Conservative Minority Government Better for BC

British Columbians should learn from Quebeckers.

When it comes to voting, exercising influence and then being rewarded with powerful Cabinet seats and LOTS of federal spending, Quebec voters put BC to shame.

La belle province has 22.3% of Canada’s population … but boasts 29.7% of the Ministers appointed by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

There are ELEVEN of them … and, more importantly … several hold powerful Cabinet seats: not only the Prime Minister’s, but others that are are HIGHLY INFLUENTIAL in doling out those BILLIONS in federal funds/spending. And pulling Ottawa’s policy strings as well.

Quebec controls the top Ministry jobs in: Economic Development; Treasury Board President; Agriculture; Innovation, Science and Industry; National Revenue; Foreign Affairs; Justice; Heritage; Indigenous Services; and, Leader of the Government in the Commons.

Some pretty high profile posts!

In fact, Quebec holds SO MUCH power/sway there are actually going to be TWO Leaders’ Debates in French this election campaign and only ONE in English. How is that fair??? Talk about the tail wagging the dog!

(The first French language Leaders’ debate will be on Quebec’s TVA Network Sept 2, the second French language debate will be on the national Networks Sept. 8; and the sole English language debate, will be on Sept. 9.)

Just another way, through power and influence, Quebeckers get favored treatment, while BC (and the West) continue to be short-changed.

Take a closer look at OUR reality.

BC is home to 14% of the country’s population … but our MPs have been granted responsibility for only FOUR Ministries under Trudeau/Liberals (10.8% of Cabinet posts) … well BELOW a FAIR portion.

That’s a disgrace!

And only one BC Cabinet Post … Environment and Climate Change (Jonathan Wilkinson) could be considered a major Ministry … but even then, NOTHING like Quebec holds in terms of several that can assist British Columbia companies in GAINING federal benefits/spending.

BC’s three other Cabinet responsibilities are: National Defence; Employment and Workforce Development; and, Digital Development (do most Canadians know that the latter two even exist?) .

Are British Columbia’s seven other Liberal MPs just not smart enough to make it into the Trudeau Cabinet?

Quebec voters would NEVER stand for the comparatively minor role given BC in the Trudeau/Liberal government!

And nor would Ontarians, who also do fine under the current setup.

Canada’s most populated province (14.7 million) has 38.8% of of our population, but was allocated 16 Ministry posts by Trudeau … 43.2% … exercising EXTRA power and influence, like Quebec, BEYOND it’s fair share.

And Ontario too gets some very powerful posts.

Ontario Liberal MPs in Trudeau’s Cabinet fill: Deputy Prime Minister; Finance; Associate Minister of Finance; Immigration; International Trade; Labour; Transport; Health; Seniors; Infrastructure; International Development; Indigenous Relations; Families; Public Safety; Rural Economy; Women/Gender Equality; Diversity, and Public Services and Procurement.

Lots of BIG buck contracts to hand out there!

And when two provinces get MORE than their fair share of Cabinet seats, more federal influence and powers and more say and access to fiscal spending … others, like BC, get less.

It’s time BC voters did something about it!

Before dissolution, BC had seventeen Conservative MPs, 11 NDP; two Greens and, one Independent, in addition to the 11 Liberals … 42 MPs in all.

Canada’s next government will again be Liberal or Conservative.

It may seem laudable for British Columbians to vote NDP/Green on an ideological or idealistic basis, but let’s keep it real: this election, the NDP have NO chance of forming either government or even the Official Opposition.

It’s time BC voters got into the game … and stop being satisfied just preaching good sportsmanship from the sidelines.

Voting NDP/Green will just leave the REAL power and purse strings in the hands of Quebec and Ontario voters … who will cash in once more.

This time, British Columbians should vote in our own interests!

Trudeau has fallen from grace in the eyes of many: he has kowtowed to China too much (two Michaels, 5 Gs, PPE, vaccine betrayal, trade obstacles) ; violated Parliamentary ethics rules three times; embarrassed Canada at the UN; acquiesced too easily to Quebec’s claim that it could unilaterally change Canada’s Constitution … NO!; failed to intervene/protect religious minorities from new discriminatory laws in Quebec; failed to solve the First Nations’ clean water crisis, while pandering ($$$$) to activists and agitators, after ending the basic requirement that bands and councils make public their financial records; and, mishandled Canada’s “rescue” mission in Afghanistan, burying in paperwork and/or in the end, leaving behind/abandoning thousands who worked for/trusted Canada.

In BC, Trudeau has talked the talk … but clearly still FAILED to give our province its FAIR share of power, important positions and respect in Ottawa.

Ask Jody Wilson-Raybould.

And why are we holding an election now in the first place? Trudeau’s term was not due to expire until October, 2023 … and there were NO signs the Opposition parties were getting ready to topple the minority government.

Why go now? Trudeau and Liberal strategists felt the timing would give them a good chance of winning a majority government.

The effort will cost taxpayers an estimated $610 MILLION … which is $108 MILLION more than the $502 MILLION taxpayers spent to hold the 2019 Election. More than $1 BILLION on two federal elections in less then two years!

While Canadians are still fighting/suffering from the Covid pandemic; thousands are in mourning; and, hundreds of thousands have lost their businesses, their life savings and/or their jobs.

How does that deserve another term?

Just think of how powerful and influential BC could be if WE become responsible for delivering government into the hands of Erin O’Toole! (Especially since in Quebec, he’s not likely to do better than the Liberals/Bloc!).

O’Toole and his principles are not turning out to be as scary as previous Tory leaders/policies or as his opponents try to portray him. His policies in this campaign have been centrist and even socially/environmentally progressive. And he does seem to have the party/caucus’ right wing under pretty good control.

As a result, polls are showing Canadians ARE seeing O’Toole and the Tories as a realistic alternative to Trudeau/Liberals.

