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Canadian Media Missing/Covering Up Real Greyson/Loubani Story?

October 10th, 2013 · 31 Comments

Something about the story has stunk right from the beginning: a Canadian doctor and his film-maker friend arrested in Egypt on their way to do humanitarian work in Gaza and then just happening to come upon and aiding protestors in violent confrontations with the Egyptian military government.

And, of course, filming it all along the way. Until they were arrested.

Actually, a very good story … IF the media had handled it honestly and with the skepticism that should come with all stories … especially those with such apparent political overtones.

But from everything I saw … right from the beginning … Canada’s media set aside journalistic principles to become cheerleaders for the two Canadians: protesting their innocence (how would WE actually know?); giving LOTS of airtime to family and friends saying the usual “they would NEVER do anything wrong”; demanding they be released; and pressuring the Canadian government to get them out.

The North American media does that too often!

Almost every time a Canadian or American citizen is arrested abroad … in Mexico, in Europe, the USSR, Asia or Africa … our media rush to the front lines, proclaiming their innocence, decrying the justice system there and detailing the gross prison conditions in those countries. And rather than question, investigate or, God forbid, tear apart their alibis and excuses … our media become their allies and voices on behalf of them and their friends over here.

You know the stuff: they were just tourists; they were only there as students; the drugs and cash were planted on them; their financial dealings might look fraudulent, but how could a mother or grandmother ever do that; and they were dupes, running into the wrong people at the wrong places and just going along innocently and naively … until the cops swept in.

It’s as if “WE” from Canada and the U.S. and our media truly believe WE are ENTITLED to a free pass from criminal charges in other countries … something that would certainly OFFEND us, if for example, a foreign government demanded the release of any of their citizens charged with crimes inside Canada.

I have always been very skeptical about such cases. Not cold and unsympathetic …just a journalist who wants the TRUTH before becoming an advocate (as I did in the case of an Iranian refugee Amir Kazemian who was in sanctuary in a Vancouver Church for more than two years. Hopefully my stories helped gain him permanent residence in Canada!)

But the Greyson/Loubani case set off all kinds of alarm bells with me as a journalist.

First of all, I think it’s wonderful that a Canadian doctor would want to go to a dangerous trouble spot, in this instance Gaza, to help in a hospital. But if I was still working and covering the story, I would have asked LOTS of questions:

Why did Tarek Loubani not volunteer or go through the United Nations, Medecins Sans Frontiers or the Red Cross? How long was he going to be there? Why would he bring a film-maker, John Greyson, with him? Was Loubani really there help for six months or a year or so …or just long enough to make a propaganda film, featuring himself as hero and doing it all more for political reasons rather than real humanitarian ones?

Why did they time their excursion right in the middle of the Egyptian crisis … trying to travel through the largely lawless and terrorist-plagued northern Sinai? How did Loubani just “end up” in the middle of the violent insurgency … delivering medical care on the side of the armed militants and not volunteering in a regular Egyptian hospital? With his actions being filmed by a documentary maker?

Something stunk about it all to me … and the way the Canadian media just seemed to accept without questioning Loubani and Greysom’s version of events after they were arrested by Egyptian authorities. Not that I would automatically accept the military government’s story or accusations either … but I always wondered: WHERE is the truth; WHAT is the real story behind Loubani/Greyson; are they really humanitarian volunteers or trouble-makers looking to propagandize … suddenly crying for help after being caught?

The Canadian media FAILED to ask all these questions.

And it was only a few days ago, when conservative pit-bull columnist Ezra Levant exposed what the rest of the Canadian media seemed to be covering up: Loubani and Greyson are no innocent humanitarians caught up in international intrigue. You can read his provocative and startling exposé by clicking here.

And Margaret Wente in the Globe and Mail has exposed their past radicalism in another interesting article, available here.

But BOTH are commentators … not the on the scene reporters, writing reams about this story.  Why are those journalists covering the story not doing their jobs? Why have they whitewashed or ignored who we are really dealing with here …. quite apparently far from innocent do-gooders on an innocent humanitarian mission?  Or do “working” journalists in Canada only ask uncomfortable questions of those they do not agree with these days?

