to North Merica throufg Mexico without any restrictions or Legal risk, they ship inferior and in fact counterfeit Steel and other Metal Fabricated Product World Wide and they cannot be trusted to maintain ANY Industry Standards period.

    Yes Yrump can be somewhat Boorish, Thin Skinned, Orange and the rest but the Disengaged, Dithering and so obviously Impotent Failed POTUS Obama ignored his Own American People, world problems like ISIS, the Middle East, the collapse of the EU, the rise of China Militarily, and everything else other than State Dinners for Jay Z, Beyoncé, Tom Hanks, Anderson Cooper, Oprah, Richard Branson, Clooney, and a multitude of other Wealthy SJW Snowflakes and things have become more ugly than ever.

    Trump as rude and difficult as he is will address China Trade, other Trade Imbalances, ISIS, the Border, Migration, Immigration, and many more things that have been ignored for far too long.

    Hate Trump, oh yes, but watch just how soon Other Free World Leaders will One by One attach themselves to and emulate most of his policies including National Securities, Human Rights, Trade Fairness, Migration, Immigration, Border Security, Policing of China, and many more.

  • 40 Hawgwash // Jul 2, 2018 at 1:09 pm

    BMCQ, (sometimes) you make no sense at all. To infer I have some dislike for nonconfidencevote is quite absurd. I have always enjoyed reading his comments, here and on other public forums, which he and many others on here, have participated in. See, most here are not one blog wonders. We are not disqualified from participating in other public forums.

    nonconfidencevote has always been clear, thoughtful, articulate and not self-serving. He (she?) has always presented coherent viewpoints which I more than once disagreed with.

    nonconfidences absence was not prefaced by words to the effect “blog host, I am disappointed in you and if you don’t want me here, if you love Bean more than me, I will take my ball and go home.”

    Yes nonconfidencevote; welcome back. I agree with you, we cannot win a trade war with the US, but we should not just stand and allow them to piddle on our penny loafers. We should at least stand on their toes while they do it.
    As for Mr. Johnson, BMCQ, I read him as saying Trump allows and encourages racism, bigotry, anti-anything that is not white or right. His own attitude, words and behaviour foments hatred.

    (Response:It’s particularly sad for me to see to see a few people on here …at a time when our cou8ntry is under attack … getting into personal pettiness issues. It’s a disservice to the credibility of blogging, to other readers, to the importance of the issue we are facing … and to our country. h.o.)

  • 41 BMCQ // Jul 2, 2018 at 2:26 pm


    In my humble opinion I believe China is a “Clear and Present Danger’ To the Free World.

    Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43, and in particular Obama did not pay attention to the China Theft of Intellectual Property, Military Expansion, Manipulation of their Currency, The Export of Counterfeit, Off Spec, Inferior Manufactured Product, Illegal Synthetic Drugs and Pharmaceuticals, False Labelling of many dangerous ?Food Products and too many others to list.

    Trump is currently addressing ALL of those and he WILL Win. Some wonder why he did not he did not include Canada and other Trade Allies in this His War against China and only he can answer that. Perhaps he should have approached Canada and the rest to unite against China but then again he may have done just that and Canada, the EU, ?México, and the rest are BEHIND the Scenes Plotting with Trump to bring China into Line, we do not know that and we can only speculate.

    Please do not accuse me of not defending Canada simply because I do not agree with you on this. I have been doing this for a while now and as i have stated I do have a Dog in this Fight. Each and every day I risk a lot, it is not easy and I am good at it. Do you think I am at work each day before 5:00 AM because I hate my Bed?

    No on can accuse me of being a Bad Canadian, ask anyone that knows me, works with me, or anyone that benefits from the odd Charitible thing I do.

    I happen to differ from you and others that post here that does not make me incorrect.

    I simply differ from you on this and I DO know Trump is doing the tight thing for theU.S., Canada, and the rest of the Free World.

    I will always defend myself when attacked or criticized if I feel I have been wrongly Vilified. I am kind but not weak, please do not confuse the two.

    Hawgwash – 40

    Re-read your Own Posts On any thread when addressing me and criticize when I compliment Harvey on what I feel is a very well written Blog Post Essay Topic like the last one, you criticize me. Why? You even refer to it as Grading. Don’t you think Harvey appreciates the odd “Adda Boy” if someone thanks and shows appreciation for something well written and thoughtful? What about you, if I thought you ever wrote do etching thought provoking I would easily compliment you.

    Bean despises me but even he might recall that I once congratulated him ob posting one of the top five comments I have seen on this Blog.

    I simply took a sarcastic crack at you when I welcomed NonCon back.

    My comments to D.M.J stand, he did refer to former PM Harper as Herr Harper on two ocassions and now calls Trump basically Anti-Semitic. I now repeat if that is the case why is most of his Family Jewish one way or another, why is he a Hero in Israel, and why do the Jewish People call him a Hero and Celebrate him by naming aSquare in his Honour?

    D.M.J. Will continue to hide under his Desk and not address the facts I present by offering up a silly juvenile deflection of sorts.

    Do you want to prove wrong on that?

    Again, welcome back NonCon, even though we do not agree on everything I believe you might get my points here.

    I believe Harvey owes me the right to have this posted, if I am deemed off topic so be it.

    Would you rather I not be here Hawg? Would that set you free?

    And lastly, my apologies for daring not to simply fall in line with the 90% here that for several small minded reasons hate Trump and anything American.

