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Jamal Khashoggi Tribute

October 18th, 2018 · 27 Comments

As a tribute to Jamal Khashoggi, The Washington Post columnist and renowned Mid-East journalist and commentator, murdered in the Saudi Arabia consulate in Istanbul Oct. 2nd, I humbly turn over my space to reprint his final piece, published in The Washington Post Thursday:

Jamal Khashoggi: What the Arab world needs most is free expression

By Jamal Khashoggi
October 17 at 7:52 PM

A note from Karen Attiah, Global Opinions editor
I received this column from Jamal Khashoggi’s translator and assistant the day after Jamal was reported missing in Istanbul. The Post held off publishing it because we hoped Jamal would come back to us so that he and I could edit it together. Now I have to accept: That is not going to happen. This is the last piece of his I will edit for The Post. This column perfectly captures his commitment and passion for freedom in the Arab world. A freedom he apparently gave his life for. I will be forever grateful he chose The Post as his final journalistic home one year ago and gave us the chance to work together.

I was recently online looking at the 2018 “Freedom in the World” report published by Freedom House and came to a grave realization. There is only one country in the Arab world that has been classified as “free.” That nation is Tunisia. Jordan, Morocco and Kuwait come second, with a classification of “partly free.” The rest of the countries in the Arab world are classified as “not free.”

As a result, Arabs living in these countries are either uninformed or misinformed. They are unable to adequately address, much less publicly discuss, matters that affect the region and their day-to-day lives. A state-run narrative dominates the public psyche, and while many do not believe it, a large majority of the population falls victim to this false narrative. Sadly, this situation is unlikely to change.

The Arab world was ripe with hope during the spring of 2011. Journalists, academics and the general population were brimming with expectations of a bright and free Arab society within their respective countries. They expected to be emancipated from the hegemony of their governments and the consistent interventions and censorship of information. These expectations were quickly shattered; these societies either fell back to the old status quo or faced even harsher conditions than before.

My dear friend, the prominent Saudi writer Saleh al-Shehi, wrote one of the most famous columns ever published in the Saudi press.  He unfortunately is now serving an unwarranted five-year prison sentence for supposed comments contrary to the Saudi establishment. The Egyptian government’s seizure of the entire print run of a newspaper, al-Masry al Youm, did not enrage or provoke a reaction from colleagues. These actions no longer carry the consequence of a backlash from the international community. Instead, these actions may trigger condemnation quickly followed by silence.

As a result, Arab governments have been given free rein to continue silencing the media at an increasing rate. There was a time when journalists believed the Internet would liberate information from the censorship and control associated with print media. But these governments, whose very existence relies on the control of information, have aggressively blocked the Internet. They have also arrested local reporters and pressured advertisers to harm the revenue of specific publications.

There are a few oases that continue to embody the spirit of the Arab Spring. Qatar’s government continues to support international news coverage, in contrast to its neighbors’ efforts to uphold the control of information to support the “old Arab order.” Even in Tunisia and Kuwait, where the press is considered at least “partly free,” the media focuses on domestic issues but not issues faced by the greater Arab world. They are hesitant to provide a platform for journalists from Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Yemen. Even Lebanon, the Arab world’s crown jewel when it comes to press freedom, has fallen victim to the polarization and influence of pro-Iran Hezbollah.

The Arab world is facing its own version of an Iron Curtain, imposed not by external actors but through domestic forces vying for power. During the Cold War, Radio Free Europe, which grew over the years into a critical institution, played an important role in fostering and sustaining the hope of freedom. Arabs need something similar. In 1967, the New York Times and The Post took joint ownership of the International Herald Tribune newspaper, which went on to become a platform for voices from around the world.

My publication, The Post, has taken the initiative to translate many of my pieces and publish them in Arabic. For that, I am grateful. Arabs need to read in their own language so they can understand and discuss the various aspects and complications of democracy in the United States and the West. If an Egyptian reads an article exposing the actual cost of a construction project in Washington, then he or she would be able to better understand the implications of similar projects in his or her community.
The Arab world needs a modern version of the old transnational media so citizens can be informed about global events. More important, we need to provide a platform for Arab voices. We suffer from poverty, mismanagement and poor education. Through the creation of an independent international forum, isolated from the influence of nationalist governments spreading hate through propaganda, ordinary people in the Arab world would be able to address the structural problems their societies face.

