Comments on: Destroying E-Mails Part of a Plan? http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/destroying-e-mails-part-of-the-plan/ Tue, 09 Mar 2010 08:34:52 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: S.P. http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/destroying-e-mails-part-of-the-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-49537 S.P. Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:02:26 +0000 http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/destroying-e-mails-part-of-the-plan/#comment-49537 SIG, I would humbly like to take your statement a bit farther. Campbell has not only demonstrated contempt for the citizenry of this province but previously has shown contempt for the law. We live here, in a society today, where driving under the influence of the drug alcohol, has been illegal for some time. The average, responsible person, on vacation in another jurisdiction, would comply with this life experience; even if it was legal in that jurisdiction to operate an automobile under the influence. I have been to Hawaii many times and have been drinking many times while there. BUT, I have never broken the law by driving there while under the influence. By driving under the influence of drugs in another jurisdiction, Campbell has demonstrated a behavior that he has practiced repeatedly over the years here. This one driving infraction was not an isolated incident, we can all be sure of that. Sorry, a little OT….. SIG,

I would humbly like to take your statement a bit farther. Campbell has not only demonstrated contempt for the citizenry of this province but previously has shown contempt for the law.

We live here, in a society today, where driving under the influence of the drug alcohol, has been illegal for some time. The average, responsible person, on vacation in another jurisdiction, would comply with this life experience; even if it was legal in that jurisdiction to operate an automobile under the influence.

I have been to Hawaii many times and have been drinking many times while there. BUT, I have never broken the law by driving there while under the influence.

By driving under the influence of drugs in another jurisdiction, Campbell has demonstrated a behavior that he has practiced repeatedly over the years here. This one driving infraction was not an isolated incident, we can all be sure of that.

Sorry, a little OT…..

]]> By: SharingIsGood http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/destroying-e-mails-part-of-the-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-49470 SharingIsGood Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:15:49 +0000 http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/destroying-e-mails-part-of-the-plan/#comment-49470 Yes, I caught that Micheal Smyth article, too. I am curious as to what transpires today with Kinsella. In my books, the distruction of that evidence would constitute a criminal act; but if that can't be proven, I would think that a Contempt of Court jailing could take place. Campbell has already shown contempt for the citizenry, I wonder how Judge Bennet would react given Campbell has stated in the Legislature that he has done everything possible to safegard the emails. I don't know how these things are done in the world of premiers and MLAs, but judges throw deadbeat dads in jail for failure to comply. I think it is time that politicians are held at least as accountable as the citizenry. Yes, I caught that Micheal Smyth article, too. I am curious as to what transpires today with Kinsella. In my books, the distruction of that evidence would constitute a criminal act; but if that can’t be proven, I would think that a Contempt of Court jailing could take place. Campbell has already shown contempt for the citizenry, I wonder how Judge Bennet would react given Campbell has stated in the Legislature that he has done everything possible to safegard the emails. I don’t know how these things are done in the world of premiers and MLAs, but judges throw deadbeat dads in jail for failure to comply. I think it is time that politicians are held at least as accountable as the citizenry.

]]> By: SharingIsGood http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/destroying-e-mails-part-of-the-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-49466 SharingIsGood Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:51:22 +0000 http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/destroying-e-mails-part-of-the-plan/#comment-49466 Hey Harvey, Did you happen to catch Vaughn Palmer today. He wrote something of value! His quotes from Hansard are very revealing. Perhaps you are helping to make a difference. http://www2.canada.com/vancouversun/columnists/story.html?id=e93f2ff3-79fc-486d-a436-f32b972bc22e (Response: Yes, I saw that. I hope the Premier did too! And Michael Smyth has repeated my earlier contention ..that the destruction of evidence could lead to a dismissal of the entire case ..which would suit the government just fine. h.o.) Hey Harvey,

Did you happen to catch Vaughn Palmer today. He wrote something of value! His quotes from Hansard are very revealing. Perhaps you are helping to make a difference.

http://www2.canada.com/vancouversun/columnists/story.html?id=e93f2ff3-79fc-486d-a436-f32b972bc22e

(Response: Yes, I saw that. I hope the Premier did too! And Michael Smyth has repeated my earlier contention ..that the destruction of evidence could lead to a dismissal of the entire case ..which would suit the government just fine. h.o.)

]]> By: SharingIsGood http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/destroying-e-mails-part-of-the-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-49463 SharingIsGood Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:30:29 +0000 http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/destroying-e-mails-part-of-the-plan/#comment-49463 Yes, Gary, that Tyee article is a very good one. It is articles tlike that that have allowed The Tyee to win awards and gain readership while CanWest continues to crash. I imagine if CanWest/Global had just read the Tyee articles and then sent television reporters out to actually film news stories and documentaries based on those articles, they would not have had to sell off that Victoria TV station. There are so many things happening on Vancouver Island (and the rest of the province), if I had but one of their trained camera crews, and their editing equipment, I believe that even I might have been able to keep that station going. They lost viewership because they didn't repect their audience. Like Campbell, the management at CanWest shows contempt for the people of BC. Yes, Gary, that Tyee article is a very good one. It is articles tlike that that have allowed The Tyee to win awards and gain readership while CanWest continues to crash. I imagine if CanWest/Global had just read the Tyee articles and then sent television reporters out to actually film news stories and documentaries based on those articles, they would not have had to sell off that Victoria TV station.

There are so many things happening on Vancouver Island (and the rest of the province), if I had but one of their trained camera crews, and their editing equipment, I believe that even I might have been able to keep that station going. They lost viewership because they didn’t repect their audience. Like Campbell, the management at CanWest shows contempt for the people of BC.