I have no idea if everything Levant and Wente columns … quite frightening and eye-opening in my view …is all totally accurate. But at least SOMEONE is asking real questions and raising real journalistic issues about this story.

The duty of the media is to find out and tell us the truth: I now don’t believe in this case they did that … especially CBC National, which in my view left its journalistic principles in the closet, opting instead to adopt a left-wing sympathetic bias with story after story advocating on behalf of the two Canadians, without adequate reporting or even questioning  their actions or motivations.

I am sure when Loubani/Greyson return to Canada, our media will be all over them: fawning, treating them like heroes. And they’ll travel the country … telling of their “harrowing” experience at the hands of the nasty Egyptian military … and perhaps even profiting from their latest manufactured adventure.

Hopefully, REAL journalists will ask the TOUGH questions and tell us the truth of who Loubani/Greyson really are and what they were really up to overseas.

Harv Oberfeld

Tags: International · Media · National

31 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Larry Bennett // Oct 10, 2013 at 10:49 am

    On spot Harve, but way too honest for many of your commentariat here. Watched Global’s coverage of it, and it was so naive, that I wanted to scream. Same at CBCCand the rest of the MSM.

    (Response: Wait till they’re …and are greeted like returning heroes! Why? They look like publicity and propaganda hounds …nothing really more. There are hundreds of volunteers around the world doing very brave arduous work on behalf of the poor and downtrodden …without bringing their own cameraman with them! h.o)

  • 2 kootcoot // Oct 10, 2013 at 11:51 am

    “And it was only a few days ago, when conservative pit-bull columnist Ezra Levant”

    You have insulted pit bulls and pit bull owners everywhere by equating them with the whiny and craven Anne “the man” Coulter fan Ezra Levant.

    As a avid fan and consumer of BC LIEberal misleading press releases re: sparkle pony resource mega-riches false hopes you have a lot of nerve to criticize other media for reporting such truths as Loubani is a doctor and Greyson is a film maker who were being held WITHOUT charges in Egypt by a military dictatorship for weeks.

    And god forbid that Greyson might film something that doesn’t support the position of the Middle Eastern nation with the largest arsenal of unconventional weapons, both chemical/biological and nuclear – Israel.

    It seems as if our Stevie and the US empire only support democracy when the others elect their chosen candidates otherwise military coups or illegal blockades are preferable to the people’s will.

    With this post you join LB as my emetic for this morning.

    I certainly would be disappointed in Dr. Loubani if he was administering medical assistance to victims of the heavily armed Egyptian army and police firing on the not so heavily armed protesters who deplore Egypt’s return to military rule which has been the norm for the last few decades.

    Actually as a doctor I thought he was obligated to render aid to injured people – even first aid attendants are obligated to render aid when it is required, unless they are drunk or otherwise unable to do so.

    As a commenter at the Excreble Ezra’s piece pointed out the “Media Party” is ” EVERYONE IN THE MEDIA, EXCEPT THE SUN NEWS, as if you need to be told!!

    This in spite of the fact that EVERY Canadian daily except the Toronto Star endorsed Stephenfuhrer for PM the last time 20% of Canadians chose their dictator for the next four years.

  • 3 e.a.f. // Oct 10, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Read the other column and yes it does explain why the Egyptian police held on to them.

    Your questions were bang on. The MSM didn’t get into the issues, which they ought to have, because it did give them something to write/talk about, which was easy and deflected people’s attention from other issues.

  • 4 Beenie // Oct 10, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    Harvey, you are so right. I also wondered about their real cause. Perhaps they should just stay there and help as they planned on doing. People generally do things with an ulterior motive. Some positive and some not.
    Good work on your part.

    (Response: Just trying to keep it real. Wish the rest of the Canadian media would do so also … in reporting exactly WHO these guys are and what they were really up to. h.o)

  • 5 DonGar // Oct 10, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Thank you for keeping it real once again.

    Anything the MSM publishes these days must be questioned. They no longer let the truth get in the way of their story telling. oops reporting.

  • 6 Colin // Oct 10, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    Thank you Harvey.

    It’s amazing how annoyed some people can get when all that’s being suggested is that we (and the media) should simply ask questions.