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(Note from H.O.   The world must NOT let the murder of Jamal go unsolved, unpunished or simply fade away. All of us around the world … citizens, journalists, bloggers … must keep up the pressure on governments, higher learning institutions, human rights organizations, business corporations and even religious leaders to not rest or conduct any future affairs with Saudi Arabia until justice is done for Jamal … and his body is returned to his family, and the civilized world, for proper burial.)

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27 responses so far ↓

  • 1 13 // Oct 18, 2018 at 11:44 am

    After the smack down Justin got the last time he dared to question Saudi behavior I doubt he will be a strong voice condeming this murder

  • 2 ISLAND LOOKOUT // Oct 18, 2018 at 2:45 pm


    I can’t think of more terrifying swamp creatures that those who have crawled out of the Arabian Light Crude molasses “sea” of eastern Saudi Arabia than those NOW in charge, and who’s next in line.

    It’s been ever thus. Had this journalist been someone else, and therefore not famous with the Washington DC chattering classes-swamp, nobody would have noticed.

    To think such violence is atypical I suggest you study Middle Eastern history going back for two millennia; stomach-churning.

    The MSM is trying to blame President Trump. but he’s not guilty of this perdition. The guy at the top of the Saudi governmental hierarchy, MbS, is at first, second, third and fourth blushes.

    What else has this cretin ordered to be done with fellow humans to whom he has taken as being “enemies of the state?”

    Khashoggi was related to Adnan K. a legendary Saudi arms merchant of decades gone by. The victim also hob-nobbed with former Saudi insiders, who are now outsiders or worse. And he was a fan of the Muslim Brotherhood which MbS is not.

    Politics in that country, and everywhere else in the region, are deadly. Period.

    May that poor man RIP.

    (Response: The horrific truth is that, apart from the geographic location, this is just more “business as usual” for the Saudis. The world celebrated their “advances” in letting women drive or allowing movie theatres … whoopee… while they still almost every Friday flog people in public squares, cut off hands, behead others and imprison/torture others for merely being gay, speaking up for women’s or human rights …or just blogging. Khashoggi was no radical regime opponent …just an honest journalist/commentator …totally innocent of ANY crime in civilized society … his only guilt …exposing the TRUTH about Saudi Arabia and much of the Arab world. That makes him a true hero. h.o)

  • 3 Gene The Bean // Oct 18, 2018 at 4:06 pm

    Murdering journalists, oppressing free speech, protectionism, publicly lying with impunity, race baiting, dividing people, scare tactics, fear mongering…….. does any of that sound familiar from a historical perspective?

    So many people from oppressed regions cannot openly speak their minds. The brave journalists who try and represent them and share the actual truth as opposed to the Fox News version of the truth deserve our thanks. This man gave his life trying to do just that.

    The world is not a better place due to the dictators. Ignoring them until it directly affects you is just being selfish and complicit.

    (Response: The strangest part of all this for me is how/why US President Donald Trump has a seeming admiration for this latest gang of leaders whose regimes favour arrests, torture even murder of those they don’t like and their critics and opponents: Mohammed Bin Salmon, Vladimir Putin, Rodrigo Duterte, even Kim Jung Un. I was very happy when Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Foreign Affairs Minister stood up to the barbaric Saudi regime a few weeks ago … and I wrote about that, praising Canada’s calling out the Saudis: . We can hold our heads high … even if the Crown Prince might want to lop it off! h.o)

  • 4 e.a.f. // Oct 18, 2018 at 6:10 pm

    Thank you for printing Mr. Khashoggi’s last article

    Lets hope others, all over the world, re print this article and continue to do so. It will clearly demonstrate you may murder a writer, but you can never silence the writer. Their writings live on, long after they were murdered.

    The Saudi’s and Americans who think this is O.K. need to know the rest of us are NOT O.K. WITH THIS.

    Jean Chretien, writes in his book, “the American empire is dead”. He is correct and it is now also a moral failure.

    In my opinion, those who think money is more important than the life of this journalist, are a bunch of very morally deficient individuals. To those who support people like dtrump/Saudi royal family wait until they come for you.

    In my opinion, this was a test run, again, to see what dtrump and his ilk can get away with around the world. I believe that within the next 2 years a prominent American journalist will be murdered on American soil for their work. The American government and public will let it go as an unfortunate incident. The U.S.A. will then have collapsed into a fascist state.

    Again, Harvey thank you for printing the article. You have clearly demonstrated your moral fibre and journalistic integrity.