  • 42 Gene The Bean // Jul 2, 2018 at 3:30 pm

    Harvey, your response to #40 is so true.

    We are under attack and it is a very serious issue with potentially very serious consequences for the entire world. We need to stand together and contribute to our economic security in any way we can. The fact that Trumistan is 10X bigger is not relevant when you are threatened, bullied and insulted. Those celebrating Trumpism and all that he stands for are the enemy as well.

    We just need to make it to November, when a little neutering will take place. Then, in 2020, this stain will be gone.

    Heinz is running ads back east saying we shouldn’t be boycotting their ketchup. When I heard what Heinz did, I switched to French’s. Obviously so did a lot of other people. This proves even as individuals, as you have pointed out, we have power.

    We stand on guard for thee.

    (Response: Thanks. I am now looking at the labels and signs saying where our groceries are coming from …and then I stand up for Canada….and I FEEL GREAT! Nothing personal…as I’ve said I used to like the US very much and I still really like most of the American people. But when any country’s leader and many of his top officials spit in Canada’s face, ignore how we’ve stood by them in some very tough times, hurl insults at us and then try to HARM us economically …for NO valid reason at all …. TIME TO STAND UP FOR OUR GREAT COUNTRY AND OUR COUNTRY’S CITIZENS WHO HAVE BEEN WOUNDED BY THE US ATTACKS. h.o.)

  • 43 Hawgwash // Jul 2, 2018 at 5:24 pm

    Harvey, my apologies. The inference that I dislike someone was middle school and I reacted in kind, I’m sorry.

  • 44 Helena Handcart // Jul 2, 2018 at 6:52 pm

    Hi Harvey,
    Your response to #40 is timely. I enjoy reading your thoughtful commentary and you are a daily stop for me, but the comments are becoming farcical. Does one really need 9 verbose ramblings from our old friend BMCQ to get his point across. I suggest that brevity would help his arguments.I think that he commented over a dozen times on the PR topic. (I lost count). Not one of them added to my understanding of the issue. I know that you set the rules, but have mercy on us and please put a limit on the number of contributions. I would gladly try to undertand some of his points, but BMCQ is too tough for me.

    (Response: I try to allow free discussion on the topics, and don’t want to censor or restrict anyone’s right to post even several times IF they at least stay close to topic.But as you can see sometimes that’s not easy! 🙂 Might I suggest you just ignore and pass over postings from any contributor once you feel they’ve made their point or you just don’t want to read them. h.o)

  • 45 13 // Jul 2, 2018 at 9:18 pm

    tRump/ Trumpistan/ “those celebrating……are the enemy as well” Author GTB

    Helena I find it odd that I see a variety of people asking Harvey to censor other peoples posts. Kudos to Harvey for allowing EVERYONE a lot of latitude in these discussions.
    I also post a lot and its hard to stay on topic. Hard because when a comment that claims if your not of my opinion you are the enemy. That sort of dribble is annoying, and its probably meant to be annoying. It adds nothing to the discussion but it kicks the door open to respond to bizarre comments such as that.
    Harvey has good advice. If you dont want to be annoyed just skip certain posters you dont like.
    I have to admit that I usually read the ones I dislike . Sort of like glancing at a car wreck, its hard not to look.

  • 46 e.a.f. // Jul 2, 2018 at 10:41 pm

    It isn’t as if the U.S.A. can be counted on any more by any of their “allies”. If we are not prepared to defend ourselves, should push come to shove, we will be in trouble. We have seen Trump break treaties, speak very negatively of former allies and then act as if Kim 3 is he best new friend. He takes the word of Putin over the word of his own intelligence departments.

    We saw what happened when his son in law met in Saudi Arabia. it did not turn out well for the other countries.

    If you think having our own nuclear weapons is funny, its not. How else do you think we would defend ourselves sitting between Russia and the U.S.A.? Wait for China to come to our rescue.

    Trump is a wack job and controls a very large armed forces, ditto Putin. If Russia makes incursions into our northern waters, do you really think the U.S.A. is going to pay much attention? You can’t trust dictators. You couldn’t trust Hitler to not invade. You couldn’t trust Mussolini. If you do not learn from history you are bound to repeat it.

    If you have a look at some American/Canadian history you will see the americans were looking and preparing if necessary to invade Canada as late as the 1930. Then WW II happened.

    (Response: I don’t think anyone, any country … including the US … can depend on Trump to do what’s best for the world or even US interests. It’s ALL about Trump when it comes to Trump… just look at the meeting with Kim: the US got NOTHING tangible in return for the giant photo op, where the US cancelled military exercises, gave Kim increased world stature … and he gave NO firm agreement/schedule to stop developing his missile/nuclear system. It’s like Trump is on a reality TV show, and if flashy scenes or smashing up everything around him gets BIG ratings, that’s all he cares about. Trump and Trumpites point to US economic growth, low unemployment … but that is just continuing a trend that started 8 years ago … not a year ago. The bridges he has detonated between the US and the EU and Canada will only isolate the US … economically (Read the labels!) and politically. h.o.)

  • 47 John's Aghast // Jul 3, 2018 at 7:02 am

    Harvey, your response to Helena – 44 is a very easy solution to avoiding stress. Mostly I practise your advise but if in an idle moment I don’t, I realize I waste a lot less time in reading than I do in composing.

  • 48 D. M. Johnston // Jul 3, 2018 at 9:00 am

    My fear is that the USA will implode.

    This is not talking through my hat, as I think the USA is on the brink.

