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Ethnic/Racial Pandering Should Have NO PLACE on Election Ballot

September 24th, 2018 · 26 Comments

Canada has TWO official languages: English and French …. and either one of them, or both, should be the ONLY languages that appear on election ballots in BC.

But in a stunning decision by local elections officials, a candidate for Vancouver City Council will be allowed to include his name in Chinese characters on the Oct 20 civic election ballot.

Why?

Yan told officials that since Chinese characters are how some people know him, he wanted those on the ballot.

The bureaucrats ruled that under Vancouver election rules “candidates can be listed with any name they are commonly known as” … so acceded to City Council candidate Brandon Yan’s request to include his name in Chinese characters on the upcoming ballot.

Wrong!

I get the “commonly known” idea.  In fact, I still remember Mr. Peanut! And I know that in the upcoming Vancouver vote, some individuals have registered their names as “Rollergirl”, “Spike” and “Mrs. Doubtfire”; and in a previous vote, according to one news story, a candidate also used an indigenous name “s??emt?na:t”.

But notice … ALL of them used Canada’s Official languages of English or French for names/characters or their phonetic equivalent … so all voters could read the entire ballot in Canada’s official languages and know or pronounce them as they want .

I say asking that Chinese characters (or any other foreign characters/symbols) be used on the election ballot is an abuse of the rules and would dangerously and divisively introduce race and ethnicity onto the election ballot.

If Yan can do it, what about others?  I’d bet just about EVERY candidate with a non-English or non-French background has an original or traditional ethnic name … Russian, East Indian, Arabic, Hebrew, First Nations, Inuit, Japanese, Farsi, Korean and, yes, several varieties of Chinese (Cantonese, Mandarin, Taiwanese),  and don’t forget Tibetan and even Uyghur.

Until now, every candidate has anglicized  or francophized or alliterated  their names … not just for business and social reasons, but to appear on the ballot in a way that ALL voters should be able to clearly identify them.

To allow foreign language characters on election ballots will divide Canadians … not unite us … and allow some candidates to unfairly campaign/appeal right on the ballot with a racial/ethnic identification reminder.

In fact, two school board candidates, Ken Denike and Sophia Woo, are challenging the decision to allow Yan to include his name in Chinese characters on the ballot, calling it “an unfair advantage” … and are asking that  it be removed or that all candidates be allowed to do the same. They are absolutely correct …and will get my vote for having the courage to stand up and speak out.

If far-too-politically-correct mandarins and politicians start permitting foreign language characters on our election ballots, there will be no end to it … and if officials allow Chinese, but not others, that will be even worse!

Candidates should be known/identified by their established performance records, reputations and platforms … ie as they are perceived EQUALLY  in the entire Canadian community … not set apart on the ballot by race/language.

I have no objection to governments … at any level … offering brochures, information or even services in other languages to citizens, landed immigrants and refugees … not just Asian, but Arabic, Hindi, Spanish, Portuguese or Cree, Inuktituk or even Dogrib … where justified.

But the language on election ballots should be ONLY one or both of Canada’s two OFFICIAL languages.

When anyone immigrates to Canada, they have a duty to fit in to OUR ways and culture and to follow our laws … not push and demand that WE change to accommodate them and even become more and more like the places they left!

And, frankly, if anyone has lived in Canada long enough to become a Canadian CITIZEN and gain the PRIVILEGE to vote, it should not be too much to expect that they be able to read and identify candidates in at least ONE of Canada’s OFFICIAL  languages!

Harv Oberfeld

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Tags: British Columbia · National

26 responses so far ↓

  • 1 e.a.f. // Sep 24, 2018 at 9:45 am

    Harvey your first “mistake” was thinking Mandarin isn’t the official language in some sections of the Lower Mainland. There are Mandarin speakers who believe this country needs to accommodate their language and give it, in some cases, priority over English and French. As one potential candidate in Richmond was alleged to have said, ‘they had been polite, for long enough. Now they were going to engage politically so they could be more comfortable’. Yes apparently Richmond hadn’t been accommodating enough to Mandarin speakers.

    There are those who have arrived in Canada in the last 20 years or so who believe we need to change, not them. Those at City Hall who decided it was fine to permit Mandarin to be used on the ballot, think they have seen the future and are going to accommodate it so they will have jobs when they win elections.

    of course this individual is pandering to his base. However, if people can not read or write English or French, they ought to learn so they can engage in our country as Canadians, not as people from other countries.

    Just remember the strata board, in Richmond who refused to provide translators for those who only spoke English, like in no Mandarin.

    There were comments in your previous blog about those who put their religion above the laws of Canada, however, have a look at those who came from various Asian countries in the past 20 years. They want their language, their customs, their money laundering, their gambling habits all to be accommodated as if they were still in the country they came from.