    People like the Globe & Mail’s Tabatha Southey seem to be arguing that we SHOULDN’T be asking questions. I guess I just don’t understand how a person could defend that position.

    (Response: It’s the JOB of the media to ASK questions and REPORT the whole story … not avoid the uncomfortable. Had I still ben working, I WOULD have at least asked Loubani’s family and friends about his motivation, his activism and if he deliberately headed to Gaza, without any recognized humanitarian group and held by a group that Canada has classified as terrorists and then dove right into a virtual revolution and ended up being arrested … why SHOULD he be freed simply because he is a Canadian, without facing any charges in court? Not fun to confront his supporters with those tough questions …but that’s the JOB of real journalists. h.o)

  • 7 morry // Oct 10, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    REAL journalists?!! Few left i’m afraid. mostly Copy/Paste journalism left these days

  • 8 Gumby // Oct 10, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    Hey Mr. Journalist past.

    http://www.vancouversun.com/news/study+points+inadequate+spill+response+system/9021869/story.html

    3% RECOVERY ON THE NORTH COAST.

    Not equiped, not ready, no polluter pay laws, no enforcement mechanisms, no way to make polluters pay, yet the great Oberfeld pitbull journalist asked no questions, nothing, you reported BC Liberal/Harper/Alberta talking points.

    You blathered about the NDP, the people need to trust the corporate, pipe it, pump it, burn it, stuff it.

    Maybe you should start practicing what you preach, and maybe you should learn to read the real stories, not press releases, Petronas has committed nothing, no final investment decision! you merely posted a press release, and you call that journalism.

    http://www.energyglobal.com/news/processing/articles/Asia_LNG_outlook735.aspx#.Uld_VRDO98F

    http://www.energyglobal.com/news/processing/articles/Asias_energy_outlook736.aspx#.UleDLxDO-Sp

    Read, learn, less press release cheerleading.

    (Response: I know there are a LOT of people who like your anti-development biases, your nastiness and I’d bet they hope your radical left points of view get LOTS of exposure: they’re called Liberal election strategists. LOL! h.o)

  • 9 Gumby // Oct 11, 2013 at 12:07 am

    Pipe it, pump it, shove it, right HO.

    http://www.vancouversun.com/news/farmer+finds+large+spill+while+harvesting+wheat+state+waits/9024293/story.html

    Ezra Levant, an entire hour chewing on David Suzuki`s bone, your hero, the sludge slut.

    http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/politics/archives/2013/10/20131010-220157.html

  • 10 Diana // Oct 11, 2013 at 7:39 am

    It is so refreshing to read real journalism! I never watch or believe the MSM anymore. example (when our obtuse premier in BC interviewed by Mansbridge said “heavy oil is heavy and it sinks…”)Good grief!!! and he simply sat.

    (Response: Thanks. Having lots of fun still keeping it real. Although the problem withy that is after doing it for a while, the partisans on ALL sides dislike me and think I work for the other side. LOL! But that just shows me I must still be doing real journalism…questioning and critiquing … to try to get to the truth. h.o)

  • 11 CGHZD // Oct 11, 2013 at 9:10 am

    Ezra Levant and Margaret Wente???? Really!!!
    Two of the biggest douches in the Canadian press and you suggest these two snow white right wing nut bars are the purveyors of truth in this story ?
    What have you been smoking Harvey?

    (Response: It’s totally wrong and intellectually dishonest to dismiss ANY commentator out of hand. That’s just bias and prejudice. Shame on you.The real question is whether WHAT they are writing is true. Notice you didn’t refute any of what they wrote. h.o)

  • 12 kootcoot // Oct 11, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Diana, are you suggesting that heavy bitumen doesn’t sink? I own the Golden Ears Bridge, wanna buy it? That statement is one of the few times Christy’s lips have moved without simultaneously lying.

    You are definitely throwing down the gauntlet to the King of Bloggers/Egotists for the throne in the sewer now Harv! You must be after his thousands of denier Harper sycophants…..good luck with that.

    Military government in Egypt = Good.

    Hamas Government (elected) in Gaza = Bad.

    War mongering PM of the theocracy in Israel = Good

    That’s keeping it real Harv, in some alternate universe somewhere, I’m sure!