Although I would not want to see a majority Conservative government at this time … I believe an O’Toole/Conservative MINORITY government could be a good change for Canada … and especially BC and the West.

So maybe it’s OUR turn to play the game perfected by Quebec and Ontario … and use OUR votes to influence who WINS the election … and then share in the rewards!

And not just be satisfied with sending third and fourth place party “dreamers” to Ottawa.

Harv Oberfeld

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26 Responses to Conservative Minority Government Better for BC

  1. Marge says:

    I too think a Conservative minority government would be good for BC and all of Canada. Trudeau has proven himself a very poor leader. His arrogance (reminiscent of his father) has proved to be his Achilles heel and he is not fit to be given another chance at destroying our country. O’Toole has shown himself to be a steady leader, not giving in to Trudeau’s very poor attempts at using the abortion or climate control or vaccine card. The fact that Trudeau has admitted that many of the Liberal candidates aren’t even vaccinated while coming across as the leader of vaccinations is telling in itself. It shows him again to be the leader who is always do as I say and never as I do.

    His proposals are so weak and seem so costly especially at a time when I am sure that we are all going to be required to tighten our belts. His strange comments that monetary policy is of no interest to him shows him to be an intellectual weakling. His comments about taxing big banks fails to take into consideration the fact that the banks will only pass on their taxation to the taxpayer. No thought seems to be placed into his proposals. More carbon tax folks – what has it accomplished except the fact that our gas prices are sky high right now and has anyone figured out that oil is not just needed to run cars but everything in your home. EV cars are great in principle but have we decided what to do with all those batteries that don’t really last?

    Trudeau’s personality has also been his downfall to say the least. He went into an election that nobody wanted. He just assumed because it’s “Trudeaumania” as always that people would greet him with open arms and welcoming votes. He didn’t take into consideration his own hypocrisy – didn’t he have one meeting at least where there was no safe distancing? If he really cared (or his handlers) wouldn’t they at least walk the walk instead of talking the talk? He also thought everyone had bought into the vaccination story – the fact that he has candidates in his own party unvaccinated should have told him something. If he were so adamant about his policy (and this I believe is the right one for a change on his part) shouldn’t he have insisted that all candidates be vaccinated and set a wonderful example? No he didn’t.

    Then we have the usual abortion and climate change attacks. Didn’t his party figure it out finally that the Conservatives weren’t going to fall for the same old malarky? Couldn’t they have told CBC and Global to stop the stories? I was waiting for the “conversion” story next but so far it hasn’t materialized but it can at any moment. Then we have the woman talking about her “Taliban brothers” after Trudeau’s failed attempt in Afghanistan. How crazy stupid is that? Shouldn’t candidates have been told to keep quiet and just do the typical political stuff? And then there’s Freeland who just happens to be the Deputy PM. Splicing together what was an attempt to make O’Toole look bad, how cheesy was that?

    Trudeau is not fit to be our leader. His election call, his handling of Afghanistan, his horrible attacks on O’Toole that appear to be failing, his lack of real COVID leadership all point to the fact that maybe it’s time to take away power form a person who was all style and no substance. Canada deserves better and more importantly BC.

    (Response: In the 2019 election, I voted for Joy Wilson Raybould just because of the shameful way Trudeau treated … or mistreated …her; the previous election however, I did vote Liberal to give Trudeau a chance and because I couldn’t tolerate Harper’s dictatorial style of government, silencing of officials and refusal to hold more than the bare minimum of press conferences. As you can see, I often vote “against” rather than “for” to show my disappointment and disapproval … and this is another such occasion, made easier by what seems to be O’Toole’s center of the road, even progressive, views/policies on several issues. And my great hope is that a Conservative government, put into office by increased BC seats, would reward BC for that …as the Liberals have rewarded Quebec and Ontario. h.o)

  2. Not Sure says:

    Let’s start with this, something you wrote about 50 weeks ago.
    http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/otoole-snubs-british-columbia-again-and-again/

    Erin O’Toole snubs BC again and again. What makes you think he won’t snub BC if he becomes PM? (Just a little dig. If you read the comments of that post, I spent a lot of time showing how O’Toole wasn’t snubbing BC. And people think I am an NDP hack. LOL)

    Here is my take. Once the reform party took control of the Progressive Conservatives all they cared about was their base and populist politics – the Kenneys and Fords etc. Even when Harper won his majority, they didn’t get 40% of the popular vote and only a flukish surge by the NDP stealing votes from the Liberals gave them that majority. Scheer made no attempt to broaden that base.

    Now we have O’Toole who seems to be different from his immediate predecessors.
    Politicians say what we want to hear all the time, so I don’t fully trust him, but he is not scaring me like Harper and Scheer did. The Conservatives are still my fourth choice. But here is what is interesting. Back in the day most swing voters went from Conservative to Liberal and back again. There might have been a bit of a swing between the NDP and Liberals but not as much. Now the biggest swing voters are between the Liberals and the NDP, twice as many as Liberal/Conservative. O’Toole seems to be looking at stealing votes from disenchanted Liberals rather than worrying about his base who have no real place to go other than Bernier.

    The projected seat count at 338 is a virtual tie. 140 for the Liberals 139 for the Conservatives. The NDP are projected at 34 and the Bloc at 23. It is not that far-fetched that the NDP could end up propping the Liberals even if the Conservatives win the most seats. Sound familiar.

    Still 3 weeks to go.