    If you’re going to live in Canada, then use a Canadian written version of your name on the ballot. Any thing else just screams, I’m a Mandarin/Cantonese speaker and I don’t give a shit about any one else. Elect me and I’ll cater to all your wishes for changes to accommodate just you.

    The community of Bountiful is an excellent e.g. of people who thought their religion superceded the laws of Canada. yes, I know people usually refer to people from other countries in this manner, but just remember, we have a whole lot of those in Canada, born and raised here of European descent.

  • 2 Gene The Bean // Sep 24, 2018 at 10:38 am

    Wrong on so many levels. You hit all the points Harvey, I find no need to repeat them – although we all know who will.

  • 3 Marge // Sep 24, 2018 at 11:04 am

    This is not related to the above story but definitely one for the political books and scary to boot.
    My husband and I recently received our voters registration card for municipal elections only to find we had a new member living at our address unbeknown to us.
    There are three issues that arise from this:
    The first being there is no such person as this fellow now listed on the voters’ list.
    We also do not have borders or a suite which would provide residence for this fellow (or any other person) in the fifteen years we have lived here.
    The third thing is that when we went to the government web site we found out that it would allow me to update a profile for this nonexistent person – typical BC Government trash programming (inputting my personal information). I just didn’t have the heart to check the box – Is the above information true and accurate.
    The real question is: “How can Elections BC make this kind of stupid mistake and allow me to turn a non existing person into a real person?” How many dead people and false identities are on our voters’ list?”
    My husband jokingly asked: ”Is this the only way the NDP could possibly stay in power? Or maybe it is a Christie Clark come back.” His dislike for politicians is somewhat similar to mine.

    (Response: I understand mistakes on the voters’ list can happen …but I wonder how often this has happened …or if it is deliberately done, so someone, with several listed addresses, can vote more than once. h.o)

  • 4 Thresher // Sep 24, 2018 at 11:17 am

    I agree 100% with you Harvey, two official languages is more than enough!

    While I believe that the political correctness that has permeated our lives over the past decade or so, came about from “good” intentions it has, without a doubt, gone too far.

    My fear is, given the nature of the political world at the moment (uprising in right-wing, populist parties), the backlash against all things PC will be out of proportion to the problem and we will end up with our own set of Doug Fords or Donald Trumps in BC.

    (Response: The vast majority of immigrants try hard to fit in and adapt to our customs and laws, while enriching us with diverse aspects of their culture and cuisine, but I also believe there are also those who push and want US to change instead to accommodate them. The problem is our politicians … looking at potential ethnic votes rather than principles … fail to take a stand when the demands go too far … and I believe putting ANY languages/characters on election ballots … other than Canada’s Official languages is a push in the wrong direction that, in a country with more than 100 various ethnic groups in our midst, could lead to chaos in our election process down the road. h.o.)

  • 5 Hawgwash // Sep 24, 2018 at 11:34 am

    “Yan told officials that since Chinese characters are how some people know him, he wanted those on the ballot.”
    “….how some people know him, he wanted those on the ballot…”

    By that logic the ballots would become excedingly confusing as they filled up with multiple horses backsides and in the mayor category, sphincters.

    Soon they will have completed the take over of Canada by default.

  • 6 BMCQ // Sep 24, 2018 at 11:42 am

    A very well put Essay and Analysis Harvey.

    The acceptance and adoption of anything like this by any City Council/Government as you describe and point out would be is in fact Racist and totally unacceptable under almost any circumstances.

    Personally I will be voting for NPA Mayor Ken Sim and Council Candidates, but not because they are Blue, Chinese, Vietnamese, Swedish, or any other Ethnic Mix. I simply feel and hope they will provide the Good People of Vancouver much better Government, control Government Spending, Waste, and Bloat, while at the same time doing away with the SJW Social Engineering that has virtually destroyed the Downtown Core of the City I was born in.

    Unfortunately the Social Engineering and the rest is much like a Bad Case of the Mange and it is spreading everywhere.

    To Vote for ANY One Individual because of their Sexual Identity, Preference, Ethnic Origin, Religion, Language, is an affront to Democracy and should be Illegal and Banned in Canada or any Democracy.

    I am “Aghast” !!

    I may be incorrect but I believe there is a good chance the individuals that request their name be identified by Chinese Characters may risk alienating a very high percentage of the voters that find this act and decision offensive.

    If that is so I feel the individual with the Chinese Characters on the Ballot may lose Votes from many that might otherwise support their Candidacy. Most Voters will be offended by this action.

    Even if that Individual is someone I might normally support I would be looking the other way and ignoring him/her completely, this action is simply unacceptable.

    In closing I would recommend that it would be acceptable for any party to speak out now and promise to do away with this practice for future Municipal Elections.

    I am guessing this might come under the Provincial/Municipal Charter.