  • 13 Larry Bennett // Oct 11, 2013 at 9:51 am

    I did warn you Harvey, but I’m sure you were expecting it before you even finished the piece. May I suggest some good reading for the likes of CGHZD, Gumby, and Kootcoot? The latest edition of National Review (it hasn’t the same humour as when WFB was still alive, but it still ‘Stands athwart history, shouting, Stop). Turn to the back page boys and read Jonah Goldberg, standing in for Mark Steyn’s Happy Warrior column. Called appropriately – The Taboo Cliche!

    (Response: The truth is sometimes I chuckle away as I write …knowing full well the Pavlovian responses I will get from some. Of course, as you know, I don’t mind contrary viewpoints ..quite enjoy them … but I find it sad that some are so immature (and I’m sure they’re not teenagers) that they try to get personally nasty, insulting me just because they disaagree, not realizing it reflects TOTALLY on them, not anyone else. h.o)

  • 14 Larry Bennett // Oct 11, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    Definitely not teens, only old curmudgeons like myself could get so wound up in anything as silly as politics! Like there is anything we could possibly do about it – one vote per man/woman.

    (Response: Actually, elections have been won or lost by one vote! But more importantly, multiply the power of one by ten thousand and there IS power in the people: the challenge is t get another 9,999 in any particular riding to agree with you. And somebody does succeed each time. h.o)

  • 15 kootcoot // Oct 11, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    Harvey, I’m amused that you recognize (or think you do) a Pavlovian response in others, yet are blissfully unaware of your Pavlov/B.F. Skinner response to anything NDP, non anglophone Quebec or that dares to question sparkle pony riches from giving away our resources to the corporate elite (usually from other countries or continents) and friends of Harper/BC LIEberals and leaving the environmental devastation and costs to the rest of us.

    And Larry, it is refreshing to see you so honestly admit your wish for a return some imaginary time in the past when Ozzie and Harriet were the norm, fish was dinner on Friday and natives and other dark people knew their place with and he didn’t have to take William Buckley’s place and be the one who “‘Stands athwart history, shouting, Stop

    Sorry Larry, but they ain’t building pyramids in Egypt anymore and the Chinese aren’t counting on the great wall for defense. I also am sorry that Ronnie Raygun and the Iron Bitch Maggie had to die and couldn’t try to destroy civilization and the planet forever.

    I’m certainly not surprised that you both (LB and Mr. Keeping it real) consider clowns like Josh “oh my gosh” Goldberg, Mark Steyn, Spittleboy Ezra and serial plagiarist Martha Wente the height of journalistic chops. I can only imagine the awe that Rush Limpballs, Glenn Beck and Billy O’Barely rational O’Reilly inspire in folks like you all!

    But hey, Sun News and Faux tell it like it is and everybody else is stooooooooopid! Some tools are conscious, or appear to be so.

    (Response: Such left wing Soviet-style clichés. Who writes your5 stuff: Vlad Posner? h.o.)

  • 16 nonconfidencevote // Oct 11, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    I was like you Harvey.
    I wondered why, in God’s name, would someone rush TOWARD a demonstration unless it was to get arrested……..
    I’m somewhat dissappointed in the Egyptian military for releasing these self proclaimed “innocent” men after only 45 days. One can only hope the Canadian govt doesnt run to their rescue the next time( because you know there WILL be a next time with these two.) Personally I hope its an Iranian or Saudi prison these idiots end up in next and they rot for a year or two and realize that their dissenting opinions really dont count in the grand scheme of things…….
    and pigs may fly……

    (Response: I suspect Loubani will go back to safer targets … groups/organizations in Canada or the US or overseas … as long as he can do it FROM here or somewhere safe in Europe. All of it of course carefully filmed for the world to see. h.o)

  • 17 Gumby // Oct 11, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    Well, we know who writes your stuff Harvey Oberfeld.

    BC Liberal and Stephen Harper public relations department, and press agents.

    You haven`t written an original thought in years, now you sit back, retired, watching Sun news, reading Marggie Wet noodle Wente.

    Thinking of nothing but the harm the socialist hordes have done to Canada, all those Federal NDP Governments and the three BC NDP Governments.