    (Response: In considering my choice, I was well aware of my criticisms of O’Toole’s failings in setting up his top staff and advisers after becoming leader. I stand by that, but I believe policies and programs and spending count more than staff/advisers. And clearly Trudeau has increasingly disappointed me (and millions of other Canadians) over the past year on many matters .. and I have a record of most often voting “against” rather than “for” candidates. I cannot vote for Singh/NDP … who has been playing Santa Claus, knowing he won’t get elected, promising anything and everything to anyone. And the Greens are a mess. On policies and principles, O’Toole doesn’t scare me and with better BC MP Conservative numbers, I do believe we would get better representation in the Cabinet than under Trudeau. It could hardly be worse! h.o)

    • Lulymay says:

      My current MP is a Conservative who won the last election by something like 100 votes. This person was parachuted in from Ontario, so knew nothing about the riding and speaks no English. I have yet to receive any communication in the mail, either to advise of any accomplishments or issues this person has championed.

      Consequently, I see no advantage whatsoever in having an MP who can in no way represent me or any of my concerns, so I can assure you that there are at least 4 votes in my household that will NOT be supporting this new and, in my opinion, completely untested MP.

      (Response: He sounds awful. But sometimes elections are not about the individual candidates, but the policies, principles and benefits that their party can bring … even if he or she is a general jerk. And another motivation may be just getting rid of the current party in power, if voters do not think they have done a good enough job. h.o)

  3. Stu de Baker says:

    My principles are being challenged and so my vote is up for grabs this time. Or I may just sit this one out; a rare decision, but in my riding “none of the above” is strongly in play.

    For the first time ever, I could take a look at the CPC, but their local candidate is already a four time loser at all three levels.

    Waiting, watching, thinking strategic.

    (Response: I already have me mail-in ballot: the candidates are no great shakes in my riding either, but I would always vote .. and although it has been quite some time since I voted Conservative … I’m prepared to give O’Toole a chance … just not impressed with Trudeau’s lack of honesty, integrity and treatment of BC. h.o)

  4. D. M. Johnston says:

    With much sadness, I tend to agree, but personally, not one of the politcal parties is fit to govern the country.

    “As the major political parties only allow “duds” to run for office, only “duds” will be elected; thus we will have government by “dud”.”

    “he Liberals have so normalized corruption, that they have turned corruption to virtue and not a crime.

    The Conservatives mimic American style “crony capitalism”, becoming a corn pone evangelical Trumpian sort of party, more interested in the American politic of hate.

    The NDP is lost in a political abyss so deep, they still fight yesterday’s issues, remaining blind to the issues of today. Their “tax the rich” rhetoric has grown tiresome and the party is bereft of any new ideas.

    The Greens have self immolated themselves on the pyre of Middle East politics, when they should have been focusing on the Canadian environment and has ceased to be even a repository for a protest vote. ”

    What I can say, I am old school and still believe one has to vote or just make the effort, but not one of the major politcal parties will get my vote, even the Greens have become toxic.

    So what to do?

    Where oh where is Screaming Lord Sutch and his Official Monster Raving Loony Party when you need him? Even Mr. Peanut would be a better option in my book.

    But the reality, either the Liberals or conservatives will form government and in today’s climate, a Conservative minority government seems to be Canada’s best bet.

    (Response: At least with the Conservatives …especially if it’s BC that puts them in power … BC would get stronger position representations and hopefully stronger Cabinet positions. In 2019, Quebec sent 35 Liberals to Ottawa … that’s why they were rewarded with so many Cabinet seats. But they only elected 10 Conservatives (plus 32 Bloc and 1 NDP). If they did that again (or similar) and the Tories formed government with a sizeable BC presence instead of Quebec MPs … I expect BC would benefit with greater power, spending and respect. Seats equal power … just like Quebec/Ontario have enjoyed until now. h.o)

  5. nonconfidencevote says:

    Sadly, in my riding the Conservatives are trailing third by a wide margin.
    The Liberal incumbent may, just may lose to the NDP but it will be a squeaker.

    I’m probably going to hold my nose and vote NDP to hopefully rob the Libs of a seat.

    “Anyone but Trudeau” may be the strategic vote of the day.

    (Response: The power of one …multiplied by many: pass this link to this blog around (http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/conservative-minority-government-better-for-bc/) to have more people start to think seriously about their vote … and this time do something for BC, rather than just vote for a party that will sit on the sidelines of REAL power. h.o.)

  6. Gilbert says:

    Those who follow my posts know that I’m conservative. However, I accept that most Canadians don’t share my socially and fiscally conservative views. For this reason, I truly believe that the policies of Erin O’Toole should appeal to many Canadians who normally would not vote for the Conservatives.

    Justin Trudeau has proven to be an incompetent prime minister. Many Canadians are angry that we are heading into an election right now, and Justin Trudeau can’t convince them that the election call was justified. He was recently interviewed in French, and the interviewer asked him if he regretting calling the election. Of course he denied any regrets, but the look on his face made it clear that he’s not so confident.

    There have been many mistakes with the campaign. He says that all federal workers will need to be vaccinated, but can’t say what will happen if they refuse. Some of his own MP’s are unvaccinated, which makes voters believe that he doesn’t really mean what he says. People are also noticing that the vaccines don’t work as expected and that cases in Canada are high. Dr. Tam, Canada’s public health officer, has conveniently disappeared. Though she works for the public, the Liberals clearly don’t want to remind voters that the pandemic is not at all under control.

    If I were the prime minister, any cabinet minister who referred to the Taliban as brothers would have to give an apology. Far too many Canadian soldiers have died at the hands of the Taliban, so that kind of language is absolutely unacceptable. You can say that you used the word to find solidarity with the Taliban, but don’t say it was a cultural reference. There are Afghans who say that this excuse is nonsense.

    The truth is that Erin O’Toole looks and like talks like an adult. Though he’s younger than Justin Trudeau, he looks older. He has middle-class roots, he has military experience, and he’s intelligent. He also thinks about monetary policy. The same is not true of Justin Trudeau.