    If that is so we can expect absolutely no attention to this matter from the Horgan Government, I believe we would have more of a chance to have an “Elvis Sighting”, or perhaps even seeing Elizabeth May as Opposition Leader after the 2019 Federal Election.Leader !!

    Premier Horgan would look at enacting any Legislation Regarding this worse than Gorging Himself on a “Kryptonite” Sandwich !

  • 7 Art Smith // Sep 24, 2018 at 12:02 pm

    But, but, but, diversity is our strength Harvey, haven’t you been paying attention?
    Once identity politics is put up with, this is what we have to look forward to. Each faction wanting special consideration for themselves and to hell with everyone else.
    It began with our PM, pandering to every ethnicity he thought would be useful to the Liberals and has spread to academia and the law courts, where we are all supposed to be equal, but as we all know, some are more equal.
    Unfortunately I don’t see any stopping it now.

    (Response: Actually ALL leaders and parties pander to the ethnic votes…showing up at holiday celebrations, wearing ethnic attire, making platitude-filled speeches etc. And when it came to taking questions, even during election campaigns, Harper was one of the worst … severely curtailing taking questions and sometimes holding press availability sessions or taking questions (real puffballs too) ONLY from Asian media. Trudeau, Scheer and Singh are a breeze in comparison… and the PM takes lots of questions and does so quite frequently. h.o.)

  • 8 13 // Sep 24, 2018 at 2:46 pm

    Agreed…….. but wwhat about the charter. I know that Surrey has municipal signage in a dialect that I don’t comprehend. Not very professional. Multi cultural?. Would we be okay if yan only had chinese characters and no English translation? How would his name fit on an alphabet based ballot?

    (Response: I don’t mind “information” signs or brochures etc in a language where a substantial minority exists but think there’s a big difference between someone putting up their own store or campaign sign in another language and the language(s) to be used on official election ballots…or in governing legislation. As far as store signs, I’m torn: I can understand the current Quebec law that allows a second language on store signs, as long as French is paramount ..ie larger; but I could also be convinced to defend someone’s right to put up a store sign only in ANY language they want…and let them suffer the consequences of losing business from those who don’t understand or feel welcome. h.o.)

  • 9 SG // Sep 24, 2018 at 3:18 pm

    Wow, that truly is disturbing, and hopefully not the beginning of what our future will permanently look like. As someone who owns property and winters in México, has a Mexican bank account and has permanent residency status in México, I had no choice but to learn how to conduct all my business in Spanish. I would except all new Canadians to conduct all their official business in one of our two official languages.

    (Response: Even as a snowbird in Florida, I took classes to learn a bit of Spanish ..not because I had to but because I wanted to: there is NO reason anyone who has made it to become a Canadian citizen and wants to vote should not be able to understand enough English (ou francais) to read names on a ballot. The problem I fear is that most of our BC politicians are too afraid to stand up to stop this erosion of even Canada’s official languages…. and unless they do, get ready for more foreign languages on future election ballots. h.o)

  • 10 BMCQ // Sep 24, 2018 at 4:52 pm

    Retailers, Industrial, Commercial should be able to use Signage in any Language or Symbols they desire as long as there is no compromise of any Safety Regs.

    If that Business is willing to take the chance of losing Business because certain Consumers are not aware of which type of Business is inside and they do not frequent that outlet that should be the Outlets individual choice.

    My Wife On the other hand believes that English should be Prominent then the second Language less Prominent in this part of Canada.

    Interestingly enough she is of Metis Decent AND BELIEVES English should also be Prominent in Quebec with French less Prominent.

    Go Figure.

    13 – 8

    I like the question about Alphabetical.

    I am sure it would need to go before Parliament and it would take up to five years or more to conclude whether it would be acceptable for “People Kind”.

    Then of course the Apology Tour of 7 or more years would begin.

  • 11 Gilbert // Sep 24, 2018 at 9:36 pm

    I fully agree that candidates should use one of Canada’s official languages on ballots. Languages which don’t have Roman alphabets such as Mandarin, Cantonese, Japanese, Arabic, Ukrainian, Korean, Hindi and Malayalam shouldn’t be allowed in this particular situation.

    (Response: Exactly. And Yan’s request to use Mandarin (inadvertently?) exposes exactly what the danger can be: he explained he did it to honour his father. Is an election ballot the place to do that??? Because according to translation’s I’ve seen of the Chinese characters, they do NOT merely spell out or say Brandon Yan ,but “Yan remember where you come from” or ” Yan remember your origins”. To me, those say much more than a name: they are campaign slogans … a direct last minute message that could easily sway Mandarin-reading Chinese voters ! How can city officials allow that on ballots! And if Yan can have a slogan, why can’t all other candidates. This is stinking more and more…but I fear we don’t have election officials or politicians …or enough media …. brave enough to step in and demand (legislate if necessary) an end to it. h.o)

  • 12 BMCQ // Sep 25, 2018 at 7:34 am

    Rather interesting that there was No Foreign Language or Chinese Characters On the Ballots in the New Brunswick Election last night.