    Trumps election is due mainly to the former white middle class, whose economy has vanished and now rely on corn pone Evangelical religion and grifter televangelists for their political doctrine.

    That doctrine is fear; fear of outsiders; fear of education; fear of science; fear of not being what they were once.

    Thus Trump has taken on the Canadians to garner votes as Canadians are mean to them; Canadians smuggle; Canadians cheat.

    The only person who is gaining from this tirade is Putin.

    Trump wants to be the strong man; the El Supremo, thus gravitates to dictators and other perceived strong men running countries.

    The man completely lost touch with reality and with a utterly corrupt GOP, Trump is getting his own way.

    The problem with strongmen and their ilk is that appeasement does not work, because the El Supremo wants more to enhance his strongman position.

    Anyone remember “Peace in Our time”.

    As I have said before, and not practicing “Duck and Cover”, is that the USA is on course to implode and Canada and Canadians must do the best to insure themselves from the fallout.

    I am afraid the Abortion issue will light the fuse, with a stacked conservative court. I think all hell will happen, as does my friend who bought a cabin a stone throw from the 49th.

    So, my last word, be prepared and holiday in Canada and encourage our domestic economy!

    (Response: There is growing belief that Putin indeed DOES have something on Trump. Watch the NATO meeting and his subsequent meeting with Putin. It’s really hard to believe this is happening …not with President Bernie Sanders …but with a Republican president …and almost all the Republican Congress members and Senators say/do NOTHING! Shame on them! h.o)

  • 49 Harry Lawson // Jul 3, 2018 at 11:16 am


    Is putting tariffs on goods a effective resolution process ? The people who will really pay the price is the Canadian consumer. I have recently discovered a British import deli in Langley . Great quality . Fair price.

    (Response: No doubt tariffs add to costs, hurting consumers as well as lessening the competitiveness of products, esp in a global economy. BUT when one trading party tries to bully another by placing tariffs on its products, doing nothing would be admitting guilt and an act of surrender and submission … no doubt encouraging even more assaults. h.o.)

  • 50 e.a.f. // Jul 3, 2018 at 7:26 pm

    Agree with D.M. Johnston #48, the U.S.A. is going to implode if it keeps going the way it is. After the meeting with Putin, where Trump has said he’ll tell Putin everything, I expect Putin to invade either Estonia, Latvia, or Lithuania or all 3. Canada has already sent troops there. They have large Russian populations, Russian wants them back for their ports, and their army can roll through in a couple of days, hence the need for some countries to acquire the new nuclear weapons which have “pin point” technology. They destroy far less and are more accurate.

    Part of the problem; the Democrats have no plan of action and are too fractionalized. another “plant” on the American Supreme Court and it will be over. There will be no release for the build up of pressure. Up until now its been, they could go to the Supreme Court, after the new one is appointed, that is all over.

    thus Canada needs to get its military in order, we need to ensure we can live with out those imports from the U.S.A., because if they implode, their economy will be gone and their transportation infrastructure isn’t great. Canada needs to be able to look after itself . yes, that may mean a lower standard of living, but suck it up. Canada has gotten through a lot and has come out as a wonderful country to live in.

    We might also want to prepare for American political refugees.

    (Response: Every year, American recruiters visit Canadian universities recruiting graduates …esp in the health care field. In March 2017 … I wrote a blog suggesting that, with the US in growing turmoil, Canada should actively reach out with ads and campaigns aimed at America’s concerned, disaffected and downright unhappy educated professionals welcoming them to consider moving to Canada. America’s loss could be Canada’s gain… and the times are even better now for our government to do that … if they had the smarts and guts to do it. You can read my original blog on the topic here: h.o)

  • 51 Crankypants // Jul 3, 2018 at 8:01 pm

    Now it seems that Mr. Trump has the World Trade Organization in his crosshairs. Apparently he thinks that this organization has treated the US unfairly in past dealings.

    (Response: Bullies will never stop ..until others stand up to them. h.o.)

  • 52 BMCQ // Jul 4, 2018 at 6:31 am

    Believe it or not I am not quite as popular as I thought and hoped I might be on this Blog.

    Time for a Break but before I go.

    D.M. J. – 48

    I notice you have not been able to address my comments regarding your good friend attempting to escape Trumpism.

    Perhaps she might consider the following if she wished to escape the Boorish, Morally Bankrupt, Rude, Bullying, Orange Donald Trump.

    I think she would love WHAT IS LEFT OF THE EU. I am quite sure the New Order in The EU would welcome her and her family.

    Here is something from your Heroes at the CBC.ö-reveals-flaws-in-swedish-immigration-system-1.3080484

    Some even believe Anti-Semitism in the EU takes place because the poor Islamic Migrants feel they do not fit in. Sure that makes sense.

    With the Non Migration Policy of PM Justin please begin to expect much of the same in Canada.

    Then of course there is this.

    Any Comment?

    Harvey – 48 – Response

    YIKES !!

    One last question here.

    When any of you travel to The EU, Toronto, Mexico, or even the very Dangerous and Unwelcoming “United States of Orange” do you ever wonder why when you clear Customs and Immigration YOU are required to take off your Belt, Shoes, Empty Your Pockets of Wallets, Coins, Condoms, Dust Mites, Open Laptops for Inspection, take off Hair Pieces, Explain Artificial Hips, Knees, endure X-Rays, provide Passports, Visas, explain why you have two Grapes, a Banana or Apple when at the very same time the EU and Canada are letting in literally Millions of People that have No I.D., Passports, Visas, No Clean Underwear, have no Proof of NO Criminal Convictions, come with Children they cannot prove they are related to, and are not vetted in so many other ways?

