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		<title>By: Crankypants</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/disharmony-in-lotus-land/comment-page-1/#comment-52170</link>
		<dc:creator>Crankypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 03:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can pretty much bet that by the time the HST becomes effective, the Liberals will will come up with some sort of a tax break for the restaurant industry and the new home builders.  These two industries were just too helpful to the Liberals in the last election, and Campbell will find a way to smooth things over with them.  Unfortunately, whatever accommodation these two industries get will also come out of our pockets in the form of more taxes or cut services.  It just keeps getting better and better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can pretty much bet that by the time the HST becomes effective, the Liberals will will come up with some sort of a tax break for the restaurant industry and the new home builders.  These two industries were just too helpful to the Liberals in the last election, and Campbell will find a way to smooth things over with them.  Unfortunately, whatever accommodation these two industries get will also come out of our pockets in the form of more taxes or cut services.  It just keeps getting better and better.</p>
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		<title>By: Li</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/disharmony-in-lotus-land/comment-page-1/#comment-52155</link>
		<dc:creator>Li</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find Maureen Bader - BC director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation - to be intellectually dishonest more times than not. 

In this particular article the facts do not get in the way of her argument, though a little more rigour would be nice.  Bader should have given a specific level for the increased  basic personal exemption in BC and her reasons for that dollar figure.

My suggestion would be $16,640 - this is equal to working full time at 40 hours per week (2080 hours/year) times BC&#039;s infamous minimum wage of $8/hour. The BC Liberals would save face with their business brethren and the poor working stiffs would have more disposable income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find Maureen Bader &#8211; BC director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation &#8211; to be intellectually dishonest more times than not. </p>
<p>In this particular article the facts do not get in the way of her argument, though a little more rigour would be nice.  Bader should have given a specific level for the increased  basic personal exemption in BC and her reasons for that dollar figure.</p>
<p>My suggestion would be $16,640 &#8211; this is equal to working full time at 40 hours per week (2080 hours/year) times BC&#8217;s infamous minimum wage of $8/hour. The BC Liberals would save face with their business brethren and the poor working stiffs would have more disposable income.</p>
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		<title>By: genuine</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/disharmony-in-lotus-land/comment-page-1/#comment-52148</link>
		<dc:creator>genuine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not professing to be a know it all but ,I have been reading these blogs &#039;follow the talk shows,listen intently to all sides,and came to the conclusion,that if one turns to far to the right and keeps to the end of the path he or she will follow it to the doorstep of fascism or on the other hand if one follows to far to the left he or she will end up on the doorstep of Communism,so as a centrist ,I would follow the road to democracy,where we would all end up at the doorstep of a common good for all,isn&#039;t that  the path we were promised if we followed,we followed but promises where made to be broken?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not professing to be a know it all but ,I have been reading these blogs &#8216;follow the talk shows,listen intently to all sides,and came to the conclusion,that if one turns to far to the right and keeps to the end of the path he or she will follow it to the doorstep of fascism or on the other hand if one follows to far to the left he or she will end up on the doorstep of Communism,so as a centrist ,I would follow the road to democracy,where we would all end up at the doorstep of a common good for all,isn&#8217;t that  the path we were promised if we followed,we followed but promises where made to be broken?</p>
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		<title>By: genuine</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/disharmony-in-lotus-land/comment-page-1/#comment-52138</link>
		<dc:creator>genuine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To make matters worse they&#039;re using our tax dollars to keep us away from our resources,our resources are ours and do not belong to the liberal party of BC,that&#039;s why anything that is enacted to sell off or give away of resources beyond a parties mandate of four years should be brought to referendum,which would legitimize any action made by government of the day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To make matters worse they&#8217;re using our tax dollars to keep us away from our resources,our resources are ours and do not belong to the liberal party of BC,that&#8217;s why anything that is enacted to sell off or give away of resources beyond a parties mandate of four years should be brought to referendum,which would legitimize any action made by government of the day!</p>
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		<title>By: genuine</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/disharmony-in-lotus-land/comment-page-1/#comment-52136</link>
		<dc:creator>genuine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S.L.P,great quotes ,I hope that people have read them and taken  them  to heart because that is truly what is happening,fascism,and some people have been hung in village squares for that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S.L.P,great quotes ,I hope that people have read them and taken  them  to heart because that is truly what is happening,fascism,and some people have been hung in village squares for that!</p>
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		<title>By: S.L.P.</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/disharmony-in-lotus-land/comment-page-1/#comment-51966</link>
		<dc:creator>S.L.P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rich have never paid their fair share of the tax burden.  In the last 150-200 years we have simply changed irresponsible royal families for irresponsible corporations, which are owned and controlled by the rich……so here we are back at the same place once again………… the same place that revolution took us away from……..

BUT there have been warnings about this a very thing long ago…….