    I also noticed that the Incumbent Liberals were defeated and it appears the Conservatives will form Government.

    Oh, and also this, the NDP was Shut Out!

    Tick Tock!

    I spoke to Life Long Hong Kong Chinese Friends of mine last night who came to Canada when quite young and they feel the use of Chinese Characters On a Ballot is unfortunate, unwise, and they believe it could Backfire.

    SG – 9

    Harvey – 9 – Response

    What you both did shows respect, thought, and your simple actions are very commendable.

    (Response: I’m sure you know there is a BIG difference between provincial and federal elections … so before you gloat too much about a PC win and the NDP being wiped out in NB, let’s keep it real: the PCs and Libs are only one seat apart, and the Greens won three seats, so as we know in BC, anything can happen before a new NB government is sworn in. And even if the PCs take government in NB …there will still be in Canada: two PC governments; two NDP governments; and 5 Liberal governments (6 if you include the Yukon) … so the PCs have a ways to go before gloating. h.o)

  • 13 RIsaak // Sep 25, 2018 at 9:11 am

    A microcosm of this issue recently appeared at our Richmond strata owned pool. Someone used shampoo in the hot tub which caused the caretaker to take the hot tub out of service due to some need to clean the remaining soap residue from a chlorination device. He posted a note on the pool door indicating this issue. A note appeared the next day beside the caretakers note, it read “please post all poll regulations and rules in Mandarin so we can understand what we are allowed to do when in the pool”. The note was written in very decent English, ironically.

    A quick thought of all the different languages used in our complex will mean, Urdu, Punjabi, Cantonese, Dutch, both Germans, Russian, Tagalog and Mandarin all should be given the same consideration if this request is taken at face value.

    The next morning another note appeared and said something to the effect of, your real estate sales agreement, tax bills, strata minutes all are in English, we will not be providing them in Mandarin either.

    Obviously this entire issue has now become the primary topic for most who live here, and many of the usual topics have been tossed aside due to this latest issue on languages.

    The looming civic election has many in Richmond focusing on racial differences as opposed to actual election platforms, a trend which in no manner is going to result in much if any real concerns being addressed.

    I’m actually looking forward to getting back to the topics of birth tourism, monster homes on farmland, tax increases and the like, this recent turn, turns my stomach and the many varied reactions are possibly the most distasteful I’ve heard on any topic!

  • 14 Gene The Bean // Sep 25, 2018 at 10:25 am

    RIsaak #12 – “The looming civic election has many in Richmond focusing on racial differences as opposed to actual election platforms, a trend which in no manner is going to result in much if any real concerns being addressed. ”

    Welcome to modern conservatism. Divide. Foster fear and hate. Be afraid. This is all out of the conservatard playbook. Fear the future – praise the past. Against almost everything – for almost nothing. Perfect message for the “base” to wallow in.

    Hopefully Richmond voters act appropriately and respond to candidates that support ALL in the community, actually have a real platform and are not just haters that try and divide and conquer.

    It is up to the electorate. People elect governments that they deserve. If normal people do not become involved and stand up for their morality and let the selfish haters control the agenda – they deserve to be governed by people like Harper, Christy, Campbell, Scheer and Trump. It isn’t the 33% of the wingnut right – it is the 33% of the centrists that need to put down their phones and vote.

    After getting laughed out of the UN today, the Big Orange Clown put Murica’s laughing stock government in full view of the world. A shining beacon of conservatism …. hahahaha

  • 15 BMCQ // Sep 25, 2018 at 10:30 am

    Not Gloating at all, as I have recently pointed out on this Blog I soon expect a new NAFTA Deal, I expect PM Justin to be victorious and remain Prime Minister for at least Two more elections, and I have absolutely NO confidence in Singh or Scheer.

    I was merely pointing out that the NDP were absolutely Decapitated in New Brunswick.

    And about “Keeping it Real”?

    Yes, let us do just that.

    Within a very short period of time the Alberta Notley Government will soon be defeated and replaced by a Conservative Government.

    With all due respect to Premier Notley I believe she is a great individual and she is fighting for her Province.

    Notley is a person of Integrity, Strong Character, and she is a Fighter, My Hat is off to her!!

    That leaves ONLY one NDP Government in power anywhere in Canada.

    And that was not due to the Great Campaign run by Horgan, Meggs, Gunton, and Chief Campaign Strategist Adrian Dix, the NDP were victorious only because of the Horrible Campaign run by the Arrogant Autocratic Liberal Leader and Premier Christy Clark.