    Please think about what I just stated in the last paragraph. Sure that makes sense does it not?


    And you wonder why Trump and 70% of the American People of ALL Ethnic Origins want control of Migration and Borders.

    As to Harvey’s comments about seeking out Educated U.S. People wanting to move to Canada?

    Good Luck, it is not happening.

    People from all over the World are attempting to get to the U.S. and Statistics prove that.

    You are entitled to have your own Opinions but you are not entitled to your own set of facts.

    It is obvious that the whole Trade Tariff and Trade War Scenario will need to play out before any of us proved correct but trust me Trump is on the correct path.

    Just think how much better this Blog will be without me taking up important space from serious and worthwhile Contributors like Aghast and Helena for the next while.

    I am sure they will have no problems at all offering constructive, informative, thought provoking, and educational commentary in my temporary absence.

    I will still be reading and I am really looking forward to the positive effect Helena and Aghast have on this Blog, I am sure things will soon be much better.

    Oh and one last thing here D.M.J.

    When was the last time you saw a group of 100 or so American Citizens run down to the Beach in Miami, cobble together a Raft out of old Cigar Boxes and Row off to Cuba, Venezuela, NOKO, Sweden, or any other Valhalla of Socialism and PC thinking?

    I am also quite sure that ALL of you that spend some of the Winter in Florida or anywhere else in the U.S. will be reading labels very carefully.

    Whatever happened to Common Sense?

    (Response: Check your facts … more than a quarter of a million Americans have already chosen to move to Canada … and I suspect most of those taking that kind of old action would have indeed been better educated than the average Americans. And these figures were accomplished WITHOUT any campaign or ads urging American professionals who want a less chaotic, safer, healthier and friendlier society to enjoy and bring up their kids in! Imagine if we actually promoted immigration to Canada in the US!! h.o)

  • 53 BMCQ // Jul 4, 2018 at 8:23 am

    Seeing as WE are all still here.

    Two last things here then I will go the way of Larry Bennett.

    Forgot to attach the following earlier.

    (Edited…off topic. h.o.)

  • 54 BMCQ // Jul 4, 2018 at 9:30 am

    You say YOU want Facts?

    The TOTAL number of U.S. Citizens Immigrating to Canada goes back an awfully long way. Many Many Years.

    AS of late by MOST People entering Canada from the U.S. ARE NOT U.S. Citizens, they are Illegal Migrants from any number of Nations and IN FACT Hardly if any are Educated or Skilled.

    In Fact MANY are actually Convicted Felons escaping Deportation from the U.S.

    Look Harvey, My Parents were Immigrants to this country and My 29 Year Old Son (Adopted) is only here because Canada allowed his Birth Mother to come to Canada from the South Pacific, I get and am in favour of Legal immigration but please, let’s have some common sense and deal with facts.

    No need to reply Harvey, it appears to me that you are not interested in the facts I put forward or my opinions.

    I stand by my earlier comments where I have always said that “You Provide a Great Public Service”, and I thank you.

    For some reason I do not fit in quite as well as I thought I did.

    Oh well, I can always continue to converse with my friend Mr. Dershowitz.

    (Response: Facts please! You wrote “In Fact MANY are actually Convicted Felons escaping Deportation from the U.S.”. I read EVERY link you listed ..not one claimed that. Are you imitating Trump … just making things up out of whole cloth? PLEASE cite your statistics for your outrageous claim that “MANY” of the quarter of a million US immigrants to Canada ”
    are actually Convicted Felons escaping Deportation from the U.S.” You also seem to miss my point … as CNN reports in your own link ,there has been an increase in Americans moving north: just imagine what it COULD BE if Canada actually mounted a recruitment and advertising drive to attract them! h.o)

  • 55 Gene The Bean // Jul 4, 2018 at 9:37 am

    Harvey, I am interested in how July 4th is played out and celebrated this year. I think it’ll give us a good look at what is coming down the pipe. White power salutes or solemn reflection…..?

    I have an acquaintance who spent a lifetime in the mental health field. He is VERY concerned about what Trump may do, due to his severe narcissistic personality. He just cant take his ball and go home when he perceives not enough people like him (hence all the chest beating “rallies”). Scary.

    Hope you are felling great and well along the road to 100%+ recovery.

    (Response: Much better thanks. Not 100% yet, but out driving and shopping and enjoying social life again. 🙂 As for Trump, the American system has all kinds of checks and balances … but the problem is so many Republican Congress members and Senators and even old Republican supporters are either intimidated have abandoned their principles (that they defended so passionately when Obama was in power!! LOL!) he’s getting away with outright lying, destroying alliances, racism while excusing and even condoning Putin’s and other dictators’ aggression and human rights violations. Probably the saddest state of affairs for America’s worldwide standing and image in decades … while the rich, enjoy their tax cut windfall. h.o.)

  • 56 BMCQ // Jul 4, 2018 at 9:50 am

    And Finally

  • 57 Gene The Bean // Jul 4, 2018 at 11:07 am


    -at the final point or moment; in the end.
    -at last; eventually; after considerable delay


  • 58 Hawgwash // Jul 4, 2018 at 12:21 pm

    I spent the month of May in EU and experienced none of the scrutiny describe in post five two above. I was asked three innocent questions, which I think, were because of my age and that I was travelling alone.