    Yet you blindly ignore Canada`s growing debts, provincial, federal, while industry has had a free reign for decades, the oil sands producing more than ever yet even Alberta is running debts, oh indeed, we just need more and more of the same to fix everything up..

    I feel sorry for you Harvey Oberfeld, either you know you are wrong and don`t care, or you are begging for a Harper senate appoinment or dimentia and ALZ has set in.

    A mere handful of Larry Bennetts agree with you..Larry Bennett, the only rightwing nutbar AGT ever banned.

    Lastly, I could care less about these two targets in your post, but to place Wente and Levant on a pedestal..Ezra who has been sued left right and center for lies, slander and malice.

    And Kootcoot is right, heavy oil does sink, one of the few truths Christy ever spoke, even if by accident.

    How old are you Harvey?

    Too old

    (Response: Hell, judging by the last election results, the BC Libs could do a lot better at convincing people than my writing on here clearly does! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! h.o)

  • 18 nonconfidencevote // Oct 12, 2013 at 6:30 am

    Wow.
    The Ezra Levant, Margret Wendt haters are here in full force!
    I may not love these two either but the fact that they dug a bit deeper than the rest of the compliant, complacent sloths that double as the “media” these days is appreciated. A bit of pre history on both of these “innocent protesters” does make their foray into the Egyptian hornets nest a tad easier to understand.
    A “Dr.” that wraps himself in the Palestinian flag for that extra touch of glamour when primping for the media and a ‘Prof” that makes films about urine……… Gotta love em.

    Rest assured people. Now that they have become media “darlings” , they will strive for bigger and better.

    (Response: I see the pair’s cheerleaders at the CBC finally touched on their past radical activist backgrounds and the questions real journalists had been raising about the true motives and dumb, very questionable actions of the two. But the real question I would like to see asked of Loubani,a radical gay activist at home, who has a curious affinity for Gaza, what does he think of Hamas’ severe penalties for homosexuality (including death) and why hasn’t he spoken out about THAT or directed his “humanitarian” help to the West Bank, where the more moderated Fatah is in power? h.o)

  • 19 kootcoot // Oct 12, 2013 at 8:22 am

    ” Hell, judging by the last election results, the BC Libs could do a lot better at convincing people than my writing on here clearly does! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL”

    I’m glad you find the fact that Alberta follows your advice re:resource development, yet goes evermore into debt and has to build a wing of its Children’s Hospital in Edmonton out of canvas, yep a tent in Edmontonchuck winters for the kids and that cheaters win elections in Canada so amusing.

    Inappropriate laughter is a sign of mental issues!

    The only thing that matters is winning the election. No problem if you win because your brother in Florida engages in massive fraud and voter suppression which is then given legal standing by your daddy’s appointees to the Supreme Court. Or,like Stevie and his ConCritters (who admitted to electoral fraud after years of denial in the “in and out” scam, and are still in the denial phase in relation to the robo-calls) yet managed to derive a dictatorial mandate from 20% of the eligible voters.

    Then in B.C. we have Christy who wins by stealing the leadership and then lies her face off for 28 days to win the election. Fortunately for her her supporters were more skilled than she at marking a ballot and she had mucho assistance from the incompetent Dix who felt it impolite to point out the facts of the Campbell/Clark reign of terror and theft.

    But hey, it’s all good and FUNNY, at least it isn’t the NDP. I imagine you and Larry would prefer a government by the Hells Angels to the NDP, and they probably would be more ethical than the BC LIEberals.

    After all Harvey, you’ve got yers, and that’s all that REALLY MATTERS when you keep it real!

  • 20 D. M. Johnston // Oct 12, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Enough! Enough with these two idiots. The are self absorbed elitists who think they can do or go where ever they please.

    Really, what do they expect? Damn lucky they didn’t get the ‘big sleep’.

    Go into areas of armed conflict, with no real credentials, you are going to get arrested or worse. I shed no tears for them.