    Christ Clark managed to “Grasp Defeat from the Jaws of Victory” all by herself, Horgan and his Minions had absolutely nothing to do with the NDP Election Win.

    And oh yes, just where would the NDP Government be without a Huge Assist from the Greens?

    Bottom line to all of this is the very important FACT that the NDP as a Party Federally and Provincially are very quickly becoming irrelevant going the way of The Dodo Bird.

    I wonder, will Horgan allow Chinese Characters on the next B.C. Election? What about Richmond, I cannot find anything on that.

  • 16 Diverdarren // Sep 25, 2018 at 2:50 pm

    Harvey, I’d say you’ve described a “symptom” of the “disease”, but instead of saying Chinese characters on a ballot is wrong (which it is, total agreement), why not condemn the source of the wrong?

    That being, multiculturalism is dictated on all governments by the Charter, and as a result of the Statist Progressive left trying to twist society into the idea that it is Canada that needs to accommodate other cultures instead of the expectation for other cultures to assimilate into Canada.

    There is no expectation, either legally or societal for other cultures arriving to Canada adopt Canadian cultural norms or laws. Quite the opposite, in fact. If one were to express the idea that Canadian laws and culture should be celebrated and adhered to, they would quickly be attacked by the left with name calling and fear-mongering.

    If you need an example of the Lefts’ tactics just look at their rhetoric towards Bernier, or going further back, look at the Lefts’ attacks when kellie Leitch said this shocking statement,

    “I don’t think it’s intolerant to believe in a set of values that we expect everyone to share here and include those people who are coming to visit or immigrate to Canada.”

    My apologies to the Statist-Progressives on this site for repeating what you leftists consider hate-speech.

    A nation can be a liberal democracy and place their national culture at the forefront of the beliefs and values of new-comers. You need to look no further than France to see this approach in action, and working.

    The French approach will create a more long term harmonious society. a society where your colour or religion is not what drives your beliefs on how society should be organized, but one where being a Frenchman or Frenchwoman drives your beliefs.

    If we want to fix the issues that we face in our society look to fixing the root cause… toss the Charter, multiculturalism is but only one flaw in Daddy Trudeau’s law.

    (Response: I think it’s a bit of a stretch to connect what happened here to the Charter. Yan simply made a request, he says based on his personal desire … and sceptics might say based on an attempt to get a leg up on other candidates by using Chinese voters. Officials could have said NO: Canada has two official languages …use them. I doubt he or anyone would have filed a challenge under the Charter. As for multi-culturalism, though, I would agree with you somewhat. I used to think it all harmless … allowing people to keep and celebrate their roots, but I now can see how some have taken that as a licence to ghettoize their lives: where they live; where they shop; who they have as friends; who they hire; even which customers they seek out … rather than integrating into the larger community. BUT I don’t think we should panic yet … I still believe that, within a generation, even the kids of these isolationists will be better educated and reach out eagerly to be part of the larger Canadian family. When they do that, hopefully still without losing their own culture or even maternal language skills, Canada will be the richer for it. h.o)

  • 17 13 // Sep 25, 2018 at 3:25 pm

    Ah the old strata council dilemail. Having served on a strata council for more than 20 years I have never encountered any need to use any lingo except English. I have never encountered any obvious or hidden conservatives on a x strata council. Mind you we were always elected on a platform of common sense. So perhaps it was conservatism and nobody noticed

  • 18 e.a.f. // Sep 25, 2018 at 6:14 pm

    BMCQ, the N.D.P. has never really been a player in N.B. or anywhere in the Maritimes. Now the election in N.B. is very, very interesting. Watched the results as they were coming in. Greens got 3 and the PA got 3. Not bad. The Cons got one more than the Liberals so this is going to be if not interesting, entertaining.

    What did go through my mind was, perhaps the P.A. may have some interest in the Bernier party federally. What that election did demonstrate is small groups can have an immense impact and as in B.C. hold the balance of power. The only language debate ever in N.B. is about French and English. Not a lot of immigrants from other cultures choose the Maritimes, except for of course the family of refugees from Syria, who know have a vibrant chocolate company and its product is on the space station.

    Using Mandarin in shops in Richmond doesn’t hurt their businesses at all. They were established to serve only one demographic and it isn’t ‘the English speakers. When the first Asian malls opened in Richmond, it was not unheard of for Canadians of European descent to be asked to leave.

    The problem I have with some shops, is they only list one language. Must Punjabi shops have English and Punjabi. That works very well for me. But in Richmond, if you don’t know exactly where you are, you couldn’t tell 911 which store you were close to because you can’t read the language.

    The man in the strata “discussion” regarding the lack of translation into English, filed a H.R. complaint, sold his unit and moved to Vernon.

    One thing I do know now very, very clearly is how First Nations felt when their languages were pushed to the margins. What goes around, comes around and now we all know how it feels.