]]> By: Gary E http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/destroying-e-mails-part-of-the-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-49453 Gary E Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:45:26 +0000 http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/destroying-e-mails-part-of-the-plan/#comment-49453 I don't miss too many articles in The Tyee SIG. But boy did I miss tha one. Thanks for the enlightenment. I don’t miss too many articles in The Tyee SIG. But boy did I miss tha one. Thanks for the enlightenment.

]]> By: Norman Farrell http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/destroying-e-mails-part-of-the-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-49345 Norman Farrell Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:05:49 +0000 http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/destroying-e-mails-part-of-the-plan/#comment-49345 Title: Mark Hume discusses corruption probe in B.C. politics Date: Wednesday July 22, 2009 Time: 12:00PM PDT Mark Hume of The Globe and Mail British Columbia bureau takes your questions on the political corruption trial that is reaching all the way to the office of Premier Gordon Campbell. Title: Mark Hume discusses corruption probe in B.C. politics
Date: Wednesday July 22, 2009
Time: 12:00PM PDT

Mark Hume of The Globe and Mail British Columbia bureau takes your questions on the political corruption trial that is reaching all the way to the office of Premier Gordon Campbell.

]]> By: genuine http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/destroying-e-mails-part-of-the-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-49325 genuine Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:33:36 +0000 http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/destroying-e-mails-part-of-the-plan/#comment-49325 Absolutely scandalous,this guy's setting up all his duck's in a row!he has 4 year mandate's,no government should be able to repeal laws,or make law's that go beyond their term, unless there is a referendum, especially when it comes to the sale of our assets ! Then maybe we,could stand a chance for democracy!All we have now is democrazy! Absolutely scandalous,this guy’s setting up all his duck’s in a row!he has 4 year mandate’s,no government should be able to repeal laws,or make law’s that go beyond their term, unless there is a referendum, especially when it comes to the sale of our assets ! Then maybe we,could stand a chance for democracy!All we have now is democrazy!

]]> By: SharingIsGood http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/destroying-e-mails-part-of-the-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-49316 SharingIsGood Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:45:35 +0000 http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/destroying-e-mails-part-of-the-plan/#comment-49316 GaryE, further to my answer to your question above, After reading the Tyee article, you will be able to scroll down in "ALL" comments and find 3 or 4 concurrent postings by kootenay (23-02-2009) . They are well worth the read. I recommend the article and just about all of the comments to anyone who cares about our rivers and our environment in BC. GaryE, further to my answer to your question above, After reading the Tyee article, you will be able to scroll down in “ALL” comments and find 3 or 4 concurrent postings by kootenay (23-02-2009) . They are well worth the read. I recommend the article and just about all of the comments to anyone who cares about our rivers and our environment in BC.

]]> By: SharingIsGood http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/destroying-e-mails-part-of-the-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-49308 SharingIsGood Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:53:09 +0000 http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/destroying-e-mails-part-of-the-plan/#comment-49308 Gary E, You asked: "SIG. Can you help me out here? Where can we access draft legislation on this. Can it done on the net?" Answer: A Tyee article gives a good beginning to understanding as much as we can: the Harper and Campbell governments are both notorious for attempting to slide these things under the radar. For Harper, however, it is more difficult because he has a minority government that is held accountable in the House of Commons. The Harper government actually answers some questions presented to them. In BC, we have a government that believes it is merely, "Question Period, not Question and Answer Period" Here's the headline and first 2 pragraphs in the article (that is linked below): "Campbell Wants to Repeal Waterways Access Law: 1882 Act protects citizens' right of access to rivers, lakes, ocean inlets. By Andrew MacLeod, 23 Feb 2009, TheTyee.ca " "The premier of British Columbia, Gordon Campbell, wants the federal government to repeal a major piece of legislation that helps protect the environment. "The attack, which comes at a time when the federal government is already trying to weaken the act in question, at first appeared inconsequential. It rated just one sentence deep in Feb. 16's 40-page speech from the throne. (snip)" http://thetyee.ca/News/2009/02/23/Waterways/ Gary E, You asked:
“SIG. Can you help me out here? Where can we access draft legislation on this. Can it done on the net?”

Answer: A Tyee article gives a good beginning to understanding as much as we can: the Harper and Campbell governments are both notorious for attempting to slide these things under the radar. For Harper, however, it is more difficult because he has a minority government that is held accountable in the House of Commons. The Harper government actually answers some questions presented to them. In BC, we have a government that believes it is merely, “Question Period, not Question and Answer Period”

Here’s the headline and first 2 pragraphs in the article (that is linked below):

“Campbell Wants to Repeal Waterways Access Law: 1882 Act protects citizens’ right of access to rivers, lakes, ocean inlets.
By Andrew MacLeod, 23 Feb 2009, TheTyee.ca ”

“The premier of British Columbia, Gordon Campbell, wants the federal government to repeal a major piece of legislation that helps protect the environment.

“The attack, which comes at a time when the federal government is already trying to weaken the act in question, at first appeared inconsequential. It rated just one sentence deep in Feb. 16’s 40-page speech from the throne. (snip)”

http://thetyee.ca/News/2009/02/23/Waterways/

]]> By: blaffergassted http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/destroying-e-mails-part-of-the-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-49285 blaffergassted Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:14:01 +0000 http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/destroying-e-mails-part-of-the-plan/#comment-49285 (They have to go through the Troll Booth. Just like the rest of us...) But seriously, I'm glad to see this story gaining some traction. The G&M has fascinating comments today. (They have to go through the Troll Booth.
Just like the rest of us…)

But seriously, I’m glad to see this story gaining some traction. The G&M has fascinating comments today.

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