    (Response: Wish you were right…but doubt Loubani will EVER give up seeking the spotlight. However he’ll probably seek safer targets ..like Canadian foreign policy, Israel boycotts, the U.S. role somewhere, anywhere … things he can rant about here without being arrested …but no doubt all captured on film by Greyson and lots of uncritical coverage, championed by the CBC. h,.o)

  • 21 OldIslander // Oct 12, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    Lavant — the #1 eviscerator of sacred Canadian cows — is a must-read every day. I’ve been following his reports on Greyson & Loubani for over a week now, and how some in the MSM have been hammering him for it.

    Lately he’s also gone after ‘Saint’ Suzuki, the province of Nova Scotia, various first nations groups, Margaret Atwood, Greenpeace, Justin Trudeau, Brent Butts (of ‘Corner Gas’ fame), Chrystia Freeland (new Lib candidate), Chief Theresa Spence, Preston Manning, Barak Obama, Al Gore, and many, many others, usually richly deserving of Ezra’s special attention.

    He is conservative, but not a complete shill like Duffy was in his final days as a journalist. Lavant will never be offered a Senate seat, because he does go after Conservatives too, from time to time.

    You have to look a bit deeper in some of his stories. He called Chrystia Freeland an ‘airhead’ after her first live media interviews. But if you research her, her TED talks and numerous US media interviews are more thoughtful, and show her to be a good thinker. She is a Rhodes Scholar. I think she’s never had to talk as a politician before, mindful of the damage she can do herself with a few bad words, so was trying to talk without actually saying anything (as all politicians tend to do…).

    There is no one that Lavant won’t attack if he detects BS or hypocrisy — he is probably the most courageous journalist in Canada these days.

  • 22 Larry Bennett // Oct 12, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    Sorry Gum – I have never been banned by AGT, he merely suggested I move along, I wrote him a good bye ode which was, as far as I know, the last time he and his followers have heard from me, nor have I visited his site since. Of course, there are those who appear to have missed my missives, and keep coming to this site to keep an eye on me! You’ll also find me at SDA on occasion, and at times over at David Warren’s excellent ‘Essays in Idleness’ though I am way out of my league with these boys and girls.

  • 23 kootcoot // Oct 12, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    Old Islander:

    If he is as you suggest ” the most courageous journalist in Canada these days” perhaps you should learn to spell his name….that’s Levant, not that it matters to me.

    And Larry thanks for pointing out to me why I come here – to keep an eye on you. AND thank God I don’t have to go to Small Dead Mindless Animals to do so! Really Larry, do you often bemoan the fact you weren’t born in say 1440 – perhaps you would have really enjoyed the time of two Popes? Was your absence the reason AGT took the summer off, you know to get over your absence?

    I really find it difficult to understand why so many folks here feel the need to attack Loubani and Greyson whether they disagree with their position vis-a-vis Gaza/Palestine/Israel or not. I frankly think that they were extremely gracious in their expressions of gratitude to those who helped them to return to Canada, including Stevie and John Baird…..they showed much more class than their critics in my estimation.

    (Response: I don’t think people are skeptical of Loubani because of his anti-Israel campaigning but because his story stinks: what kind of a doctor going to work in a war zone brings his own cameraman?? LOL! As for his anti-Israel activism, I’d say must say he’d do much better in Israel as a gay man or an Arab than a gay person or Jewish person would do in Gaza, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt … why doesn’t he protest those barbaric societies??). I think he’s a fraud …an elitist self-promoter, looking to occupy the spotlight more than do any good… and now that the CBC coverup has been broken, many Canadians are starting to see that. h.o)

  • 24 Sean Ciroc // Oct 12, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    Ho great story …… in fact the REAL story! Thank-U!
    Funny how its always the ‘Canadians’ who seem to get in trouble overseas be it close to home ie Mexico, or USA etc…!

    Please do not allow HATERS to regurgitate their lunch and dinner on yr fine site!

    Thx!