    (Response: Can you cite EVIDENCE that “When the first Asian malls opened in Richmond, it was not unheard of for Canadians of European descent to be asked to leave.” I have never heard of mall officials or shop owners ever asking potential customers to leave. h.o.)

  • 19 e.a.f. // Sep 25, 2018 at 10:36 pm

    When those malls opened it was fairly common knowledge in Richmond, Canadians of European descent were not welcome. These were malls on No. 3 Rd., between Cambie Rd. on your right hand side, going towards, Bridgeport Rd. More than one person I knew, thinking they might pick up a few things were simply told the mall was for Chinese only. If you were coming off of the Oak St. bridge, and heading up No. 3 some people first though they could get things at the “Chinese” mall and avoid the traffic around Lansdown and Richmond Center mall.

    This summer while attending a wedding, some of us were discussing where we grew up. when I mentioned Richmond, one young woman was very clear how unfriendly she had found it, 10 years ago. she had gone in, and been told it was a “private mall”. when she asked how she could get a membership she was told her request would not be accepted.

    if you check back in the records of the now defunct, Richmond Review, you will find the articles. it has changed, but at one time “white” were asked to leave.

  • 20 Gerry // Sep 25, 2018 at 11:14 pm

    DIVERSITY IS BS

  • 21 Hawgwash // Sep 26, 2018 at 7:29 am

    Harvey at 18 “Can you cite EVIDENCE…?”
    When one enters a business and the staff will not make eye contact, turn away or, when spoken to in English, respond in Chinese, it becomes evident you are not welcome. Probably 15 years ago I had regularly heard of Chinese only malls and wanted to experience it firsthand.

    I went to Aberdeen Mall on Three Road and encountered the above reaction. Another smaller strip mall nearby produced the same result, only zero response to English this time.

    But don’t just take my word for it, listen to what a Chinese descendent himself says.

    https://www.richmond-news.com/news/no-foreigners-a-play-explores-nostalgia-in-chinese-malls-in-richmond-1.23167751

    e.a.f cites a commonly known understanding, if not fact.

    (Response: There is no doubt that people of EVERY language, EVERY culture will encounter boorish behavior from an ignorant clerk in a store where another language is prevalent. I used to run into that several times in stores/restaurants in largely French-speaking areas of Quebec, even if I spoke French … but the actions of a few individuals should never tar any entire group. So if one or two or three clerks/proprietors act poorly …not fair to say “they” in reference to all from that ethnic group. By the way, things in Quebec seem generally much more comfortable now … that doesn’t mean perfect, but certainly generally friendlier. h.o)

  • 22 BMCQ // Sep 26, 2018 at 8:37 am

    I have attached a 2013 Van Sun P. McMartin Column which covers a bit of the Chinese Cultural and Language Issue in Richmond that People have concerns with.

    I had a few exchanges with Mr. McMartin over the years and found him to be somewhat arrogant and opinionated but then again that is not uncommon is it?

    One thing for sure I certainly wish I could write like Mr. McMartin, he was/is very skilled.

    Having said that I found this to be very helpful.

    http://www.vancouversun.com/life/pete+mcmartin+readers+speak+race+racism/8213885/story.html

    e.a.f. – 19

    If I had made stat3ements about certain Chinese Malls, Commercial Establishments, Chinese People, Chinese Characters etc. were Unwelcoming YOU, Bean, and several others on this Blog would accuse me of being RAcist, Bigotted, Intolerant, Unwelcoming, Not Inclusive, eh uh Not Embracing Diversity, an Abuser of Children, an Abuser of First Nations, a 1% Percenter, Trumpish, Boorish, Rude, and even “Orange”.

    But even though you would accuse me of all of those things I am STILL going to “Throw You a Life Line” on the statements you made regarding the FACT that some “Tightie Whities” have been made to feel unwelcome in Chinese Establishments in Richmond.

    You, e.a.f. are In Fact Correct !!!!

    The Mall with Some Unwelcoming Stores/Establishments and Proprietors/Staff you Speak that is not interested in Hosting White Women is called the Aberdeen Centre in Richmond, and yes the odd time the Yohan Centre.

    My Wife and Friends quit going to both of those Malls because of the problem.

    There may be several reasons for the Unwelcome Attitude of the Chinese you describe.

    A little of it is a Language Barrier, a lack of confidence in dealing with Non Chinese like you or my Wife and her friends but there is also another big reason for the behavior of Shopkeepers.

    Things have changed dramatically over the past many years since Mainland Chinese began to come to Canada and YVR.

    Many, not all Mainland Chinese are much much different than what we saw come into Canada from Hong Kong, Taiwan, and other Asian Countries and People.

    Hong Kong Chinese, Taiwanese, Vietnamese, Filipino, Korean, Japanese, Vidtnamese, Swedes, Italians, and the rest went to great effort to become part of what was and should have remained a “Melting Pot”.