  • 59 e.a.f. // Jul 4, 2018 at 1:00 pm

    Hi Harvey, I remember the post. Canada would benefit immensely from recruiting in the U.S.A. We might want to start with the Dreamers. I don’t remember the exact figures but well over 50% have university education, 16% are home owners. These young people are strivers. Given our shortage of teachers, there is more than one dreamer with a Masters in Education. We need health care professionals, I’m sure many would like to work in Canada and be give the opportunity to become Canadian citizens. Dreamers are doing better than their “American” counterparts.

    As an aging baby boomer, it would be welcome to have more health care professional around. There are 800K Dreamers who may well be expelled from the U.S.A. Lets give them a “path way to citizenship” in Canada. Ready to work and pay taxes, speak English, integrated into N.A. society. Really what more could we want.

    (Response: There are usually two kinds of immigrants: those fleeing poverty and danger … often without much education, skills or resources; and those who are educated motivated more by ideas, ideology, professional or economic opportunities. Not too many people in the Appalachians, deepest poor areas of Louisiana or Mississippi, or the worst parts of inner city America would be looking to immigrate to Canada … but there are MANY in the second category who could be poached if the Canadian government at least threw a line in the water trying to hook them. Just as American recruiters come up here EVERY spring fishing for hires on just about every university campus. h.o)

  • 60 e.a.f. // Jul 4, 2018 at 1:25 pm

    BMCQ, I did get a good laugh out of your line “not entitled to your own facts”. why not orange oaf does all the time. Makes them up as he goes along.

    People who come to the U.S.A. are following the “dream” which really no longer exists. there maybe opportunities to get very rich, but its the distance between that and the poverty. In Canada the chances of attaining these huge riches are reduced, but so is the level of poverty. We have a health care system. Its the single biggest value added item in our lives.

    What we currently see in the U.S.A. are families fleeing violence. they are not MS 13, they are not trafficking in drugs. Trust me, if they were Trump would be holding press conferences every where. Currently the Americans won’t even show the children. they’re hiding them. When you hide the people you arrest, you’re hiding something else also.

    America was once a great country, now not so much. Human rights violations, wanting to make war on other countries. what type of an idiot wants to invade Venezuela because he doesn’t like the government or their drug trade? No one wanted to “invade” Columbia at the height of their drug industry. No talk of invading Mexico because of their cartels.

    The mass shootings in the U.S.A. makes it look like a war zone. If you’re a person of colour being killed by the police or beaten up rises considerably. At least in Canada, when the cops shoot some one they ought not to, they go to trial from time to time.

    MS 13 is a gang, but it is much less dangerous than others within the U.S.A. Let us not forget MS 13 is an L.A. gang. In Chicago there are home grown gangs which are larger and more dangerous than MS 13, but MS 13 sounds so much more dangerous. MS 13 has remained static with approx. 10K members over the last decade. The majority of MS 13 members are under adult age, attack in numbers because they are young and small. They recruit in high schools and prey upon younger children. It has benefited the police agencies in the U.S.A. to vilify them but really, there are much more dangerous and larger gangs in the U.S.A. than we ever hear about. MS 13 just happens to have a major component which is Central American descent.

    People willing to flee Central America and under go such dangerous trips are truly desperate. They’re not looking for jobs, money. They are looking for safety to save the lives of themselves and their children. The U.S.A. just happens to be the first place they think is safe.

    Many of those making the trip through Mexico to the U.S.A. don’t realize they will loose their children or be subjected to the treatment they are. These aren’t criminals. They’re human beings looking to stay alive.

    As one human rights worker said in Europe, if you’re a parent and you think the safest place for your child is a dingy out on the ocean, you’re desperate. In this case I’d suggest if you think walking through Mexico is the safest thing to do for your child, then you’re desperate.

    Canada took in 40K Syrians because they were in a war zone. I’d suggest we take in 40K people from Central America because they too are in a war zone and its much more dangerous because the Syrians at least had refugee camps to go to, in some areas..

    The articles you refer to have their own slant. Some of us read other articles in other publications and come away with other view points and “facts”. as one of my former colleges back in the day, used to say, a preponderance of allegations will some day make a fact.

    Interesting article up on CBC about American Coast Guard vessels stopping Canadian fish boats in Canadian waters to check for undocumented refugees. The Americans are going crazy and its time they were told Canada is Canada and piss off. They do not have our best interests in mind. they are simply flexing muscle to check how far they and Russia can go. Next expect more incursions into our northern waters by the Russians. its time to beef up our military and develop a military such as G.B. and France. We’re going to need it if the orange oaf stays in office and I’d bet money he gets a majority in Nov. along with re lection in 2 yrs unless Mueller gets him first. With the up coming appointment to the American Supreme Court, Americans will be coming to Canada for political refugee status and I do hope we accept all of them.

  • 61 nonconfidencevote // Jul 4, 2018 at 3:01 pm

    My apologies if people missed my comments of late.

    I’ve been very busy at work.

    I still “lurk” out there, just been too busy to comment on all the blog topics….but I did have half a day off this past long weekend so I had time to do laundry AND post a comment!
    Woo hoo!

    (Response: Very flattered that, with limited time, you used some to nourish the blogosphere! h.o)

  • 62 Diverdarren // Jul 5, 2018 at 11:39 am

    Harvey, during the Obama years the commentators and pundits on the right were rightly labeled with Obama derangement syndrome.