    I won’t make any predictions because I’m often wrong. To my surprise, Justin Trudeau won the last election. This time, though, there are signs the Conservatives could win. According to polls, they’re doing well with young voters. They might win in Cape Breton, a Liberal stronghold, and they seem to have solid support in much of Ontario.

    I’d be very happy if the Conservatives got a majority. Even a Conservative minority, though, will make me happy. If Justin Trudeau loses, it’s time for a big celebration!

    (Response: Readers may notice that in my Blog piece, I did not overly criticize the Liberals on the handling of the Covid pandemic. The truth is Canada could not expect those countries where vaccines are manufactured to deliver vaccines to us before largely taking care of their own. But they should never have trusted China to co-develop a vaccine and repay a “loan” of PPE. There was much else to nail Trudeau/Liberals for over the past couple of years. And in BC, I can’t see how the Liberals could dare argue BC has had its fair share of Cabinet appointments or major portfolios. BC has been disrespected by Trudeau in Ottawa’s corridors of power. Too bad BCTV no longer exists and nor does its Ottawa bureau! I would have made it a major issue …and everyone knows in politics, the squeaking wheel does get the grease. Ask Quebeckers! So I’m willing to give O’Toole/Tories a chance … and I hope other British Columbians will realize the value in doing that …and not just waste their votes and their potential power that could benefit BC by helping O’Toole win government. h.o)

  7. RIsaak says:

    I’m completely in the ABT camp, which of course omits all the lesser options who face it are not ready, have zero chance, and can offer anything knowing full well they’ll never have to deliver (NDP, Green & Mad Max).

    Trudeau called an election while 30 forest fires were burning under 50 miles from me, hard to get sympathetic voters here while Rome burns and the last Provincial pandemic vote winner has caused much of our fire danger to increase & full of union politics (Horgan & Farnworth).

    All of Trudeau’s recent attempts to buy votes are but empty last ditch attempts to preserve power, if those spending items were actually important to the Trudeau govt., they would have trotted them out already in the last 6+ years, no?

    If SNC was not mostly owned by Quebec govt. employees would the DPA have even been considered? If it was western based? Remember the Liberals said it was to preserve jobs, BS, the construction business will not stop just because one corporate entity is caught cheating (bribing), the rank & file workers would still work, only the employers name would be different.

    Freeland is a haphazard, unqualified, fiscal neophyte, her policies show as much, no real effort to vet cerb money and no doubt the plethora of folks who did not qualify but managed to still get money (net vs. gross).

    Personally in 2015 Trudeau campaigned on increasing home care funding for the ill, I had a terminally ill wife at home who I was caring for, she actually bought his garbage and voted for Trudeau,
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/trudeau-promises-3-billion-investment-in-home-care-mental-health/article26597132/
    I completely resent the fact he used a lie to obtain the votes of the ill, aged and infirm, that alone will guarantee I’ll never vote for the liberal liars again.

    Written from the Interior where the Conservative candidate will garner 60%, and the Liberal Green & NDP candidates are next to useless. Cheers,

    (Response: I hope readers pass on to friends and families the gist of this discuss we are now having … and a link to the Blog: it’s VERY important for British Columbians to understand elections at this difficult time for so many are NOT just about declaring your own values and principles, as admirable as they may be. How people vote now determines how they and their province will be treated by the government in Ottawa over the next few years: how many seats your province gets in Cabinet; how much power your province will have in the corridors of national power; how many contracts and how much money (and jobs) your local companies get to spend in your area etc. So let’s keep it real: the next government WILL be either Liberal or Conservative … and as I’ve shown, Trudeau has failed BC and favoured Ontario and Quebec in Cabinet appointments that reflect that reality. Voting NDP/Green will help Quebec and Ontario KEEP their favoured status: voting Conservative this time may just help BC get a fairer share … it could hardly get less! And O’Toole clearly is no Harper or Scheer … so I believe it’s time for change and we should give him a chance to lead at least a new minority government. h.o)

  8. Harry Lawson says:

    Harvey,

    Strategic voting ? For whom . ? No matter how we vote it is truly a crap shoot.
    Trudeau apparently just discovered senior issues offering a increase on the supplement if elected, yet have a one time payment to those 75 and over what about those 65 and over . As if inflation does i.d. check.

    I think it is going to come down to the best candidate in your riding.

    If I have to hold my nose to vote then I will stay home and not vote.

    (Response: I think it’s important to vote …it is such a privilege denied so many other people in the world … and it’s a right so many Canadian soldiers have sacrificed so much so we can do it. I have voted for all the national parties at one time or another over the decades: Liberal, Conservative, NDP, and, yes, even Green. Last time I voted Independent (Jody), before that Trudeau/Liberals …but just don’t feel motivated to support/believe/respect him this time, for reasons I outlined in my piece and in previous responses. I don’t like Singh (think he’s a phony and a hypocrite and thankfully has NO chance to form government or even Official Opposition). It’s been a long time since I last voted Conservative, but although he’s a bit of a bore with no charisma, I find O’Toole’s policies CENTRIST enough fiscally and liberal enough socially that he could be worth trying out … in a minority government setting. And if BC was instrumental in getting Tories elected, with many more MPS than the Tories get in Quebec, we will likely be able to demand get a fair share of the spoils of power!! h.o)

  9. nonconfidencevote says:

    @ Harry Lawson

    Well.
    In my riding the Conservatives are showing a distant third.
    The incumbent Liberal is neck and neck with the NDP challenger.

    Do I vote conservative and see my vote essentially “wasted”?
    OR do I vote for the NDP to deny Trudeau a seat?

    Seems pretty straight forward to me.
    The only mystery to me is the utter invisibility of the Cons in this riding…election after election after election…..

