Full BC Rail Story NOT Yet Told

It’s one of the oldest political, bureaucratic and corporate tricks: when there is bad news to release, do it late on a Friday afternoon or just before a major holiday. Chances are you’ll catch most of the media rushing to head off for the weekend; many of those who would normally comment already out of reach; and even most of the public caught up in their own weekend/holiday plans and not really paying attention.

And it works.

News has a shelf-life shorter than that of a day-old muffin. So what better tactic than to release embarrassing reports, documents than  when so many are elsewhere occupied.

Maybe it was just a coincidence that, on Dec 18 …just before the Christmas and New year break … BC’s Auditor General Russ Jones released his report into the payout of $6 million to David Basi and Bobby Virk’s lawyers in the BC Rail scandal.

But I was not surprised at the timing: nor was I surprised at the findings …there was nothing illegal about the payouts and Jones could find no evidence of political interference in the decision by top bureaucrats to authorize the payoffs.

That still doesn’t end the REAL story.

Anyone who has operated within any level of government, anyone who has covered any level of government and anyone who has closely observed any level of government knows VERY WELL top bureaucrats OFTEN don’t need to be told what to do to please their political masters: THEY KNOW!

It has always been my impression they rememer who appointed them; they remember who sets their salaries and bonuses; they know what would serve their political masters’ interests … and their own.  And they know what decisions and what courses of action can bring the best rewards, the promotions … or can end their careers.

The question in my mind, and I susopect a million British Columbians as well, is not whether the bureaucrats acted legally … it’s:




It stinks.

And no report, released just before Christmas, saying it was LEGAL, will …or should … end the questions.

The truth, or at least much more it, could have come out had the NDP won the provincial election and west up a full inquiry; but loss of the election prevented it. But that does NOT mean most taxpayers don’t want the matter to pursued.

When the Legislature resumes sitting Feb 11, the Liberal government will no longer be able to hide from Opposition questions.

Let’s hope the NDP do NOT forget: the BC Rail selloff scandal story is not yet fully told.

And the government must not be allowed to pretend it is.

Harv Oberfeld

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34 Responses to Full BC Rail Story NOT Yet Told

  1. john's Aghast says:

    Good questions Harv, and so many more!

    It is readily apparent to anyone that has followed this scandal that:
    -1) the “purchase” price of 1 billion $ (?) was absurdly low. If a Northern Gateway Pipeline is worth $5 Billion then the BC Rail should have been worth $15 Billion

    -2) there was an obvious effort to deflect the sale to successful proponent

    -3) there has been a huge effort to obfuscate, confuse and hide the truth of the matter from the taxpayer, as well as the sleuths who are more familiar with the questions that need to be answered.

    Why doesn’t the Kamloops Dailey News, which is going out of business anyway, get together with the Bloggers and publish one final, gigantic expose that could reach those 90% (my guess) of folk that are too busy working, taking the kids to hockey/dancing /soccer practise to realize how badly they have been/are getting ripped off?
    Rhetorical question of course!

    Glad to see you’re back, full of piss & vinegar!

    (Response: Great questions! Maybe the NDP should refer the government …and the media …to them in this blog when the House returns! 🙂 h.o.

  2. Barry says:

    Oh Harvey–In the words of some our MSM commentators, you’re a “BC Rail Cultist!” Nothing to see here, just move along…

    I hope someday we get the answers. The truth does have a way of getting free. It may be that most of us will be worm food when it happens.

    I can’t help but wonder if this were done by the NDP, would MSM have been a lot more bulldogish on the case?

    (Response: Yes. And so would the radio pundits. h.o.)

  3. I.F. Stone weeps! says:

    Maybe your former colleague, John Daly, can play a “hunch” a la the Glen Clark home invasion and revive journalistic cred re this scam…..yeah….right.

  4. D. M. Johnston says:

    I have purposely not commented much on BC Rail as it was such a massive case of corruption, probably the largest case that the province has seen to date and where was was the mainstream media?


    It was like the mainstream media were blind deaf and dumb about this massive malfeasance.

    Oh the MSM were all over Glen Clark for a suspicious sundeck and hunting knife and all over Van der Zalm for questionable personal land dealings; but with Campbell the MSN all but shut down.

    The entire BC Rail fiasco reeks of corruption; it reeks of political interference and it reeks of media hubris.