    Now with Trump in the Executive, the rhetoric from the left can only be called Trump derangement syndrome. And, the vitriol regarding the United States of America from some commentators is well outside reality. They have allowed their derangement syndrome to create a narrative of the USA that shocks the senses.

    The United States will implode, and Russia and the US will carve up countries, including Canada??? Since evidence is in short supply and conspiracy is the order of the day, I want to say that the Area 51 aliens are the real threat, and are led by Elvis! (Sure, why not.)

    I’m not prepared to say the US is an evil nation simply because I don’t personally like the President, or any other elected official. That’s the equivalent of saying I think Canada is evil because I don’t like Trudeau. That’s deranged.

    We can all criticize policy, but can anyone make a argument that the policies are enacted outside the laws of the land? July 4th was yesterday. Give the Deceleration of Independence a quick read. It lays out when a government becomes despot.

    Does the US still have the inalienable rights to Life , Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness?
    Free elections
    Limited government
    Separation of powers
    Right to assemble and petition
    Autonomous judiciary
    and the list goes on…

    When the American experiment no longer objectively secures these principles for it’s people, only then will there be an argument that the nation has been corrupted.

    Simple because you do not agree with a decision, it does not mean the decision is wrong. If the decision was made justly… It is a just decision, regardless of what you, or I think of the decision.

    Trump has been empowered by the people (as has the Congress and the Judiciary) thru a Constitutional process to make decisions. I may not like the personality of Trump or Obama. Also, there are decisions that both have made that I don’t agree with. However, I can’t point to any action that destroys the truth that, America is imperfect, yet still just and righteous.

    (Response: Acting outside the “laws” of the land … yes. Remember all the Federal Court rulings, at several levels, of the original anti-Muslim laws? And he has also wantonly violated/torn up (is that legal?) agreements signed by the US: most famous the Iran agreement. And what about the “phony” imposition of tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum by declaring Canada “a security risk”. And just today, the WTO ruled the US acted illegally by imposing tariffs on Canadian high grade glossy paper. The US has a strong checks and balances system, but let’s keep it real: when the politicians IN CHARGE the Republicans currently, FAIL to uphold them or even speak against violations, it leaves it to the citizenry … which requires a VERY expensive and multi-year battle. h.o.)

  • 63 Diverdarren // Jul 5, 2018 at 6:12 pm

    Harvey, you’re illustrating my point.

    The President can ban immigration, for a spectrum of reasons, federal law permits it, specifically. The courts applied their power of review, and only OKed a ban that was constitutional (that was just last week)
    That’s the system working. A person may disagree with the decision, but it was arrived justly, thus it’s a just decision.

    The Iran agreement was just that, an agreement. Designed by President Obama. Not a treaty needing Senate approval. It stands to reason, if a president has power to sign such an agreement then a president has power to nullify such an agreement. Obama should have gotten the Senate on board, he didn’t. Obama dodged checks and balances.

    The President has powers confirmed on him to decide what is a security risk. If China is the true security risk what would it make the country that allows itself to be a backdoor into the US for Chinese steel and aluminum?
    I doubt you’ll argue that steel and aluminum aren’t strategic resources.

    As for the WTO, what’s your argument? That the “court” system between nations still works. Decisions get made, they’re subject to review, they get affirmed or overturned. That’s a just system in action.

    It’s a prejudicial conclusion that Executive direction is in some type of violation. Maybe a violation of how you would decide an issue. But that returns to my theme, a decision I don’t agree with is not automatically a wrong decision. The Republicans aren’t necessarily silently opposed, they probably agree with the President.

    President Trump, and to a lesser extent the United States create strong responses that lend to a pathos argumentation. However, objectively the nation is operating as it was designed.

  • 64 Hawgwash // Jul 6, 2018 at 7:50 am

    Gene, I wish I was as sure as you, November will see Thumper neutered. He is doing a pretty good job of inciting those he needs. Judging by his Montana stop he has full license to say and do anything with total impunity.

    As I said earlier, he frightens me now.

    e.a.f. 60
    “not entitled to your own facts” was a Lew original.

  • 65 e.a.f. // Jul 6, 2018 at 1:39 pm

    Hagwash64, thank you for the reminder. Certainly, never my intent to “grab’ some one else’s get lines as my own..

    Diverdarren, at 62. If you don’t think they couldn’t carve up Canada, have a look at history and see which countries carved up other countries. Germany took over almost all of Europe and after the war the “allies” cut the spoils in half, with half of the countries being returned to their citizens, the other half being “given” to the USSR. Prior to that we have the European countries carving up the middle east and each taking a cut to keep their oil companies happy. England was left in charge of that. Its not turned out so well. Then we have the European countries carving up Africa. They’re still dealing with that problem. Now if you go to Asia, the Dutch took Indonesia, and kept it until the 1950s. China, the Hans, took over Twaiwan back around the 14th century. the Dutch wanted it also, but the Hans from China prevailed. Parts of Canada were under dispute between England and the U.S.A. and then Canada and the U.S.A. The U.N. took a part of Palestine and gave it to the Jews and named it Israel but didn’t give much thought to the Arabs and we’ve seen how well that turned out.

    When the Europeans carved up the middle east they left Kurds in Iran, Iraq, and Turkey. They “forgot” to give them their own country. We see how well that has turned out. Portugal and G.B. received parts of China.

    If we go back to Roman times you’ll see who carved up what and when you go back to the middle ages, France and England were for ever “carving” up Europe.

    People haven’t changed. I’ve always enjoyed reading history and believe it repeats itself. The wars have frequently been the same, just the names change.