    (Response: Interesting dilemma. I guess it depends on whether you really want to stop the Liberals from winning the seat or feel maybe this time, by voting for the closest rival, the NDP. Or gamble on the Tories in case they do pick up seats across the country. Tough choice! In my riding, Granville Center, I too haven’t heard a word from the Tory candidate I’m hoping to vote for, especially after CTV News at Six ran a a story that the Liberal candidate flipped 30 houses over a 10-year period …including 14 in just one year! h.o)

  10. nonconfidencevote says:

    Totally off subject Harvey but did you see the latest Twitter feed of Jagmeet being blindsided by two First Nations Chiefs in Manitoba that stood up at an NDP event, with Jagmeet next to them and they endorsed…. a Liberal candidate.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1432547329882591232

    Absolute silence from the NDP crowd
    Hilarious!

    (Response: Very funny. Wonder if any of the media present asked Singh about it after? h.o)

  11. Eldon says:

    Like you, I definitely want to vote against JT. I wavered slightly when he proposed vaccine passports, but our provincial government pulled that rug out. I don’t need JT to make anti-vaxers uncomfortable. The Conservatives recently voted not to acknowledge climate change which is an archaic view. That leaves Jagmeet. I know what he proposes is unrealistic, but he seems the least odious.

    (Response: A vote “against” is a tried and true Canadian tradition. In this election, a vote for the NDP/Greens hasn’t a hope of making either party the Official opposition: only the Tories can push Trudeau/Liberals out of there. And although it has been a long time since I voted Tory, I will this time, in the hope that O’Toole, a veteran, will have greater ethics, honesty and, yes, more progressive policies than the Tories of the past. h.o)

  12. Richard Skelly says:

    Marge’s multiple observations on PM Trudeau’s shortcomings are as good as any column I might see in a newspaper. The comment from Not Sure reinforces the fact a party can form a majority government with less than 40 percent of the popular vote—a few points less, in fact, if votes are efficiently distributed uin the necessary ridings.

    I’m preparing to vote Conservative for the second time in my 67-year-old life. (I opted for the incumbent Tory in the 2008 election.)

    You mention having a mail-in ballot, Harvey. Is it true that the ballot does not list the candidates and their party affiliation? If I heard a CKNW guest accurately on Tuesday, it’s up to a voter to write in the name of the candidate, taking care to spell it correctly, before returning it in a double- envelope system. If that is the case, there will probably be significant number of spoiled mail-in ballots.

    (Response: It just says “I vote for:” and then there’s a large blank space. But I expect most people would get at least one brochure from each local candidate ..to write in. The key though the mail in ballot must be RECEIVEWD …not just postmarked …before the close of voting on Sept 20. So those who use them should vote EARLY … give Canada Post a week to get your ballot in! h.o.)

  13. nonconfidencevote says:

    “In my riding, Granville Center, I too haven’t heard a word from the Tory candidate I’m hoping to vote for, especially after CTV News at Six ran a a story that the Liberal candidate flipped 30 houses over a 10-year period …including 14 in just one year! h.o)”

    +++

    Yes.
    I wondered about the same thing.
    Liberal candidate house flipper Taleeb Noormohammad has the utter GALL to stand up to a microphone and say he “supports affordable housing”……
    When house flippers are the main reason housing is so unaffordable….?
    And the other candidates are silent!?!?!?
    Talk about a missed opportunity.
    What does it take for these other candidates to pounce on a trapped mouse?

    If the voters of Vancouver Granville elect this Liberal hypocrite it will confirm my belief that the average voter has the intelligence of a fruit fly circling a bowl of rotten cherries.

    (Response: In 2019, Jody Wilson Raybould (Ind) won the riding, Noormohamed (Lib) finished second, and the Tory candidate (not running again) came third, the NDP a distant fourth. I believe this riding could be up for grabs … and have so far received a brochure from the Lib campaign also a phone call … and from the Conservatives… nothing. You’d think they’d be holding press conferences on the CTV revelations .. and referring to it in a door to door mailing. h.o.)

  14. e.a.f. says:

    In my opinion, if the Conservatives became government there would be no difference in the number of Cabinet Ministers B.C. would have in the new government. Doesn’t matter if we delivered the M.P.s which put them in office, it just won’t happen. Both major parties have always tried to make Ontario and Quebec happy. The west has always been an after thought. I suspect the Maritimes is given more thought than the west, but such is life. Two debates in French, yes it does seem a tad much but then Quebecers may watch them more than other parts of Canada.

    This election, for me is not an “any body but……” election such as when Harper was unseated. O’Toole isn’t going to be any better than Trudeau, so I’m just going to vote my usual party. O’Toole is definitely better than Harper and Scheer, but there are still too many “Reform Party types” in the Conservative party for me to be comfortable with them forming government. Just the number of Conservative M.P.s who are anti choice sends me to the closet to scream into the darkness.

    The name of the game is to stay in office. Which ever party forms government, they will do what that takes and if the majority of Cabinet Ministers have to come from Quebec and Ontario that is what is going to happen. That includes the Greens and NDP.

    Does any one remember how many Cabinet Ministers B.C. had when we had Conservative in office?