    My Mothers Family came from Sweden and they retained their Identity, Customs, and Swedish Meatballs, but they did their best to Bond with Canadians and Canadian Culture.

    Then of course we had that “Social Engineering Genius” Pierre Trudeau and everything else changed.

    Multi Cultural Means Separate and it was a Disaster.

    Along with the Repatriation of the Charter PET managed to Destroy Canada and Canadian culture, while at the same time guaranteeing a Bloated Government with Uncontrolled Spending , and a never end to Bureaucratic Bungling, and Grid Lock in Legislation.

    Then add Mainland Chinese Attitudes and their Culture to that mix we have a growing problem which is in fact creating Resentment from Canadians of All Ethnic Backgrounds including Hong Kong Chinese that DO Not like what the Mainland Chinese are doing in this Country.

    Simply look at the results of Real Estate, Gambling Casino Gate, and many other frustrating situations we are all faced with.

    My Wife goes to Oakridge about twice a week and the same for Kerrisdale, she and her friends who are somehow Tall and Blondish esperience the same indifferent attitude from Chinese Shopkeepers in both palces from time to time.

    And Yes, even HK Chinese, Taiwanese, Korean, and the rest esperience the same Unwelcoming Experience from time to time.

    I am told it is really only/mostly Women that experience this.Personally I do not shop anywhere in Richmond, Oakridge, or Kerrisdale.

    I have been going to Asia since I was quite young and I have spent more time in Hong Kong than Jackie Chan. The HK Chinese have always been welcoming, hospitable, helpful, generous, and gracious. Since the Chinese take over it is not quite the same.

    At one time I knew over 300 People in Hong Kong, about half of them HK Chinese. A close friend of my Fathers who was HK Chinese took me there long ago and he was the first to introduce me to Authentic Chinese Food in Vancouver at the New Diamond and Jade Palace Restaurants.

    I still visit Chinese Restaurants like Hon’s in New West, Green Lettuce, Pink Pearl, and Dai Tung in Vancouver with Business Associates and Good Friends and we are treated very well and welcomed with open arms.

    I was in many places in HK, Kowloon and the New Territories. I was in fact one of the few Whites to enter the “Walled City of Kowloon” which was place different than anything you might experience in life. I was taken through the City several times by a Friend who was at the time the Highest Ranked Chinese Police Officer on the Hong Kong Police. Yes there was a “Glass Ceiling”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kowloon_Walled_City

    Chinese have brought many good things to Vancouver but the Mainland Chinese have not been asked to participate in Canadian Society due to the fact that PET and the rest of the Canadian Federal Governments since have not explained to them that “Yes, You are Welcome to Canada but we have Certain Expectations.

    Because they have not been made to respect Canadian culture, Tax Laws, Legal Business Practices and the rest many of those Chinese have taken advantage of Canada and Canadians.

    We have No One but Ourselves and Our Governments to Blame for this problem.

    Let’s not forget in the case of the Real Estate Disaster the very important fact that Canadian Governments of many Brands were and are asleep at the switch and they have allowed mostly Chinese to get away without properly Declaring Capital Gains and other important Rules of Law of Canada.

    CRA has actually admitted that they have ignored Capital Gains when Chinese are concerned because they do not want to appear Racist.

    Absolutely Sickening and Unacceptable, and CRA Management should be made Accountable and Fired.

    It is not too late, CRA could go back and carry out Audits and still collect Capital Gains, Penalties, and Interest from Real Estate Flippers.

    And yes there is in fact several different ways that Law Enforcement and CRA can investigate and aprehend Money Launderers of Casino Gate.

    All it takes is the Political Will.

    Offenders should be Prosecuted and they should be made to make Restitution.

    An investigation like that would bring in $ Billions which could then be used for Affordable Housing Medical Services for Seniors.

    It is the Responsibility of Canadians of All Ethnic Backgrounds to ensure that the “Rule of Law” applies to any and all Residents of this country.

    We all have Rights but we do not have the Right to change anything in Sociedty without proper Legislation and the full agreement of the Canadian People at any level of Government.

    My Wife and her Friends have not been refused Service but they certainly were and have been ignored.

    Again they did not go back to Aberdeen after one incident and in Oakridge they simply avoid the unfriendly shops.

    You are in fact on solid ground on this e.a.f.

    Gerry – 20

    Diversity is Juvenil PC Baffle Gab Promoted by Canadian Drama Teacher and Prime Minister JT.

    Canadians should ALL be Equal, No One Ethnic Group of ANY Origin should be more important than any other.