    (Response: Of course, it’s not just the US that has caved in to dictators: European democracies have also softened their stances/retaliations in the face of brutal violations of human rights by dictators … including the shooting down of passenger airliners, assassinations of journalists and critics both at home and abroad etc. Standards and ethics have been badly compromised by economics … something really incomprehensible to me when it’s supposedly highly principled and fairly wealthy states that look away. h.o.)

  • 5 DBW // Oct 18, 2018 at 7:29 pm

    A couple of weeks after the brutal murder of a journalist, Trump says this

    Watch the video, particularly the reaction of the crowd.

    Who can possibly think this is normal?

    (Response: There’s no doubt in my mind the banality of this US President encourages hate and bullies … both at home and abroad. Domestically, it’s their country so they are entitled to have the leadership style they chose; but I believe the rest of US do have a right and responsibility to speak up and stand up when foreign murderous leaders think the “new” America’s failure to do so gives them carte blanche to wipe out critics and opponents. h.o)

  • 6 Hawgwash // Oct 19, 2018 at 6:20 am

    Number 5, DBW and Harvey;
    Both solid points but, with the mess the world is in and the ho hum approach to all of it, the slaughter of Mr. Khashoggi will be unsolved and forgotten by Christmas, if not sooner.

    For that, the media itself can share a huge part of the responsibility because it committed suicide long ago.

    Not to turn this into a Trump topic but, I predict he will prevail in 2020 because of the mentality alluded to by you both at post 5.

  • 7 BMCQ // Oct 19, 2018 at 6:40 am

    I agree 100% that Khashoggi or any other Journalist (and there are literally thousands) should not be harmed in any way, whether it be Prison or Murder.

    I do not know a lot about Khashobbi other than the fact his Uncle was perhaps the Most Important, Biggest, and Wealthiest Gun Runner other than a Political Leader the World has ever seen. I am not attempting to taint Jamal, just pointing out an interesting fact.

    Khashoggi could very well be a Hero in somes Eyes but I will leave that up to others to sort out.

    Having said all of that IF, and it has NOT been Proven< Khashoggi was Executed by Saudi Assassin Squad it is a Horrible Act.

    Yes there should be a Full Investigation and if possible the Truth should be maed public.

    I DOUBT VERY MUCH if the Real Truth will ever come out, the Truth Never Ever does come out and Executions have of so called Undesirables, Innocents, or what have you have been going on since the Beginning of Civilization.

    Unfortunately Executions of ALL Kinds have gone on in every kind of Government, even so called Democracies.

    What do any of you think has gone just since the beginning of WW I in the way of Assasinations and Executions.

    What did PET, Cameron, Mulroney, Trudeau I and II, Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, Cameron, Harper,Bush I and II, Obama do about any of them?

    Let's be Honest here virtually Each and Every Middle Eastern Nation is run by Thugs, Murderers, Rapists, and whatever other description one might use to describe them.
    That is simply Factual.

    Unfortunately we must, and we have NO choice, to deal with almost all of them.

    We in the West must live and make deals with the Saudi's, Pakistan, other Middle Eastern Nations run by ScumBags, China, and so many others.

    When Obama made an absolutely ridiculous and Dishonest Deal with Iran he was Hailed as a Great Leader. It was a Disaster and the evidence has shown just that. It will now be strengthened by way of Sanctions and the World will be safer.

    What about China and Obama, Bush, Cameron, Harper, Trudeau, and the rest of the Western Democratic countries? China Harvests Body Parts from Live People that just happened to be handy for Spare Parts, where is the Out C ry? Where ae the Sanctions?

    China Executes and Assinates Innocent People each and every day, where are the Social Justice Warriors on that? China will stop at nothing, they even manufacture Counterfeit Aircraft Parts, think of that next time you Fly off to visit Grandma. Where is the Out Cry?

    Of course something must be done if it is True and Factual Khashoggi was Executed.

    Tell me, How DO WE know it is factual?

    How DO we know he was cut up? Has ANY Factual Evidence been released or is ait as usual

    "Sources Say, It has been Reported, Someone close to says, Anonymoius Soures point out, and the rest".

    Do you know how many times Media like WaPo, CNN, NYT, the Alphabet Networks have been foprced to retract Stories as of late?