    (Response: The role of real journalists is to tell the real story, including who the protagonists are and what is their background when they start doing stupid things in a war zone. CBC and other media KNEW about Loubani’s background but said they covered it up because his gayness could get him in deeper trouble in Egypt or with Hamas. Isn’t that a story? And if they truly feared for him … that doesn’t mean they had to become one-sided cheerleaders on his behalf. h.o)

  • 25 Larry Bennett // Oct 12, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    Lived in Surrey when Bob Bose was mayor and always thought of him as being kinda anti-development and well to the left, politically. Now everyone is oohing and aahing over the fact that the Bose Farm will become a large condominium development, though of course, they will keep the original farm house ..blah, blah, blah. Wonder how much they made on the deal, and whether a farm in Surrey shouldn’t come under the Agricultural Land reserve etc.? This is off topic of course, and I throw it up not to be seen but as a possible subject for a later time, Harvey.

  • 26 Henri // Oct 12, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    Well Harv you sure got a few commenters dander up, loss of cheap unnecessary shots directed towards you, along with very little substance from these same whiners in regards to the main subjects Greyson +Loubani. (No not you Larry Bennett) At the very least they could have directed their chaff at the useless social CBC media who never attempted to mentioned that “other” Canadian story of which a Canadian was just released from a Iranian hell hole prison after 5 brutal years . I guess if you’re not of the pretty people category you’re regulated to the back of the bus. What is next a CBC type caste reporting system?

    http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/10/10/toronto_man_who_spent_time_on_death_row_in_iran_has_returned_home.html

    (Response: It is something I’ve never understood: nothing wrong with people disagreeing … can make for good discussion; but when someone personally attacks, denigrates people just because they disagree with them , it seems to me they have some very serious problems …beyond just having another point of view. As for your other point: right on! All that time and effort on these two guys in jail for less than two months; while another Canadian languished for YEARS in an Iranian jail … and we heard NOTHING about it. Surely THAT’S where CBC angst and focus should have been directed. h.o)

  • 27 Larry Bennett // Oct 13, 2013 at 8:25 am

    Aha! Koot has revealed the cause of our woe. AGT has flown the coop, and the orphans of the looney bin are afoot. The shepherd has been struck and the flock is scattered!
    This would then, account for a lot of the commentary of late. AGT’s poor misguided disciples are left wandering about the internet, looking for a suitable host to infest.

  • 28 DonGar // Oct 13, 2013 at 10:48 am

    “but when someone personally attacks, denigrates people just because they disagree with them , it seems to me they have some very serious problems”

    They do this because they don’t have any real facts to support their position and they know it.

    (Response: Sometimes they do have facts …interesting ones…but they lose a lot of credibility when they sling insults. One recently denigrated people who are “old”: wonder if he’d say that to the face of Native Elders; Senior Citizen organizers or all those older voters who he hopes will vote for his favorite political party?? LOL! h.o)

  • 29 e.a.f. // Oct 13, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    We may not agree with each other all the time, but please try to respect each other’s opinions. It is part of living in a democracy.

    Calling people names doesn’t solve anything. People who create a blog, do so with some effort. If we don’t like their opinions we can simply “move along”. There is nothing wrong with that. Some of us may disagree with each other, but many of us do agree on a number of things, such as the need to end child poverty, adequate medical care for all, protecting the enviornment from pollution. If we work on the areas we find common ground, then we maybe able to create a better future for all.

    There are enough problems in the world that we don’t have to create more simply because we disagree. That is how we got in the mess in the first place.

    As we celebrate Thanksgiving this weekend try to think of what we have to be thankful for.

    We live in Canada, and all though not perfect, its way ahead of other countries.

    We have a medical system which, although imperfect, provides decent care to the majority of us, without bankrupting us.

    We have the right to vote.

    We don’t have a war going on in the country.

    The majority of us will sit down in homes with running water, electricity, and eat a thanksgiving dinner with people we care about.

    (Response; Well put. Thank you! h.o)

  • 30 nonconfidencevote // Oct 13, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Bless ya Larry.
    Nothing I like better than wandering aimlessly through the blogosphere after AGT took a “hiatus” and finding you………

    The infestation commences…… dont scratch.

    It’ll only make it worse.

  • 31 Larry Bennett // Oct 13, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    I don’t dare scratch anywhere, I just lost another organ (oh well, wasn’t using it much anyway!) and came out of the local hospital with one of the infections they are (in)famous for. Still, I thank God for the surgeons fine work, and look forward to the next calamity. (..quare me repulisti, et quare tristis incedo, dum affligit me inimicus?)