Finance Minister Colin Hansen has demonstrated perfectly, in my view, why so many British Columbians have lost respect for politics and politicians. And I’m NOT talking about the pros or cons about the HST .. or even the timing of its introduction.
I’m talking about semantics.
Most of us, in our professional lives, answer questions, when asked, without employing the intricate sidesteps, twists and twirls of a professional dancer or using words so craftily it takes the skills of an expert in world diplomacy to analyse exactly what was said, what was meant … and whether we were really being told the truth.
B.C. is not the U.N.: to understand OUR leaders, we should not need the same word-by-word examination skills used at Foreign Affairs in Ottawa to consider every single word so we can decipher statements by Iran, Russia, China and North Korea.
But listening to Hansen on the Bill Good Show Monday, I felt we have now descended to that level here in this province.
Last week, documents released under Freedom of Information showed that Finance Ministry officials were indeed in contact with their federal counterparts well before the BC election discussing HST, and the Minister had received a 13-page briefing note about the topic.
Hansen says he did not read it. But even that is not what irks me the most.
What really bothered me was Hansen’s explanation of his response when he was asked in the legislature by the NDP if he or any of his officials had ANY discussions with Ottawa BEFORE the election about implimenting the HST.
No, No, No, replied Hansen then. And No, No, No insists Hansen now, despite the discovery of those documents and briefing notes.
Sounds strange? Dishonest? Disingenuous?
Not to a politician .. or at least, not to BC’s Finance Minister.
You see, Hansen, explained, the question had been whether there had been any discussions about “implementing” the HST. The answer was No because the government had not yet decided to adopt the HST, so they were not talking about “implimenting” it!
Is that what democracy has become in B.C.?
In all my 38 years of reporting … at municipal, regional, provincial and even in the Big House of Parliament, I don’t EVER recall a minister splitting hairs like that.
Hansen’s answer may pass muster with linguistic experts … but I think it’s sleazy, greasy and disgraceful. He should have manned up, admitted there HAD been discussions, but no decision yet on bringing it in. It could have even given him a perfect chance to explain the positive benefits that the governmenmt, after all, believes the HST would bring for the econonmy and people of BC!
Instead, what we got was nitpicking about whether the exchanges between BC and Ottawa were about adopting, bringing in, changing to, accepting, legalizing, introducing … or implimenting the tax.
I sure would NEVER buy as used car from someone who plays with words like that; or an insurance policy (Egad!); and I wouldn’t even let him pave my driveway, no matter how great the warrantee he offered. Is that the same as guarantee? Promise? Vow? Surety? Or assurance?
And we wonder why so many people are turned off politics, politicians, government and voting!
Our Finance Minister has sure done nothing, I would say, to change that for the better.
Harv Oberfeld
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1 Steve // Sep 8, 2010 at 3:20 am
Attention Colin Hansen: ” well technically I did’t say that ” never worked with my mother, and it doesn’t work when my child uses it with me. If one has to resort to splitting hairs like that they are being devious and deceitful. It makes me wonder what else you are lying about if you are still trying to tell me it is raining as you urinate on my leg.
(Response: Sure wouldn’t have worked with my parents either … even if they had even seen me try it at 50 years old, on the job. h.o)
2 SC // Sep 8, 2010 at 3:46 am
Absolutely bang on, Harv!
“He should have manned up, admitted there HAD been discussions, but no decision yet on bringing it in”
That would require him on other politicians if his ilk to have scruples. If he thinks playing with semantics is helping him, his boss and his party, he’s mistaken.
On the upside, all this stuff will continue to damage his political career and has squashed any chance to become Premier when Campbell resigns (which if some Liberals have their way will be sooner rather than later).
(Response: The saddest part for me is that I acually like Hansen. I’ve known him for decades; he always agreed to my requests for interviews; and I actually found him to be quite persuasive. Is this what politics has done to him? I can only conclude he’s a victim of the continuing self-destruction of the Liberal party that will only get worse while Campbell remains at the helm. .ho)
3 Lynn // Sep 8, 2010 at 5:32 am
Although Hansen is the minister in charge of finance, why is he alone taking the heat? Why isn’t his boss backing him up? Why is Gordo letting Hansen twist in the wind?
Secondly, are they that crazy to think we all buying into the excuses of what was discussed and when? We stopped believing the bs long ago.