    Russia once owned Alaska and sold it to the U.S.A. I’m sure they regret that today. Its dangerous to under estimate other countries. That is why, for me, its not beyond the realm of possibility that if given the chance, Russia and the U.S.A. wouldn’t carve up Canada, they thought they could get away with it. Its not like we could do a lot about it. Its not like it hasn’t happened before with England having part of our country and France another. Before that this country was the home of First Nations. Then Europeans came and declared it theirs. History repeats itself.

    As to countries imploding, it happens, just look at history and in more modern history. Not many of us would have thought the USSR would, or the Wall would come down or Yugoslavia would have broken apart and moved into a civil war which went on for years. I can still remember when they had the Os. and what a wonderful celebration it was. The people that lived there didn’t think their neighbours would come and murder them. Then there is Rawanda.

    The Americans have had a civil war once. In the 1930s it almost happened again. If you read some labour history you’ll see how bad it got and what people were prepared to do and how many arms there were. It shocked me. It maybe part of the reason the Americans had plans made up for an invasion of Canada, if required, back in the 1930. then WW II came and they forgot about it. They were too busy selling arms to the Allies while staying out of the fight.

    What is currently going on in the U.S.A. can and in my opinion will get worse with Trump as President. There will come a point where people will no longer have faith in their courts and government and they will start shooting. One of the triggers may be the revoking of American citizenship Trump is now talking about. Trump’s administration is thinking 5k to start. How will they do it? To become a citizen of a country, they ask if you’ve committed any crimes. People answer NO. In the U.S.A. many have worked “illegally”. That will be enough to revoke their citizenship, with Trump appointed judges, people will be deported. Trump’s ICE gang will then declare the children born to these people as non citizens and they too will be deported. How, because a Republican dominated Congress will pass a law which rules certain groups born in the U.S.A. can not longer be declared citizens. Many have been advocating that for decades. Republicans have been advocating the removal of Latinos for decades because they see it as a threat to what was once white dominance. Today’s news informs us many “undocumented” who joined the American military as a pathway to citizenship have now been discharged, suddenly. Have a look at history, just check what Hitler did in Germany and then have a look at the U.S.A.

    Just look at Syria, Yemen, What Saudi Arabia did to Qatar. History is an easy subject to pass. Just change some of the names and dates, but it keeps happening.

    When we were children, our Mother used to say to not forget, the Holocaust could happen again.

  • 66 DBW // Jul 6, 2018 at 11:08 pm

    In Montana the other night, Trump – the groper in chief – mocked the metoomovement. And that might have been the least of his offenses.

    He labeled the Democrats, the political opposition, as supporters of MS 13 continuing to use fear as a weapon to whip up his base.

    A week after a mass shooting at a newspaper he continued to label the press as the enemy of the people.

    He continues to undermine his own Justice Department saying that the system is rigged loving the crowd chant of “lock her up” about another political opponent.

    He called Putin as a very fine man. (Notice how much praise he heaps on dictators like Kim “a smart man who loves his country” or Erdogan or Xi or Duerte etc.) while calling Trudeau “dishonest” and criticizing the leaders of the UK, Germany, Australia etc.

    He claims and his base and most spineless Republican leaders seem to agree that HE is the only one who knows how to fix things.

    I don’t care what his policies might be, this is an autocrat in the making and if the American people don’t pay attention to that, then no matter how much the system seems to be working, there is a great deal for them to worry about.

    (By the way, I and many others I know are making shopping decisions based on country of origin and I intend to continue to do so after this trade war ends.)

  • 67 13 // Jul 7, 2018 at 6:18 am

    Hawg @64

    Your fact that Lew said “your entitled” quote is really your opinion. If Lew were still participating on this particular blog he would probably correct you. Sadly Lew has moved on so if I may.
    A fellow named Moynihan a US politician coined the phrase. Feel free to challenge the good people at google Im sure that they will welcome your correction.

  • 68 nonconfidencevote // Jul 7, 2018 at 7:05 am

    @#65 eaf

    I dont think Canada would be “carved up” by outsiders so much as “imploded”.
    Quebec and their endless ever recurring threats of Seperatism.
    BC and its feelings of alienation with Ottawa and the rest of Canada.
    Alberta hoping beyond hope they could become the 51st state of the union.
    Canada’s 200th birthday celebrations in 2067?
    I give it a 50/50 chance.

    Outsiders may influence our decision to break up Canada some day……but it will be a “Made in Canada” self immolation.

    Divide and conquer…… why bother invading when the navel gazing fools will shoot themselves in the foot…. or ….. we’ll just unwittingly sell all our real estate to foriegn owners who are rich enough to pay the extra taxes and then be forced to rent from them…….
    Wait a minute !

  • 69 Diverdarren // Jul 7, 2018 at 11:37 am

    e.a.f. an interesting ramble through history. As much as I appreciate Roman history I’m not sure the geo politics of two millennium ago are necessary relevant.

    If history is to be the guide to how things will be in the future, then you need to give weight to the nearly 200 years of peaceful and prosperous co-existance Canada and the United States share.

    Surely you’d agree that the lessons learned from history closer in time and participants is a more accurate foretelling of future US/CDN relations.

    If that’s not the case then I could argue that China built a wall and enjoyed centuries of security. Thus history shows Trump’s wall will be a success. That would be a deranged argument.

    I’m thinking you may be dabbling in Trump Derangement Syndrome.