    (Response: I have been to both Yohan and Aberdeen centres and have never felt unwelcome when shopping or eating. Yes, there can be a language or cultural barrier, but isn’t that to be expected when the vendors/sales clerks may be fairly new immigrants not totally fluent in English? It’s no different than going into an East Indian grocery or Pakistani or Hallal market that caters to their culture … they may be more comfortable dealing with customers who speak their own language and know their own foods etc. but I don’t feel unwel0me …and have never had my money refused! The language on the ballot issue is my biggest concern, not the shopping … yet. h.o)

  • 23 BMCQ // Sep 26, 2018 at 10:47 am

    Harvey – 21 – 22

    I believe you have a valid point when you refer to Language, Culture, etc., and I have taken that into account.

    I have been a Member of a Vacnouver Golf Club for many years and almost all Private Golf Clubs would have been out of business due to lack of Members if it had not been for Chinese, Korean, Japanese and other Asians becoming Members.

    Most New Canadians of that demographic tdo tend to stick to themselves unless you or I speak to them to “Break the Ice” and I do that. IMHO those new Asian Members have been a benefit to Golf Cl;ubs over all.

    But I do understand what e.a.f., Hawgwash, My Wife, Friends and others also point out, there is a different attitude with some Mainland Chinese New Comers.

    If my other Asian Friends also point this out I have no concern in taking their word for it as well.

    Apparently Line-Ups/Queues can be a SOB.

  • 24 e.a.f. // Sep 26, 2018 at 12:15 pm

    BMCQ, I would not have referred to you as racist and somewhere along the previous lines, other subjects by Harvey, I’ve actually written that.

    We usually only agree on a subject two or three times a year. However, there has been nothing in your writings which would lead me to conclude you are racist in your attitudes. People can be Conservative and not be racist. People can be left wingers and be racist.

    Sounds like the private golf clubs have come a long way. When I was a kid, if you were a person of colour or a Jew you couldn’t join any of those private clubs. Its why the Richmond Golf and Country Club on Steveston Hwy. was eventually built/

    Jews were not permitted to join the Vancouver Men’s club until the 1970s. When Chief Justice Nathan Nemetz was first appointed to this position part of the package was membership in the Club. They refused to accept him. It was only after former A.G. Richard Bonner, Socred, told the B. of D. if they didn’t accept Nemetz as a member, he, Bonner would resign and be clear about why. (if you check a very old Jack Wasserman column, its there also) If you go through Jack Wasserman’s old columns you will also read that people of colour were not permitted at one time to live in British Properties unless they were listed as servants. The MSM, at the time wouldn’t report on racism, but Jack Wasserman, in his “salon column” did. At the time The Vancouver Sun was still owned by one family.

    (Response: Getting way off track … Can we stick to the blog topic pls. h.o)

  • 25 Diverdarren // Sep 26, 2018 at 3:00 pm

    It’s probably a moot point, because Vancouver election officials want the ballot to pander to ethnic groups, and the two candidates, Woo and Deniki, who are suing are not suing to stop the characters on the ballot, but instead to have their names in combination with Chinese characters as well.

    A quick look at the Vancouver Charter says: 77.1(c) the full name of each candidate or, if a candidate specified a different usual name in the nomination documents, this usual name.

    The question is, is Yan, Brandon ??? his usual name?

    Does he introduce himself in public this way?
    Can he show this is his “usual name”, as opposed to just the name he wishes to have on the ballot.

    Looking at his website it’s votebrandonyan.com, no special characters in his URL.

    He links to articles he has written;
    https://www.straight.com/news/1029121/brandon-yan-and-cara-ng-car-dwellers-how-we-are-failing-vancouvers-invisible-homeless

    Seems to just use Brandon Yan in the by-line.

    His full time gig is Education Director at Out on Screen.
    https://outonscreen.com/meet-the-team/#team

    His bio is just plain old, Brandon Yan. No Chinese characters.

    I’d argue that when Brandon displays his name in public his usual name is Brandon Yan, and as such that is how it should be written on the ballot. But I won’t hold my breath waiting for Vancouver Election Officers to uphold the law.

    (Response: Really good points. But I doubt there are many public officials … bureaucrats or elected … who have the backbone to stand up against this expansion of languages on election ballots beyond Canada’s two official tongues … without at least a public referendum first to see how people feel about it; whether all languages and characters should be allowed; or if only Mandarin, why? What makes this case of special concern is that the Chinese characters apparently do not just spell out Brandon Yan in phonetics, but introduce a whole new dimension … a personal phrase that I (and I’d bet others) regard as extra info that could even attract more votes from Mandarin speaking voters. All other candidates should be outraged. h.o.)

  • 26 D. M. Johnston // Sep 26, 2018 at 3:42 pm

    But, this is Canada, the post national country or something like that. Rules are for the great unwashed, but ethnic voters are important and all political parties will pander to them.

    The Official Languages act seems to keep ordinary Anglos from getting lucrative government jobs.

    My blood pressures rises with is discriminatory practice.

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