So knock it off!
Vote on it in the legislature.
4 Crankypants // Sep 8, 2010 at 5:36 am
I think an appropriate song to sum up the way politicians think of the great unwashed is “The Games People Play” by Joe South.
I saw one of the exchanges in the Legislature between Ralston and Hansen broadcast on the news a couple of days ago and can’t remember if Ralston used the word implementation or not. A search through Hansard would probably clarify this, but unless one knows exactly where to look, it could be quite a task.
Today Vickie Huntington was on Christy Clark’s show and intimated that Colin Hansen lied in his response in the forementioned exchange between Ralston and Hansen, and the penalty would be that Mr. Hansen could face expulsion from the Legislature. The thing is that someone must register a complaint with the Speaker of the House, and there is a good chance that will not occur until next spring.
Call me crazy, but I suspect some of the happiest BC Liberal candidates that ran in the last election are probably the ones that didn’t get elected.
(Response: For the actual exchange …see the note from Crankypants. (One thing I love about my blog is how informed some of the readers/contributors are .. educating me and tens of thousands of readers at the same time as we have fun in our discussions. Better tthan some of the million dollar MSM “news” operations. And no one PAYS for stories to appear on here!) As for whether Hansen “lied” … I think he could beat the rap technically and legally re “implimentation”. But my problem with that is how much it changed my opinion of him in terms of honesty and credibility. h.o)
5 StandUpforBC // Sep 8, 2010 at 6:20 am
I picked this up on another blog (BC Mary’s?) and thought it should be seen here too:
If anyone wants to know how the fascist BC government is treating ordinary people, have a look at this story which ran on CBC today – and already has 100 pages of comments posted and still going. That’s gotta be a record.
B.C. man loses right to care for wife
Province takes over after husband refuses to pay for ‘substandard’ hospital care
Tuesday, September 7, 2010
By Kathy Tomlinson CBC News
George Brent, 83, of Montrose, B.C., wanted to care for his ailing wife, Dolores, at home. (CBC)
An elderly B.C. man is upset after a provincial health authority stripped him and his wife of their legal and financial rights when he complained repeatedly about his wife’s care in the local hospital.
“She would have been far better at home,” said George Brent, 83, of his wife’s care at the Kootenay Boundary Regional Hospital in Trail, B.C. “But, I’m strapped by legalities set forth by government.”
……
Read more:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/09/06/bc-rightsremoved.html
I have first-hand knowledge of another very similar situation. Orwellian and evil are some of the frequent comments posted.
Most interesting are the postings by so many other people telling their frightening stories of horror perpetrated by care facilities, health authorities, and the Public Guardian and Trustee.
No one can read this story, and the postings without being truly shaken. I urge everyone to read this article. It might be the best thing you’ve done for yourself in a great while.
6 Crankypants // Sep 8, 2010 at 7:44 am
The exchange between Ralston and Hansen was reproduced in an article by Bill Tieleman which appears on the Tyee’s website today. It is as follows:
Ralston asks: “There was no discussion either by the minister or his officials of the implementation of an HST. Is that the minister’s position then?”
Hansen: “That is correct.”
Ralston even goes further, giving Hansen another chance to clarify.
Ralston: “I understand that the minister has made his position very clear — no discussion with any of his officials, no public comment, no decision taken between January and May. Was there any discussion at any point with the premier about Ontario and its implementation of the HST, the investment climate and the reasons why British Columbia might want to reconsider its position?”
Hansen: “No.”
Ralston: “And by discussion, I mean personal contact, face-to-face, or any exchange of memos at the deputy minister level or through the email network or anything. There’s simply no discussion at any level between the minister of finance, his officials and the premier and his office and his officials about the HST between January, when it was first raised publicly in Ontario, and the end of May. Is that the minister’s position?”
Hansen: “That is correct.”
From what I read, only one part of it refers to implementation of the HST.
Methinks Mr. Hansen may have stepped into the manure he has been spreading this last while. I doubt there is enough Nilodor available to remove the stench.
(Response: Makes me want to throw up. h.o)
7 mariner // Sep 8, 2010 at 9:13 am
I do think what we are seeing is a direct result of their continued lying and misrepresentations to the public. Sooner or later all this will come back and haunt them – as we are now witnessing.