    The NDP have played the BC Rail card very poorly and while Dix panders to Chinese voters for nebulous apologies, the BC Rail scandal limps ever forward, confusing and confounding the public with very questionable actions by the BC Liberals.

    What BC Rail has demonstrated is that the MSN will never report truthfully about BC Rail corruption, thus it can be said, the BC MSM are nothing more than the propaganda arm of the BC Liberals.

    The fifth estate has become the Liberal estate.

    (Response: What a story like this needs is a crusading media maverick who won’t let it go. I used to enjoy doing that ..and BCTV gave me/others lots of freedom to go after stories like that (GVRD recycling contract, the attempt by powerful forces to get rid of Pajo’s fish barge in Steveston, federal waste in Ottawa, Bouchard’s hypocrisy, the huge cost to Quebec of separatist politics, Dirty Tricks, Gracie’s finger, etc. etc.). I don’t see them doing much of that now ….making people in power mad, embarrassed and apologetic. Pity…people WATCH that stuff ..and it DOES keep the powers that be wary. h.o.)

  5. Susan says:

    I would add that voters memories also, have a shelf -life shorter than a day old muffin. Only have to look at the last BC. Election to see that, won on sound bites . Sad and frustrating .

    (Response: It’s true. So too bad the NDP didn’t remind voters of the BC Rail fiasco and other Liberal failings much more often during the campaign. h.o)

  6. Lew says:

    Couldn’t agree more, Harvey. The government must not be allowed to skate away on this despite the AG’s report. Most of the usual media suspects were immediately tripping over their shoelaces in their haste to trumpet his exoneration of the government, but a multitude of inconsistencies and unanswered questions (about which I’m writing him) remain. Consider just this one on the issue of keeping out of the Special Prosecutor’s kitchen:

    “Legal Services Branch did not initiate and was in no way involved in discussions of a guilty plea to conclude proceedings.”

    “This release agreement was kept distinct and separate from Mr. Basi and Mr. Virk’s negotiations and agreement with the Special Prosecutor.”

    “Our review also found evidence of public servants diligently keeping the decision to amend the indemnities separate and distinct from the plea negotiations with the Special Prosecutor that concluded the trial.”

    In his report he details how Legal Services Branch recommended the waiver in exchange for guilty pleas as a way to save money by concluding the proceedings early, how Legal Services Branch negotiated for two weeks with defence counsel after being told the Special Prosecutor’s plea deal wouldn’t even be put to Basi or Virk until the $6 million was waived, and how Legal Services Branch drafted and sent the final agreement to defence counsel that stipulated Basi and Virk had to plead guilty on the counts and the terms required by the Special Prosecutor before the Crown would sign the waiver. Keep in mind that all this was conducted with the same defence counsel negotiating at the same time with the Special Prosecutor. No way involved? Separate and distinct? A bit of a stretch.

    By the way, the release signed by Whitmarsh “having the effect” of amending the indemnity MAY be legal depending on whether the payments were a loan, and whether the security was an obligation to the Crown, but the October 14, 2010 agreement might eventually prove to be a tad more problematic for the Legal Services Branch.

    (Response: The government must never be allowqed to say the a-g’s report said there was nothing wrong in the handling of the BC Rail sale, corruption case tc. He said he found nothing ILLEGAL …. big difference in my view. h.o.)

  7. chuckstraight says:

    I agree with your story- we do not know the whole story , or the truth. And, as a former employee and apprentice at BC Rail- it would sure be nice to know.
    Personal opinion is that there are a few people, some in high places should be in the slammer.

    (Response: I don’t know about that… I just know the WHOLE story has not yet been told. h.o.)

  8. r says:

    NDP wanted a touchy feeley no fail to protect public reminders whilst radio ran anti NDP -he signed a letter reminder ads .? nearly every day during morning commute around election time.

  9. 13 says:

    What is the old saying about people that keep repeating the same experiment and expecting different results? I do not expect that the NDP will have any effect on the dredging up BCR conspiracies in 2014 than they have in the past decade.
    I also dont think that the people of BC have short term memories. They simply dont care. Does that make them day old muffins or just stale tired crusty buns that have watched the NDP chase its tail and dont find it funny anymore.
    Having said all that let the digging commence.