  • 70 13 // Jul 8, 2018 at 9:03 am

    So, in the current trade “WAR” it seems that the Trudeau government has decided that the Canadian consumer will face the brunt of the savage attack from our Southern enemy. Some like Harvey have picked up the gauntlet and are ready to give up their Kentucky Bourbon and other American made maple syrups etc.
    I do not subscribe to the notion of a war nor have I given to much consideration to my personal participation in this war. Before peoples hair bursts into flames I might down the road join the front line battle and curtail my purchases of American made goods AND SERVICES ie vacation property owned in enemy territory.
    Having said all that I ask why the Trudeau feds are still allowing American thermal coal to be loaded at Delta Port. This is the same coal that every American port on the West coast of the United States has refused to handle due to its environmental impact. Why hasnt Justin brought this to the attention of the enemies leader. DJT has made coal production a base in his campaign and if Justin stopped the coal trains at the Canadian boarder surely this would get the enemies attention.
    As always the Port of Vancouvers interests are put in front of Canadas national safety in this conflict.

    (Response: I was at Safeway today… great deal on green lettuce again…$2. I did not buy it. It actually saddens me to see our relationship with the US in such a state …as I’ve said, I like the US and in fact, will be happily playing tour guide in Vancouver this week to friends from Florida and their kids who are visiting. But no Canadian should ignore the ignorant remarks, tariff aggression and insults launched against Canada by Trump. And I truly believe that if ALL of us stop buying US goods HERE, it will send a message that Trump and his backers will hear about ..not from us … but from those American businesses that sell to us, and see orders dropping. h.o)

  • 71 Hawgwash // Jul 8, 2018 at 10:22 am

    I wasn’t thinking of you as a quote grabber, just pointing out another poster, up the page was not the original creator, as I believed Lew had been first to introduce the phrase to this blog.

    Two words; “on here” tagged to the end of my comment would have ensured my intent. I don’t dispute your Googling expertise and who knows, the way history can be rewritten, it may well have been someone other than Moynihan coined it. He did have some good ones though.

    The comments of D. M. Johnston regarding his Jewish friend should be paid considerable attention. Anyone could be next.

    I have firsthand experience, over several years, with a riding companion who racked up 80,000 miles on a pillion behind me. She is of Heinz variety, with Portuguese genes that allow her to turn “dark” simply looking at a picture of the sun.

    As near to our border, as Marysville WA, she has been targeted for abuse. Sand Point Idaho and Salt Lake City were among the worst of anywhere.

    What used to be subtleties, like not communicating or just ignoring her, has now evolved to direct “you are not welcome here” words. I am shown courtesy until people realize we are together.

    Trump has given the OK for this behavior and Americans who believe we steal shoes from them will assume the right to attack.

  • 72 Ed Seedhouse // Jul 8, 2018 at 11:30 am

    I just think we need a lot less “stand on guard” and a lot more “welcome in”.

  • 73 13 // Jul 8, 2018 at 2:08 pm

    I guess my point was lost in the translation. The current retaliatory tariffs that the Trudeau gov has enacted do more to hurt Canadians than they do to hurt American companies that produce the goods. Maybe the $2 lettuce producer gets the message maybe he doesnt. Maybe 1o people dont buy the lettuce maybe 100 maybe 100,000. MAYBE.
    If the Trudeau government wants to engage in this tit for tat tariff dispute if they truly believe that the USA is trying to bully Canada then slap a boarder crossing fee on those coal trains. That wont hurt the Canadian consumer one iota. As long as the USA decides to back down and doesnt cripple our auto industry in retaliation.
    Or maybe cut a deal with the US settle the Nafta and sit back and see where the US and China end up. Thats the real fight.
    I dont think the lettuce or the coal trains are the answer. It just pisses me off that Trudeau cant figure a way to fight his trade war without sticking it to Canadian consumers. We already get it from the feds in the form of sky high taxes.
    Oh yeah lets not forget the Trudeau decision to go with the only pipeline that runs out of downtown Vancouver. Lets thank Trudeau for allowing Chinese buyers to snap up real estate and then Trudeaus CRA duck and cover behind a racist excuse not to go after the chinese student with zero income buying the multi million dollar property .
    By the time I finish paying all of my taxes to all 3 levels of government to support the endless benefits and pensions from sea to shinning sea if I can save 5 cents on a head of lettuce from California I will buy the cheaper lettuce. Last time I checked my pension plan is not defined or cost of living adjusted or tax payer funded

  • 74 e.a.f. // Jul 9, 2018 at 7:59 pm

    Diverdarren #69: human nature is always relevant. Our history with the U.S.A. hasn’t been totally friendly. As late as the 1930s there were plans drawn up by the American military to invade Canada if they deemed it necessary. Then WW II broke out and all was good again.

    We also have a new type politicians in office, Trump and it isn’t nice and it isn’t civilized. If he would put babies in detention camps with no interest in returning them to their parents, who knows what he will do next. he thinks Putin is a great guy. Now we find out Congressman Shelby was in Russia over 4 july. Some have investigated and believe it has to do with drilling in the Artic. What do you think Trump and Putin will do if Canada objects to that in our waters. At the current rate we might want to check with Denmark and ask them to take care of the problem should things get nasty. We won’t be prepared. The U.S.A. is no longer anyone’s friend. Check on Mr. Task’s opinion regarding Trump/U.S.A. or the Dutch P.M.’s conversation with Trump. this is a new game. If you’re not prepared, you won’t survive.