I don’t think any of the BC Liberal politicians have what one would call credibility or integrity – from Campbell down through the list. There has been far too much destruction done to the province, by these “peoples representatives” – serving only themselves and big businesses – laying waste many decades of work by previous governments.
What has happened and is still happening, shows how crooked BC politics has become. Judges are appointed and thereby governed by their political master as so clearly shown and demonstrated in the BC Rail Corruption Trial.
For any resemblence of a democratic process, the leading legal entities should be elected – thereby ensuring that the public good and need is represented – instead of the political circus we have witnessed for the last decade.
If nothing else, the BC Liberal party reign has shown how little control there is and easily a political party can corrupt the whole political process to suit it’s own needs. Political reform is desperately needed, but will it ever happen. This decade has shown, if nothing else, just how easily politicians lie and how little emphasis is put on carrying out “political promises” as part of their obligatory role!!!
Gordon Campbell could not have been more dishonest, have less integrity or credibility and been less trustworthy than his action have shown. (Edited ..h.o.)
I am at a loss for words to describe the devastation this man has caused over the years he has been in power – exporting jobs to the US, privatization, selling off BC assets and of course, the continual lying and misrepresentations of everything. PAB staff of 280 people costing government many millions of dollars that could otherwise be spent on healthcare, education, mental health support etc.
I don’t think I have ever been as angered by one person as I am over Campbell and his evil ways – the only way I can describe it politely. We have witnessed ideological rape of our system by big businesses through Gordon Campbell – let us not waste this example. Maybe it is time to limit just what control business has on our province. Time to take a good look at who serves who and what the people want and need for BC.
We are supposed to learn from history – not repeat it.
(Response: Your conclusion about all the Liberals not having credibility and integrity is particularly interesting. Because I believe by the silence of the overwhelming majority of of them, THEY (as well as Campbell) are inflicting even greater harm on the public’s view of their party. As I’ve said here before, if they truly want to save their party, they MUST speak out in much greater numbers … and vote in November to get rid of Campbell … or stand complicit in his handling of HST and other matters. h.o)
8 Rocker Rich // Sep 8, 2010 at 11:05 am
Dimes to donuts the bureaucrats were hyping the HST to Carole Taylor, too. Conventional wisdom holds that she exited politics over over disillusionment of attempts by the Premier (via his minions) to overly influence her Ministry.
In addition, I’d bet she knew what the future held regarding the HST. She’d opined against the tax within government and so.. took a hike. Good on her.
Agree totally with your critique of Colin. I knew
him casually 30 years ago when he was an up-and-comer with the Liberal Party. It’s sad to see how political power (and presumably his disinclination to lose it) has turned him into the hair splitter. Doesn’t he realize Gordon will likely discard him like a sack of trash in the near future?
Oh well, at least Colin can content himself knowing his word wizardry seems to have persuaded Bill Good to believe his story.
9 Paul // Sep 8, 2010 at 1:15 pm
From Rafe Mair (former British Columbia Social Credit Party MLA)
“The truly sad part is that it’s tough enough to convince younger people that they should understand and get involved in public life, let alone ask them not to be cynical unto death about the political process, when they see how it’s been so egregiously abused by this bunch of shameful men who don’t even have the decency to be ashamed.”
http://thecanadian.org/k2/item/249-rafe-hst-5
10 Paul // Sep 8, 2010 at 1:19 pm
From the Toronto Star, Monday September 06 2010:??”Two sources have told the Toronto Star the premier plans to replace Hansen with Health Services Minister Kevin Falcon.”??NDP Finance Critic Bruce Ralston: “The obvious problem with that is if he gives the finance minister the boot, why is the premier still standing?”??http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/hst/article/?857250–b-c-premier-faces-major-crisis-in-wake-of-hst-revelations?bn=1
And BTW, Kevin Falcon spent five years working in the insurance industry.
11 RS // Sep 8, 2010 at 1:55 pm
“He (Hansen) always agreed to my requests for interviews; and I actually found him to be quite persuasive.” HO
Agreeable and persuasive perhaps, but honest and trustworthy???
(Response: Believe it or not …yes, in the past When he first entered politics I respected/believed his sincerity quite a lot. Sorry I don’t feel that way watching him now. h.o)
12 D. M. Johnston // Sep 8, 2010 at 5:04 pm
The British Parliamentary system, which we adhere to, is operated on on the principle of precedent. To work, it demands every member of Parliament to be Honorable as their actions in the house set the precedent on how the House operates and in the end becomes law.