    (Response: It’s not that people don’t care: it’s that NOT ENOUGH people care. That’s why we have the type of governance (any party in office at any level) where they feel they can get away with almost anything, as long as they hand out goodies pre-election, make all kinds of grandiose promises … and are just a bit better at it all than the others.But we idealists keep trying to wake people up … and hope one day things will change. h.o)

  10. Scotty on Denman says:

    The public inquiry into the BC Rail scandal, which would have examined the breach of public trust committed by its privatization, the corruption of that sale and the corruption of the ensuing corruption trial, may never happen; one thing’s sure: it’s at least postponed so long’s the BC Liberals hang on to power. Having witnessed the NDP’s disastrous, lilly-livered “positive campaign”, I have to wonder if they would have pursued it anyway, had they won. They sure couldn’t have done worse if they’d taken the BC Liberals to task for the BCR scandal (it wouldn’t have bothered me in the least if BCR had gotten crowded off the list of negatives on the BC Liberals’ sorry record—would’ve gotten to it eventually—but, Jeez !… if the NDP had only raised ANY BC Liberal sins! There were so many, how could they have missed?)

    Never mind, BC Rail ain’t goin’ nowhere—we’re living with the fallout every single day: some histories will probably blame the HST lie for Gordo’s political demise but that was only the last straw—he’d already lied to us before (about not selling off BCR, for example) and gotten re-elected anyway. Nope, it was, at least in my view, BC Rial that turned BC against him; from this POV, the scandal had far-reaching repercussions: took out Gordo, which went on to claim Carole James who wouldn’t kick a man when he’s down, no matter how much deserved, which produced Adrian Dix who wouldn’t berate a lady, no matter how un-lady-like, which gave us Christy who’s bombastic fibbery scared half of Gordo’s orphaned caucus off of incumbency, which installed Rich Coleman to run the worst government in Canada. Every single day.

    All courtesy of BC Rail. Now that’s a train wreck. Even a run-of-the-mill campaign would have beaten this tired, stinky old kleptocracy. Everyone’s kissing that billion-dollar public asset good bye but that’s only a one time loss, gigantic as it is—what about the tens of millions of BCR revenue that flowed into public coffers? Then there’s the cost of maintaining this parasitic government, especially since being emboldened by victory nobody, not even themselves thought possible. The cost of this fiasco is almost incalculable and will haunt us in everything from potholes to beds in hospital hallways.

    Personally, I suspect we’ll learn more in dribs and drabs about this ongoing outrage from deathbed confessions, revenge, blackmail— whatever—than anything the NDP can put together. Hope I’m wrong but for now we’ll just have to listen to that lonesome train whistle blow—that used to be ours.

    (Response: The inquiry will never happen: by the time the NDP is in power, it will be a really old case…lots of info will have been destroyed; memories fade; people leave or die or can’t remember etc. I’m also doubtful about confessions based on conscience etc …but I think there could be a chance that some time, someone who feels wronged on some other matter or missed promotion or nasty experience with the government will leak a still-unseen memo or handwritten note or even recall a meeting or conversation. I can dream…can’t I! 🙂 h.o.

  11. R says:

    Meanwhile BC passes by flying colors the
    60 billion dollar debt mark.while people scramble to avoid ,now a full fare tool bridge,turning Pautello bridge into a parking lot at rush hour and golden ears toll bridge loses 45 million a year ,9 miles down the road.

    Is a 3 billion dollar Richmond tunnel replacement accounting looking like this:
    150000 billable hours?
    no bid ,sole source contract?
    600 million for bridge and 2.4 billion at 100 million a year maintenance contract.?equals 3 billion.?

  12. Keith E. says:

    Hi Harvey,

    I tend to agree with your response to Susan #5

    “Response: It’s true. So too bad the NDP didn’t remind voters of the BC Rail fiasco and other Liberal failings much more often during the campaign. h.o”

    With the Leg. sitting so few days in the year the opportunities to nail the Libs. are getting further away. It also undermines the work that you, Alex and others have done. Between the bloggers there was more than enough material to keep this front and centre. All they had do was cut and paste onto a question sheet. But for reasons I will never understand that was too hard for them.

    Combine that with many B.C.ers of voting age with the attention span of a t .v. commercial and mostly individual materialistic priorities, B.C. rail will end up being lost in the shuffle.

    As the NDP moves on to more pressing matters of equity representation and the natural fibre industry, game, set, match and comfortable futures for the main players that slipped it by enough of the willingly uninformed to get them elected again.