    (Response: There’s certainly no guarantee O’Toole/Tories would treat BC with any more respect than the Liberals. But politics is a game of numbers: Trudeau picked up 35 seats in Quebec in 2019; the Tories only 10. Trudeau will still do well in Quebec, maybe even better than last time … but that alone will not be enough to take power again. If there is a greater movement to O’Toole/Tories in Ontario, the Maritimes and especially BC … enough to form a minority government, even with little or no Tory gain in Quebec, it would be suicide for O’Toole to make EVERY Quebec Tory MP a Cabinet minister… and give them the high profile powerful portfolios as well. Politically he would be really dumb not to acknowledge/reward Tory growth in BC … with more Cabinet posts, and a few major posts to boot! h.o)

  15. e.a.f. says:

    Noormahamd can be a “house flipper” and want affordable housing. House flipping on its own did not cause the housing affordability crisis this country is “enjoying”. Many people make a living buying houses, either renting them out or fixing them up and selling them again to make a profit. The last time I checked it was still O.K to make a profit in this country. It might be pointed out that the houses Mr. Norrmahamd is buying and selling are not homes the majority of voters could afford.

    the news had an interesting item on yesterday which links the beginning of the “affordability” crisis back to 1994, in Burnaby. It reported a house bought by “migrants” from another country, making that house the most expensive in Burnaby, yet their declared income was some where under $5K. Another home in the multi million dollar range was purchased by some one who had a declared yearly income of under $200. By the time Mr. Normanhamd got into business, the affordability crisis was well under way. I’d suggest he didn’t cause it, he simply makes a living at it as do any number of people in this province. At least the houses Mr. Normanhamd buys and sells don’t wind up being destroyed and winding up in the land fill.

    Affordable housing is required in this country and those who need it are individuals and families who make under $200K a year. This isn’t what some refer to as “social” housing with the attendant social issues but housing for families and individuals who simply can not afford the prices of what is currently on the market. This type of housing should not be large “industrial” housing blocks but rather smaller apartment/town house developments in neighbourhoods all over the province..

    For many the cost of housing is an election issue. There is a lot of talk from the parties about how much money they will put up but all of them are short on details, ie. where it would be built, who would live there, who would run it, etc. how would they be maintained. (N,Y. City has a lot of city owned housing but it will cost a billion to bring it all up to code)

    I’ve always believed if people didn’t have safe, secure, affordable housing they could not deal with other issues in their lives or move forward. Having been the president of a housing co operative, I saw first hand how affordable housing improved the lives of children and their families.

    People in this country are dying by the thousands due to opoids. O’Toole’s proposal was good, but it needs to be bigger. He should be given credit for bringing it up. The real problem is once people have gone for treatment they frequently go back to their old lives. what they need is decent housing, away from their former lives. The way many levels of governments have ignorned this crisis you’d wonder if they had a profit share in it all. But then most people never believe it will happen to their families or their friends. My neighbours and I recently watched it all unfold. A house with a woman and two teenagers went from that to no kids, and 7 meth heads, cars in and out, activities starting at 1 a.m., the usual. One of the neighbours had grown up with some of the addicts. They no longer recognized him, even though he had seen them a few months previously, The land lord sold the house and they moved, but the expense of this on our society is huge yet doesn’t seem to be a big issue for the political parties.

    Promises have been made regarding clean water to Indigenous communities, but we’ve been hearing these “vague” promises for decades. The cost of not providing adequate water are most likely more than providing the water, except it comes out of different budgets, so not much gets done.

    We are a vast country with a small population. We have great potential, yet there are areas in this country which appear to have been abandoned. As BMCQ wrote on more than one occasion a million dollars a day were spent by governments on the DTES and had been for decades to no real avail. We need more than money. We need a plan which works. I’d like to hear a leader talk about that.

    Trudeau deserves a lot of credit for the child cheques which are sent out each month. They raised approx. 250K children above the poverty line but more needs to be done for the children in this country. Will the Conservatives keep these cheques going out or claw them back.

    If there is a minority government, it will be interesting. We may get a prescription program for this country, which would be good, but it is doubtful.

    (Response: The real estate story broken by Ian Young at the South China Morning Post, (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3146957/canada-tax-agency-reveals-secret-study-linking-home-prices ) and repeated on Global Tuesday night and the Mike Smyth show on CKNW today, was TERRIFIC! What amazes me is how so many offshore buyers clearly deceived and lied to the Canadian government, took the Canada Revenue Agency for fools, and probably made millions in the process … and yet under the Trudeau government … CRA officials who knew about it apparently did NOTHING … and even covered it up for years!! How can Canadians endorse that??? I hope the media does not let this story drop …but goes after TRUDEAU and all the other leaders on what hapiened and what should be done. Heads at the CRA should roll! h.o)

  16. E. Johnson says:

    Harvey please explain how you think a Conservative minority will work. The Liberals have relied on the support of the NDP during their minority government. What party do you believe will prop up a Conservative minority?

    (Response: Minority governments produce strange bedfellows. A key thing to remember after any election campaign is that no party can afford another election for quite some time. And if you examine the policies, there really is not a huge divide on many issues between the Tories and the Liberals. Since any minority government requires support, they also tend to be quite moderate, at least in the beginning, and I have no doubt with some tweaking of legislation, a Conservative minority administration would be able to garner votes from enough Liberals, even NDP and the Bloc to get things through. Just as the Liberals did… for almost two years! The BIG decision Canadians have to make Sept 20 is whether they want to keep Trudeau …or give O’Toole a chance. And for all the reasons laid out in my piece, I don’t feel comfortable giving my okay this time to Trudeau and I don’t find O’Toole as scary as Scheer or Harper. h.o)

  17. nonconfidencevote says:

    “Heads at the CRA should roll! h.o)”

    +++

    Pffft.
    Protected, untouchable, coddled govt employees “pay” for gross negligence?
    Never….gonna….happen.
    Nah.
    This secret report was tabled in 1994 ?
    They are all long gone enjoying fat govt pensions subsidized by the taxpayer.
    Corruption and Canada seem to go hand in hand.

    As for e.a.f.’s comment about Taleeb being an innocent housing developer…

    We’ll let the CRA decide if flipping 42 homes in 16 years was a business or “just helping relatives”…

    And the voters get THEIR say in less than 3 weeks.

  18. Not Sure says:

    You said, “Although I would not want to see a majority Conservative government at this time” you are willing to give O’Toole a shot with a minority government.

    Not going to argue that. I am pretty much good with any minority government so even though I don’t support the Conservatives I am not going to freak out at a minority.