What I have seen is an Americanization of our parliamentary system, without any of the laws or safeguards that protect their system.
In a Parliamentary system, if a member lies in the house, is caught out and doesn’t resign, then future members of the house can lie with impunity, with no fear of censure. Lying, thus becomes law!
What Hansen and Campbell have done is to yet again lower the standards of the house to a point that BC is ungovernable and the rich and powerful can do what they damn well please!
In fact, I would go as far to say that we no longer have a government and that we are ruled by despots and maybe it is “pitchfork” time and take to the streets to get out province, its laws back on track.
Government ruled by liars is a dishonest and corrupt government.
Colin Hansen do the right thing and resign before history confines you to the trash heap of history.
Show some “balls” man!
13 Genuine // Sep 8, 2010 at 6:33 pm
Funny thing and I’ve said this before, if you take the right wing philosophy and take a ride to the end ,I’d say a majority of us would end up far off worse than a socialist society,basically that’s what democracy is all about, we all pay into a tax base in our case add in the fee’s and toll’s,for our social benefit, to pervert the word socialist is to pervert democracy,and this is exactly what is happening .
(Response: Are you confusing democracy with extreme capitalism?
h.o
14 Genuine // Sep 8, 2010 at 8:48 pm
Isn’t that what we have now,it’s not me that’s confused.
(Response: Good point. h.o)
15 Ruraidh // Sep 8, 2010 at 8:51 pm
I think George Orwell, were he alive, would recognise the absurdities of LiberalSpeak.(or HST Speak).
George Orwell, the author of “1984” coined the phrase NewSpeak for the language of his celebrated and quite prescient novel (written in 1949).
One of the terms that Orwell coined was blackwhite-
To quote” the ability to accept whatever “truth” the party puts out, no matter how absurd it may be. Orwell described it as “…loyal willingness to say black is white when party discipline demands this. It also means the ability to believe that black is white, and more, to know black is white, and forget that one has ever believed the contrary.” (source NewSpeak Dictionary).
I hardly think the provincial liberals have as yet descended to an Orwellian state but they need take a look at themselves and see the outlines of some of the absurdities of their HST position in face of evidence to the contrary.
(Response: Wow! It does give one pause, doesn’t it! h.o)
16 Doesn't apply to me // Sep 9, 2010 at 1:06 am
Sure love the way that Keith Baldrey is hammering away at hard news reporting. (Edited..h.o)
Just watched the early news on Global. Hard hitting, insightful, no holds barred reporting from their legislative reporter. You just have to love how sucky good old Baldrey can be.
You don’t need no translator to understand where this hard hitting news guy stands.
Then I just happened to watch the Global new news video where Baldrey again did his hard hitting, you know, make sure the public really knows whats going on reporting that he does.
I don’t know what is more sickening, the Liberals or the sucky news camp that are still trying to make them smell nice.
Watch it here, http://bit.ly/bRID9q
Now they are talking about getting good old Carol Taylor to come on board to be the premier trying to sell us the ‘fact’ that she quit over the ‘HST’
Didn’t she take a job with one of the biggest Liberal supporting banks? Hummm…. if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it must be a duck.
I wonder if they think that if they introduce another Carol, that will confuse all of us stupid people?
As Mr. V. says, fool me one, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
Just love those hard hitting reporters for the vancouver rags.
17 sunshine coast girl // Sep 9, 2010 at 1:08 am
I don’t expect to have to carefully dissect every single word that my elected representatives say to understand what they are talking about. If you can’t speak openly and clearly, you won’t be around for long. Shame on these people for playing these childish games! That’s ok. They will all get theirs eventually. Karma is a bitch.
18 Julie // Sep 9, 2010 at 1:19 am
Seems, BC people are going to have to gag their way through another session, with the two famous liars. Campbell refuses to resign and said, Hansen will not be resigning either. (Edited…..h.o.)
19 Gerry // Sep 9, 2010 at 1:48 am
Harvey,
What exactly is going on here? I just caught the first half of Global’s news hour and saw the “interview” with none other than Gordon Campbell during which he was asked exactly zero questions! Not even the usual softball questions this time. Instead there was just him riffing about how he had the “full support of his caucus” then some low angle shots of our glorious leader standing magnificently on the rooftop. Does Global just do PR now? Please explain it all to me Harvey. Seriously! I would really like to know your thoughts on this.