    (Response:Time is speeding by, and I’m under no illusion that there’s any real hope NOW of ever getting a full inquiry into the whole BC Rail sale and the corruption legal fix. And of course, there are always new issues and new priorities to press in the House…but I really hope that, just on principle, the Opposition WILL raise the issue again and again to nail home the fact that the public have been denied the full true story of WHO and WHY the deal was done the way it was. h.o)

  13. RossK says:

    If some enterprising media crusader were to decide to go after this story, and move backwards from the ‘deal’ towards the beginning, he or she might want to start by requesting an interview with former Attorney General Plant what, precisely, he meant when he wrote the following:

    “The defendants pleaded guilty. What is clear is that there was no legally binding deal. There couldn’t be. The waiver of recovery of fees was not and could not be an inducement to plead guilty. As a matter of law they were not connected. But that was of course the outcome. It was done very, very carefully, to make sure the rules were followed.”

    But it was understood that with guilty pleas, the claim to fee recovery would be waived.”

    Doesn’t seem like a big deal?

    Well, go up and read Mr. Plant’s last sentence again.

    And then, ask yourself the following…

    If there was an ‘understanding’ that there would be a waiver of fee recovery if there was a guilty plea how, precisely was that not a prior inducement?


  14. RS says:

    What would it take to see Campbell, Maclean, Kinsella, Plant, the Clarks, Marrisen, Bornman, Elmhirst, Kieran, Basi, Virk…testify under oath?

    On second thought, they all spent a considerable amount time, energy and money to keep the truth from coming out for over a decade, why would we expect them to tell the truth at this point in time, or in the future , even under oath. One must possess even just a modicum of integrity to respect sacrosanctity of an oath.

  15. Jimson says:

    Harv, once again I have to disagree with you. The BC NDP made the BC Rail scandal a key platform point, promising a fully funded public inquiry.

    The voters did not vote for this. As an NDP supporter who believes the BC Rail case is a corrupt one, I hope the NDP moves on from this.

    People (voters) simply don’t care about these kinds of scandals and harping on these scandals doesn’t garner votes, period. Time to move on and select a platform that will win votes.

    (Response: I believe they fell FAR short of reminding the public how DIRTY the whole thing was. It was a campaign-ad goldmine …that went largely untapped. h.o.)

  16. Lew says:

    They had more than “an understanding”. They had a written agreement with the Assistant Deputy Attorney General of Legal Services Branch that stipulated that if, and only if, they pleaded guilty on the counts and in accordance with the terms specified by the Special Prosecutor and were convicted, they would each be absolved of liability for over $3 million and have any security they’d provided in favor of the Crown returned to them. A further condition of the agreement was that they not disclose this fact to the media or anyone else, presumably including the Special Prosecutor and the presiding judge, or the agreement would be of no force or effect. If it smells like an inducement, and walks like an inducement…

    Incidentally, the language used in the AG’s report to describe the pleadings sounds a lot like that used by Mr. Plant. And the writings I’ve received from the Attorney General’s ministry both directly and in volumes of correspondence during a written inquiry into disclosure complaints by the Information Commissioner (ruling due any day now) could be folded into the AG’s report and you’d never know the difference. They’d blend right in. Hmmmm…

  17. morry says:

    The REAL BC Rail story has not ye teen told. The whole Trial and Plea bargain is a stinking joke.

    Many folks have not been fooled by the BC Liberals. They are _Covering Up_ the truth.

  18. Susan says:

    Besides wondering whether the ndp will raise this issue, one of the other very troubling matters is how poorly the mainstream press covers these issues. The ndp ran a terrible campaign, but they were aided by the mainstream press who backed off from any criticism of the liberal record during the election campaign and the facts were all there. To the contrary they seemed to do whatever they could to help the current government get re- elected, including endorsing them in print as the party to vote for.
    Is this really the place of the press ? I don’t think so! Personally I find the two vancouver newspapers more redundant all the time, in their level of anything other then superficial reporting most days. Plus what they seem most interested in at election time is manipulating voters into voting according to their owners/employers preferences. Not to difficult a task i mipust admit, given the attention span & memories of voters these days, as well as the lack of in- depth thinking by people on the issues at hand.. Definitely an election won by sound bites with some help from the press guiding the “stories” that appeared in print. I do not see that as the role of a free press in a supposed democracy. Though when 22 % of voters decide for the rest of us- it doesn’t feel too democratic, and things like BC rail etc easily get to pass into the history books unexplained, collateral damage. It is discouraging.