Thomas Jefferson 1802:

“&#039;I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”

Franklin Roosevelt:

The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rich have never paid their fair share of the tax burden.  In the last 150-200 years we have simply changed irresponsible royal families for irresponsible corporations, which are owned and controlled by the rich……so here we are back at the same place once again………… the same place that revolution took us away from……..</p>
<p>BUT there have been warnings about this a very thing long ago…….</p>
<p>Thomas Jefferson 1802:</p>
<p>“&#8217;I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”</p>
<p>Franklin Roosevelt:</p>
<p>The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism&#8211;ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Harvey. Great article. I am going to stop spending. Right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Harvey. Great article. I am going to stop spending. Right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/disharmony-in-lotus-land/comment-page-1/#comment-51954</link>
		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth, a great idea! Won&#039;t happen, but good idea anyway...after all...we all know the rich didn&#039;t get that way by paying their fair share. They got that way by hiding their earnings in foreign banks, and/or not declaring them in the first place.

Mind having the sleaze of government in your corner doesn&#039;t hurt either. Just ask all those socially conscious corporations whose tax we have to pay in their stead, beginning July of next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth, a great idea! Won&#8217;t happen, but good idea anyway&#8230;after all&#8230;we all know the rich didn&#8217;t get that way by paying their fair share. They got that way by hiding their earnings in foreign banks, and/or not declaring them in the first place.</p>
<p>Mind having the sleaze of government in your corner doesn&#8217;t hurt either. Just ask all those socially conscious corporations whose tax we have to pay in their stead, beginning July of next year.</p>
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		<title>By: seth</title>
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		<dc:creator>seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While it is ironic that Bader at the CTF and her gang were the biggest cheerleaders for El Gordo during the election, I love her no sales tax idea compete with Alberta idea. I&#039;ve got a better one - replace all sales tax with income tax on the rich.

When Mulroney&#039;s fascists introduced GST there was a lot of analysis that showed an increase in income tax by 2% would have eliminated the need for a GST. In fact there are numerous studies to show that income tax is a far fairer tax structure than sales tax.

Of course, just like with our fascist governments today big business told Mulroney what to do and here we are.

If we want efficiency, lets eliminate all sales tax and a la Obama put a 10% tax increase on incomes over 250K to pay for it. After all the rich are the ones that want US to pay for tax efficiency. Let them put THEIR money where their mouth is!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it is ironic that Bader at the CTF and her gang were the biggest cheerleaders for El Gordo during the election, I love her no sales tax idea compete with Alberta idea. I&#8217;ve got a better one &#8211; replace all sales tax with income tax on the rich.</p>
<p>When Mulroney&#8217;s fascists introduced GST there was a lot of analysis that showed an increase in income tax by 2% would have eliminated the need for a GST. In fact there are numerous studies to show that income tax is a far fairer tax structure than sales tax.</p>
<p>Of course, just like with our fascist governments today big business told Mulroney what to do and here we are.</p>
<p>If we want efficiency, lets eliminate all sales tax and a la Obama put a 10% tax increase on incomes over 250K to pay for it. After all the rich are the ones that want US to pay for tax efficiency. Let them put THEIR money where their mouth is!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the HST was meant to help us &quot;in the long run&quot;, it will fail miserably. You can&#039;t &quot;shift&quot; corporate taxes to a citizen, yet expect that citizen to keep buying as he or she once did. That&#039;s what this tax is, a permanent shift - to allow corporations more profits and less responsibility. Do people really expect a corporation to drop their prices? To pass the savings on down? Get Real! 

Look at Terasen, their PST was 36 Million, dropped to 4.5 Million - and they still refused to pay it. They&#039;re considered a good corporate citizen by this government - but how do you feel about making up the tax this Corp refuses to pay? And how many others are there out there just like them? No one out here knows. 

As for Carole, I&#039;ve been an NDP supporter/voter for the last 10 provincial elections - that will end if she is still leader in the next election. That is not sexist. People don&#039;t vote for someone they can&#039;t believe in, it&#039;s that simple. Either she stands up and does her job, or she stands down, and allows someone who knows how to do it take over. Thus far, I don&#039;t have a lot of hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the HST was meant to help us &#8220;in the long run&#8221;, it will fail miserably. You can&#8217;t &#8220;shift&#8221; corporate taxes to a citizen, yet expect that citizen to keep buying as he or she once did. That&#8217;s what this tax is, a permanent shift &#8211; to allow corporations more profits and less responsibility. Do people really expect a corporation to drop their prices? To pass the savings on down? Get Real! </p>
<p>Look at Terasen, their PST was 36 Million, dropped to 4.5 Million &#8211; and they still refused to pay it. They&#8217;re considered a good corporate citizen by this government &#8211; but how do you feel about making up the tax this Corp refuses to pay? And how many others are there out there just like them? No one out here knows. </p>
<p>As for Carole, I&#8217;ve been an NDP supporter/voter for the last 10 provincial elections &#8211; that will end if she is still leader in the next election. That is not sexist. People don&#8217;t vote for someone they can&#8217;t believe in, it&#8217;s that simple. Either she stands up and does her job, or she stands down, and allows someone who knows how to do it take over. Thus far, I don&#8217;t have a lot of hope.</p>
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