(Response: Sorry ..didn’t see it. (If I find time, might watch it later on Global site, but can’t promise, especially if it’s as weak as you and others have told me.) I’m sure questions though were asked … maybe not the type and as hard as I would have … but I always found Campbell is very adept at handling questions, sidestepping etc. You have to keep pushing him. h.o)
20 Genuine // Sep 9, 2010 at 3:00 am
Here’s an idea for the committee members send the bill back to the ledge and let’s put that 780,000 to good use that you’ve spent on the pamphlets and tell us how good the hst is the single most important thing you could do for the province,let’s see I for one would be truly interested and that money spent would be at least seen by the people that payed for it.
(Response: I also think they should distribute those pamphlets for the reasons you outline. Too bad they didn’t do that BEFORE they announced they’d be imposing it so soon after the election. h.o)
21 Brad // Sep 9, 2010 at 4:32 am
Hi Harvey,
First let me say I agree with Gerry about his comments Global.
I have watched since the 1970′s time to find a new newscast.
I believe when the documents were released outlining that the HST had been discussed prior to the election it was not even the top story at 6 pm that evening.
This evening on Global, Gordon Campbell stated he was doing what was best for B.C. residents by introducing the HST.
How does he feel taking dollars from my pocket is good for me?
This govenment does not get it, taken a look at the border line ups lately, B.C. residents are angry and refusing to spend dollars in the province as a protest.
As for Mr Hansen it does not matter what he says anymore, the writing is already on the wall,
Next election the Liberals will be punished by the voters and the once powerful Liberal party will suffer a massive defeat.
22 Wilson // Sep 9, 2010 at 5:30 am
I must be getting old Oberfeld because I think they are all full of crap. First we have those BC Conservatives who actually had the HST IN their campaign platform now coming out against the HST, next we have the BC Liberals having no HST in the platform coming out in favour of the HST and finally we have the NDP saying no to the HST but refusing to promise to ever get rid of it. To me they are all liars.
What’s funny is how you have the same people on here week after week and only selectively see the lies coming from their own particular direction of choice. Sorry people but they all lie. From Vision Vancouver on through Liberals of every stripe and the NDP where do you even begin ?
Maybe one day we will figure out that they will quit lying to us the same day we elect someone for telling the truth. But who will ever admit in advance they are going to raise taxes and actually have a hope in hell of getting elected ? We only elect people who tell us what we want to hear. We do get what we deserve. It’s not the politicians who need to be held accountable, it us as voters that put these people in power.
(Response: Remember … with age comes wisdom! Maybe that’s why you see them now much like I often do. h.o)
23 SB // Sep 9, 2010 at 5:38 am
Well besides knowing they have no moral values at all , i wonder what they do have they say they are staying Campbell says hes not resigning and neither is Hanson .
I guess recall it will have to be and simply target 10 MLAs to take down the Libs and watch him keep saying he wont quit gotta wonder what else he thinks is available to steal yet.
24 sue // Sep 9, 2010 at 8:04 am
$780,000 for pamphlets.
Didn’t almost that number of people sign the recall initiative petition?
Seeing Gordo on TV tonight I finally realized that the man is delusional.
25 Keith // Sep 9, 2010 at 1:55 pm
Ayup Harvey,
it sure is a sad state that these appalling people have brought our provincial political affairs to. However, with Hansen weaslewording for all to see and his boss is back from vacation the next couple of weeks should more of the same.
A couple of posts ago you had brought up the point that the opopposition should let us know where they stand on the HST, but all the time Hansen is spinning and Gordo insists he isn’t going anywhere except taking their party further into oblivion, this might be the time to keep quiet, let the liberal party do the recall work for the volunteers and go through Hansard with a fine tooth comb.
26 Stuart // Sep 9, 2010 at 2:16 pm
I seriously hope everyone understands how important it is to remove these characters from office. The liberals will probably drag things out until people lose hope and fall away. If Campbell wins he’ll then tell us how we’ve given him another mandate and really put the boots to us.