  19. 212Degrees says:

    So many things that the public should be outraged about originated with the infamous BC rail case. Not just the original deal, but all the resulting corruption and failures by the very agencies ( media, RCMP, Auditor General etc.) that had a duty to exhaustively investigate when confronted with such obvious contradictions and attempts at cover up. After all the time and money spent, the public deserves to be left with more then just a tremendous sense of frustration.

    (Response: think the RCMP did their jobs ..well. The screw-ups were at the court level, which in BC is really no laughing matter anymore. It’s a total mess …making the judges and lawyers very rich, but only rarely delivering real justice to victims and protecting the public or preventing habitual criminals from plying their trade over and over and over again, with little consequence….or effective treatment. h.o)

  20. Wayne in Victoria says:

    Thanks Harvey. This very much needs to be kept alive.

    Curiously, the phrase “bring the administration of justice into disrepute” doesn’t seem to get linked to Railgate. It should. How can it not be.

    While we’re at it lets throw the Wally Oppal inquiry into the grinder. The former AG does the report on the missing women? Give me a break.

    (Response: I blogged that would be a waste of time … and I realty believe it was. The cops knew they screwed up; they knew how and they and their bosses were already changing the setup to hopefully prevent such easy screw-ups and lack of communication again. All these inquiries do is make the lawyers very rich, provide the media easy pickings for filling their shows, giving victims friends ands relatives more time in the spotlight … and opportunities to demand more, more, more…from government, of course. But they never ask the really tough questions…where the hell were all the families, agencies etc while the women were growing up, going awry and even out on the streets for years. They deserve a LOT of the blame, in my view, but no Oppal, or media pundit or politician or even police rep will ever say that …publicly. h.o.)

  21. john's Aghast says:

    “Crusading media maverick who won’t let go”.

    Sounds like its right up your alley Harvey!
    I know; you’re retired. So am I, but I’d gladly come out if I thought I could be of any help on this issue (or any other, except donating $25 to the NDP every time they ask).

    Wouldn’t it be great to be back in the thick of things; like to good old days?

    And the shower of adulation & gratitude from your readers; and the royalties from book sales, and the book signing sessions. Reconnecting old relationships. Kind of gets the adrenaline flowing, doesn’t it!

    Wow! Please give it some consideration Harv. There is no way we have time to educate someone else to do a credible job.

    (Response: No. Not anything I would want to do …did it for 38 years…think that was enough. There are people out there who COULD do it…if news management really wanted them to: think about that. Much more enjoying sleeping in (till 7:30 a.m.!!!) Wow! Going for walks along the seashore or in the woods, spending a lot of wintertime in Florida … and just today, booked another cruise. No stress, deadlines, corporate wankers to deal with. Life if good; retirement is great! And if I was back “reporting”, I certainly couldn’t also blog…take sides and denounce some those I’d cover. 🙂 h.o

  22. R says:

    Is CBC the only msm to do investigative reporting .?
    Are they free of political interference at the national level even thought taxpayer funded partially.?

    (Response: I believe CBC puts private tv to shame when it comes to national news. Of course, they get a huge taxpayer subsidy … but, despite a lot of waste, I believe it’s worth it overall. The federal government may not interfere directly, but I believe tries to apply pressure through funding cuts and threats of more to come. h.o)

  23. morry says:

    Our Best investigative Reporters in BC are either Retired or Independents :

    Rafe Mair, Harvey Oberfield, Alex Tsakumis, Laila Yuile and Norm Farrell.

    What a sad and pathetic state the MSM is in BC.

    Vaughn Palmer is toothtless and Keith Baldrey is blind

  24. e.a.f. says:

    welcome back and very good questions. However, it is doubtful we will find the “real” answers in our life time. its just one of those things. decisions were made to protect specific players. The MSM didn’t do their job. the NDP could have had a field day with the BC Rail escapade and most likely won the election on that. Dix and the brain trust didn’t and we won’t. By the time another government is formed, the paper work will all be gone and there will be even more memory failure. The only way to find out the WHOLE TRUTH, is for some one to either just come out and tell it or someone goes into the computers and finds it.

    Some of us have come to our own conclusions as to what happened and why and we are most likely correct. It was ever so sleazy. The trial was most likely halted because all that memory failure on the stand was getting just a tad much,

    If and when the leg. reconvenes, and the NDP remembers to ask the questions, the lieberals will simply pull a harper and not answer. its power for the course. voters re elected them and thats all she wrote.