    But you also say this. “Voting NDP/Green will just leave the REAL power and purse strings in the hands of Quebec and Ontario voters” therefore we shouldn’t “be satisfied with sending third and fourth place party “dreamers” to Ottawa.”

    How do we get a minority government without sending third and fourth party candidates to Ottawa. With a couple of strategic vote exceptions, I have always voted for the federal NDP. I do so with absolutely no expectation that they will win government or even opposition. I am sending them there because I support their policies (as dreamy as they may be) and hope they can have some influence in pushing those policies especially in minority governments.

    As Nonconfidence noted he wonders if he should vote NDP because the NDP candidate has a better shot at upsetting the Liberal incumbent. Why not vote for a third party you don’t particularly like to hopefully steal a seat from the party you loath and indirectly help the party you support?

    Another question, would you prefer a Liberal minority to a Conservative majority. I ask this because today according to 338, the party odds have now flip flopped. The Conservatives have an 11% chance of forming a majority; and a 49% chance of forming a minority while the Liberals are now the underdog with a 40% chance of a minority.

    CBC Poll Tracker has similar trending although they still favour the Liberals with a 10% chance of a majority and a 44% chance of a minority while the Conservatives have a 4% chance of a majority and 41% chance at a minority. We are definitely in virtual tie territory.

    I am voting third party because I am hoping for a minority and I would prefer the NDP have the balance of power rather than the Bloc.

    (Response: Let’s keep it real: there are certain NDP ridings that will stay firmly NDP, so Canada’s fourth party the NDP (the Bloc is number three in terms of seats) will always have MPs. So there is the opposition a Tory minority government would face: Libs; Bloc; NDP. The key for O’Toole/Tories to edge out Trudeau/Liberals are the vulnerable Liberal/NDP ridings … where the Conservatives just might have a good chance of capturing seats, with small or medium shifts of votes. And in those ridings, voting NDP/Green … without any real hope of their candidate winning … just puts Trudeau/Libs back in power. Not good for BC! h.o)

  19. Keith says:

    Great post Harvey, you have laid out a very good case for voting conservative, and excellent responses so far.

    O’Toole has done a very good job of giving a reason to non conservative voters to give them a look. If voters believe he is sincere with the platform he should pull quite a few votes from other parties and at present in most of the polling measurable, Trudeau, O’Toole and their parties are more or less within the various margins of error.

    Although their platform is something I could easily support voting day, I will be voting NDP purely on the strength of the current M.P. Gord Johns, who I strategically voted for when it was anyone but Harper and the liberal candidate wasn’t up to much. A very understated chap that has got more things done despite being in a minority party compared to the 2 previous conservative seat warmers in the Harper administration that did nothing except look for a camera.

    I’m very much in the camp of why call an election.? Trudeau could more or less get any legislation through with the NDP, although Jagmeet doing victory laps after getting a CERB payment up to 2 grand instead of 1 must irk Trudeau. Going to the polls worked out for the NDP in B.C., the Nova Scotia Liberals also thought it was a good idea at the time until August 17th when they got hammered by the conservatives. For the federal liberals lightning could strike twice, maybe not in the way they hoped for.

    Last federal election I said that it would probably be a minority just not sure what the configuration would be, this election looks to be the same. If it is a conservative minority and there is a mutual benefit I don’t see a problem, and given what O’Toole has put out so far, when push comes to shove it’s close enough to both Liberal and NDP positions that a bit of horse trading couldn’t sort out.

    I would doubt unless there is a very large conservative vote and wins in B.C. too big to ignore, we would see elevated levels of B.C. representation in Ottawa. Vote rich Ontario and Quebec would still get the nod. And if O’Toole did form a government I would be quite happy seeing remnants from the Harper govt. being shuffled out of the limelight, E.G. Pierre Polievre, Candace Bergen et. al. with more centrist and less confrontational ( just for the sake of being confrontational) ministers in positions of responsibility, which could be a bit of a tough go for him given the various factions within the conservative party, but I believe that is the way for conservatives to go if they want to remain relevant and have future electoral success. Canada is changing, they have to along with it.

    (Response: Traditionally, I enjoy elections, so initially I had no great objection to Canada having another one! 🙂 Until I heard the cost of this one will be more than $600 million … on top of the $500 million Canadians shelled out for the last one less than 2 years ago. Hmm! For what reason? The Liberal minority government was not under any threat of imminent defeat; the country was facing a new Delta setback with Covid; families, businesses and workers are still not able to get their lives back to normal; and, forest fires were ravaging so many communities. So why? Because Trudeau thought he’d have a good chance of winning a majority! TOTAL power! Geez! That’s it! Just not good enough for me ..especially in light of the second rate treatment Trueau has given BC in terms of appointments and power in Ottawa. Voting NDP/Green won’t do that: voting Conservative this time can! It’s as simple as that for me: so although I have not been a frequent Tory backer, this time I’m willing to give O’Toole a chance, to send Trudeau packing. And I hope others who feel like I do also vote that way! h.o)

  20. Keith says:

    (Response: Traditionally, I enjoy elections, so initially I had no great objection to Canada having another one! ? Until I heard the cost of this one will be more than $600 million … on top of the $500 million Canadians shelled out for the last one less than 2 years ago. Hmm! For what reason? The Liberal minority government was not under any threat of imminent defeat; the country was facing a new Delta setback with Covid; families, businesses and workers are still not able to get their lives back to normal; and, forest fires were ravaging so many communities. So why? Because Trudeau thought he’d have a good chance of winning a majority! TOTAL power! Geez! That’s it! Just not good enough for me ..especially in light of the second rate treatment Trueau has given BC in terms of appointments and power in Ottawa. Voting NDP/Green won’t do that: voting Conservative this time can! It’s as simple as that for me: so although I have not been a frequent Tory backer, this time I’m willing to give O’Toole a chance, to send Trudeau packing. And I hope others who feel like I do also vote that way! h.o)

    Very much agree Harvey, it is about power and holding on to it. Up to covid landing it seemed the great unwashed were tiring of Trudeau, covid gave him a temporary lease of life. But as the campaign wears on I get the feeling the rhetoric from him is falling flat and being tuned out by voters that are looking for better options, the NDP maybe for strategic votes,?. No-one likes to think of their vote wasted but at this point, Max Bernier’s crew and green votes will be.