27 Genuine // Sep 9, 2010 at 3:39 pm
Roy Romano repealed the tax in Sask,maybe james could ask him how he did it,or here’s a suggestion carol,use the icbc surplus to pay back the 200,000,000 we received so far and repeal the hst,easy solution it was brought in easy enough it can be taken out just as easy,I would forgo the 10 dollars a year saving in my rates for repeal.Just come out and say it stop sitting on the bench and having vanderzalm come out and pinch hitting for you,after all we pay you not him for the services and if you are not ready to do so get out and let someone else do it ,it’s time to start taking a stand on issues and stop relying on the liberals self destruction.
(Response: We shouldn’t have to pay back Ottawa penny. They’ve already taken in much more than the old system, since HST has been applied to all kinds of products and services that formerly had no GST on them. Plus BC WOULD be entitled to its share of formerly PST-related products and services that has been collected … so why would they have to return it to Ottawa? It would be our share to keep. As for how hard it would be to get rid of it ..how hard was it to get rid of the old PST when they wanted to?? Not at all. h.o)
28 Genuine // Sep 9, 2010 at 10:05 pm
But Harvey, hansen and campbell said it wouldn’t cost us anymore,do you think they lied to us? Not our govt they are obligated by law not to lie to the electorate ,whats going on here some kind of cover up,corruption not in Canada,this is so hard to believe.(just pulling a bill good)recall in the fall!!!!
(Response: Naw, they wouldn’t lie, would they? They said the tax was revenue neutral ..but that doesn’t mean NO revenue: the revenues, from consumers are offset by the breaks given business. But they do get THEIR 7% part of that from Ottawa. The $1.6 Billion was a signing bonus …. and with all the dough the feds have thrown at Quebec, the Maritimes over the years…they owe us more than that. h.o)
29 Roger // Sep 10, 2010 at 12:50 am
Enjoyed how you showed how our democracy in BC has become a real joke. I would like to quickly add at the same time, that I do not feel British Columbia has had any sort of honest Government for well over 40 to 50 years, with each Party that ruled during that time having their own scandals and putting forth policies that ripped the power from the people, while the conditions on East Hastings (also known as Skid row poorest postal code in Canada) at times feel like a third world country, and the highest amount of single parents on welfare in Canada is in BC. This is what I keep telling people on my radio show on COOP Radio, which I host once every four weeks, where I have had a chance to interview Theoren Fleury, Bill Siksay from Federal NDP, Annie Machon (ex MI5 Agent from Britain) and many others which I showed on my website at http://www.reginaldangusargue.com
Also during my time on COOP Radio, I have had a chance to do eight different radio show with Wes Pidgeon, who brought to light the checkered past of the Maple Center here in BC, where it has been the last stop for numerous troubled youth from all over BC over the years. He also shared how he has suffered through numerous roadblocks put up by (edited…h.o) mainstream media outlets here in BC.
In addition Wes has shared tremendous amount information that points to members of Black Press, how one of the editors for a major newspaper here in Vancouver had treated him and so much more. And I feel that if you have a chance he is someone, you may wish to contact as I feel that certain things within the Province and Sun should be brought to light for the people to find out about.
30 involved // Sep 10, 2010 at 8:41 pm
A note on the comment you made that the federal govt. is benefitting from the implementation of the HST in BC: for every stamp (and for other postal services) sold here, I assume there is now an added 7% (small but it adds up) that stays in Ottawa. Hope I am wrong. I have not heard one single voice or media outlet mention this particular increase, and I have been tracking this issue ever since the BC govt. went public in late July of last year.
(Response: It’s no just stamps. My understanding is there are all kinds of products and services that were previously exampt from the federal GST …but now have HST on them …so Ottawa will take in extra $$$. That’s why they gave BC the $1.6 Billion signing bonus. h.o)
31 G.J.W. // Sep 13, 2010 at 9:03 pm
In all my many years, I don’t remember, any governing officials (edited..h.o) as Campbell and Hansen. To lie,deceive and cheat to win, is beneath contempt. Harper and Ignatieff, at first said, no to the HST. They were both turncoats, and snakes in the grass. We have since learned, Campbell is not a Liberal. He works for Harper, they have a very cozy relationship. Of course, Harper wanted, BC’s HST, Campbell and Hansen, lied and cheated to win the election, to do so. The HST went to Ottawa, faster than the speed of light. BC people, will remember Harper’s treachery, come Federal Election time.
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