  25. Lew says:

    e.a.f., I share your concerns, but I’m not giving up. The Auditor General needs to answer a whole pile of questions before his audit can be considered either complete or accurate and will soon receive a ten-pager asking those questions. We can’t look to the NDP for answers because Leonard Krog told me in writing the NDP considers this a dead issue.

    On June 18, 2011 I wrote the Assistant Deputy Attorney General with the following question:

    “Were there any agreements, oral or written, between the Crown (Government of British Columbia or its agents) and Mr. Basi, Mr. Virk, and/or their counsel after October 01, 2010 that specified terms or conditions under which any liability or potential liability for their legal fees would be removed, their indemnity agreements amended, or interest in the Basi mortgage waived, based on their court pleas and/or the findings of the court?”

    He refused to answer, but as RossK points out above, former Attorney General Geoff Plant says, “What is clear is that there was no legally binding deal. There couldn’t be. The waiver of recovery of fees was not and could not be an inducement to plead guilty. As a matter of law they were not connected.”

    The Auditor General now describes exactly such a legally binding deal, dated October 14, 2010. It was signed by the Assistant Deputy Attorney General to whom I wrote, and Basi and Virk. It ties the waiver to the guilty pleas, which must be made in accordance with the Special Prosecutor’s terms.

    And instead of asking what the hell is going on here, the vaunted media cheers the AG’s “exoneration” of the government.

  26. 13 says:

    If the truth is hidden and the only way to extract it is in the hands of the NDP then lets just move on. The BC NDP are lost in there own wilderness. Affirmative action, gays lesbians and gender troubles have made them a laughing stock. Ms James should have never been replaced by a white straight man. Or is the pro labor party going to somehow be pro labor and pro green at the same time. It will not work. They cannot be balanced. You either support labor and the jobs mega projects create or you support windmills, and pipedreams not pipelines. The NDP is so screwed up that they couldnt defeat a party 20 points behind in the poles. Judging by there behavior since being trounced (albeit never by any voters that count. THE ONES THAT SHOW UP AND VOTE. ) they have learned nothing nada squat. Just wait till they drag the youth vote out. Just wait till all those enviro types get to the poles.
    The best thing that the BC Libs have going for them is the BC NDP

  27. RS says:

    Everything being a constant carnival, there is no carnival left — Victor Hugo

  28. istvan says:

    Take this on Harvey . It will die if the msm ignores it .You are msm. Go for it.

  29. Scotty on Denman says:

    RS is right on. All the other Premiers looking at Gordo’s legacy in wonder asking, “How’d he do it?…”

  30. R says:

    Harv I do t think I’ve ever heard premier mr vanderzalm and or premier mr Clark comment on bc rail.?why.?

    How bout you contact mr basi and or mr virk for a scoop interview.?

    (Response: I’m retired. But I believe there was a speak-no-evil clause in their legal payoff. h.o)

  31. MAD says:

    Enough is enough. I would love to see a massive protest bigger than the hst fight to demand the removal of this corrupt premier and also see some convictions for the sickening cover up and disgusting deal made in the Basi Virk case with our taxes! What the hell kind of legal profession was involved here? Couldn’t be a legal one.

  32. Dome car says:

    Is there a connection between the sale of
    BC Rail and the operation of the Rocky Mountaineer on what I understand to be BC rail right of way?

    (Response: I’ve never heard of any connection involved in the sale, but the Whistler Mountaineer does run on rails that used to belong to BC Rail and were bought by CN. h.o)

  33. MAD says:

    Could we the taxpayers, supposedly the masters of our elected officials who are our representatives and given our trust to carry out the duties to govern in our best interest and uphold and abide by the law while working with the law profession not be able to have charges brought against them en masse by us. If elected officials and some in the legal side are betraying our trust and braking the law such as what looks like in the bc rail basi, virk case, and trying to manipulate us to think or believe and work against us, then we the people should have the full right to hold them accountiblex. Being led of course by proper competent 7professionals. This seems to be the alternative to counter the pervasive treachery against us and not just about this case, scandal or what have you. These creatures need to be stopped. They just don’t get it .

    (Response: It amazes me that the “people” so often re-elect those who violate the public interest or ethical rules…but I guess they just consider the other parties even worse. Sigh! h.o)

  34. MAD says:

    Thankyou for your on the mark response h.o . It is so awfully true.

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