    Should Trudeau manage a minority he has been evasive when asked if he should resign whilst still not mastering the art of not answering a direct question without it sounding like he isn’t answering the question. To me that has to be a consideration for the liberal party if after putting the country through a grab at power the status quo remains. If he spins reasons to stay he becomes a liability for the liberals.

    (Response: My big fear is a Trudeau majority! Would much rather see an O’Toole minority …to at least give him a one-term chance. h.o)

  21. NVG says:

    Out of curiousity Harvey, how many candidates have you voted for in all your years who actually became a Member of Parliament? and are you suggesting by ‘giving O’Toole a chance’ means that no matter what the qualifications are of the candidates in your Riding ……

    (Response: OMG … at 76 years old, having lived in four provinces and voted in three (I never voted during my years in Ottawa, because I always saw myself as a British Columbia working there, NOT an Ontario voter). Going back beyond that, can’t even remember the candidates, let alone who won. But I will say that I have NEVER been a sheep, NEVER voting automatically for any party on a strictly partisan basis, no matter how terrible the candidate, the leader or the party record or platform. Most often, I have voted with the non-partisan mainstream of Canadians provincially and federally, echoing the general thoughts/attitudes of most voters on the issues/personalities at the time. That’s why I have voted in Quebec, Saskatchewan and BC for Liberal, NDP and Conservative. Once, Green, just to give them a boost. Last election, I voted Jody, who won and before that Trudeau/Libs who won and way back, in his first election even for Harper/Tories, who also won. h.o)

    • NVG says:

      ….at 77 years old, having been a North Vancouverite since 1975, the only winning candidate for me, provincially, is the current MLA. At the Federal level, NEVER (Cook, White, Bell, Saxton, Wilkinson). So, based on my current MP’s inaction of not providing public access to the Federal Capilano River Fish Hatchery for two years, more specifically, the public washrooms within, you’ll be glad to hear that the Liberal candidate will definitely not be getting my vote.

      You might think its ridiculous to base the determination of a vote on a toilet (fish Hatchery), but, the only other one (toilet) in the popular public park is at Cleveland Dam which is a different jurisdiction, Metro Vancouver.

      However, if Saxton were to promise an open door policy at the Hatchery 24/7, and at least two more toilets per M/F, then I might consider voting for him.

      (Response: There have been times when I have voted for … or against ..a specific local candidate. However, mostly I vote based on the Leader and the parties policies/platform/record. Because it’s the federal (or provincial) Cabinet/caucus who determine/regulate stands and stances. Individual MPs or MLAs are usually just Pavlovian pooches who vote at the ring of the bell by the party whip and follow the party line. THIS federal election, I believe it’s the PARTY vote that counts most … to choose Canada’s next Prime Minister … and thus government, not really the individual MP. h.o)

      • NVG says:

        My August 8th inquiry replied today and its just a form letter:

        Reply from the Minister’s desk (and no mention of the toilets)

        “Thanks for writing regarding the re-opening of the Capilano Fish Hatchery. It is a favourite spot to see salmon migrating, so I know many folks are eager to see it re-open to the public.

        The hatchery is run by the Salmonid Enhancement Program of the Pacific DFO office. I have put in an inquiry about when they will consider re-opening the facility. As you are no doubt aware, it can be a very busy place, especially on weekends, and so for reasons of public health and safety, it has remained closed during the pandemic.

        When I get some news, I will share it with you.

        All the best,

        C.”

  22. e.a.f. says:

    Harvey,, it just isn’t Trudeau. He inherited the problem from Harper and if it all started in 1994, it started with Chretien, continued with Martin, and Harper let it go on and on. Harper in fact enabled it by granting citizens of China 10 year visas. One can hardly blame Trudeau if this has been going on since 1994 with 3 P.M.s prior to him.

    It wasn’t an election issue because people were making money. they were selling their houses, moving, retiring with money in the bank. Every one was happy until the current generation of home buyers were unable to do so. Those who are 40 and under need the bank of mom and pop to purchase a home.

    I do recall you wrote a post back a few years ago about the situation in Terra Nova, expensive houses and the same income as the DTES.

    Don’t blame the deputy ministers who rotated through the CRA, blame the cabinet ministers responsible. When Harper was P.M. a bunch of rich canadians were caught avoiding taxes when some one released private Swiss banking information. What did Harper do? he gave them all a pass. they had to pay the money they owed but no penalty, etc. a get out of jail free card. The rest of us, if we are late filing our taxes and we owe the feds money we are infact fined, yet if you’re a millionaire hiding your money, its O.K. no penalty
    The avoiding of paying taxes by those who can truly afford to, has got to come to an end. No child should live in poverty in canada when .01%ers avoid paying taxes.

    (Response: I have no doubt that government officials and bureaucrats, especially Order in Council appointees, respond to government POLITICAL policies, positions and “advice”. I haven’t noticed too many, federal, provincial, regional or municipal levels …even supposedly independent officers … who aren’t “sensitive” to the positions and wishes of their political masters. And in the case of the recent revelations of the MAJOR failings of the CRA, something should be done to find out what happened and who interfered … and, more importantly, is it still going on? And all that sure won’t happen if the Trudeau government gets re-elected. h.o)

  23. R says:

    We/SNC/blackface
    Trudeau foundation donations?

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