    What is wrong with the U.S., Canada, and other Countries waiting for a few days to gather information and attempt to have facts at hand before action is taken. If it proves to be true then let's deal with the Saudi's but until then let's go after the other Nations I have mentioned for Crimes Against Humanity that have actually been Proven without a Doubt.

    And of course ALL of this will be the fault of Donald J. Trump just like it was his fault that
    Mary Jo Kopechne unfortunately drowned, it was DJT fault that ISIS formed and pushed 5 Million People to the EU, and it was Trumps Fault that Hitler decided to Annex Poland.

    Do ANY of You Self Righteous *** have ANY idea how many times Mediaof all types have Blamed Trump for things he had nothing to do with? Do any of you have any idea how many times Trump has been blamed for things that were proven untru and there was NO retraction or correction by Media?

    What about all of the times Trump was blamed for things that were not true and Stories were actually retracted and people were fired or forced to resign?

    Yes if if the Khashogggi Assanation is the fault of the Saudi Hot Team and it was ordered by Saudi Leaders something must be done but keep in mind the West must deal with Despicable People every day and we have done so for over 2100 years.

    We need People in Power in the Middle East that Protect the Interests of the West and that is simply a fact. Unfortunately we all too often need to work with and partner with people that are literally The Devil in the Flesh.

    It was not all that long ago when Henry Kissinger stated the followiong to President Richard Nixon

    "Well Mr. President don't you think the Shaw is a Bit of a Thug"?

    To which Nixon replied.

    "Yes Henry he is a Thug, but He is Our Thug" !!

    Pick your Poison Folks but please DO NOT Blame Donald J. Trump for everything that goes wrong in the World.

    Only a few days ago I spent a day with two Muslim Friends of mine that happen to be Brothers, they were raised in Tanzania and Saudi Arabia and were in Business in Saudi Arabia. They told me stories about the Saudi's that would Curl Your Toes. It is a very "Touigh League" in the Middle East and it will more than likely never be stable, the West must do what we can to keep a Powder Keg under Control and there are unfortunatelly going to be Huiccups, Assinations, People Tortured, Jailed, and all of the rest.

    What Would any of you SJW Mensa Members that Post on this Blog suggest? Any Ideas?

    Come on, Step Up, let's here what you have in the way of sulutions.

    History will very soon show all of you that Your Hero Barack Obama was the Worst President in the History of the United States and it will be Trump and those Western Leaders after him that will spend Decades Recovering from the Disaster of Obama.

    Oh and by the way, Please DO NOT any of you attempt to Blame donald J. Trump for the Pregnancy of Meghan Merkle, even cNN would not attempt to convince the "Great Unwashed" of that !!

    Then again……..

    My Apologies I did not proof read this as I am in transit.

  • 8 E. Johnson // Oct 19, 2018 at 4:59 pm

    Thank you for posting this tribute to Jamal Khashoggi. The murder or imprisonment of journalists by their own governments is a grave concern. I agree with a previous poster who stated that we will likely never know the full story. It is definitely full of political intrigue nonetheless.
    The irony for me is that it occurred at the embassy in Turkey, a country where journalists have been arrested and imprisoned at alarming rates over the past few years and the Turkish government has shut down several newspapers and television stations or taken them over and converted them into government propaganda outlets. I have been reading the English language newspapers for years as I have good friends in Turkey. One of them was taken over in a raid by government officials a couple of years ago. It was business as usual one day and the next day it was gone. As for the newspaper I follow now, I have observed that the journalists who write the editorials and opinion pieces have become increasingly cautious with their style and range of topics.
    We live in a world that more than ever requires good journalists observing, investigating, reporting and writing about what is really happening in the world.

    (Response: First the Saudis KILLED Jamal right inside their Istanbul consulate, where he went to complete paperwork so he could marry his Turkish fiancé; then the Saudis LIED and said Jamal had left the consulate after completing his visit; more LIES, they asserted the 15 Saudi officials … one carrying a bone saw …who flew in on two private jets …were just tourists; then the Saudis LIED AGAIN saying Jamal had walked out through the rear exit; then they LIED AGAIN saying none of their security cameras were not recording; moments ago, the Saudis admitted JAMAL DID DIE INSIDE THE CONSULATE, but LIED YET AGAIN … saying that Jamal inadvertently died during a fight he got into inside the consulate … and the Saudis have started “arresting” and “dismissing” a few scapegoats…. I suspect all part of a COVERUP to hide the full truth and protect the Royal family and their top officials. The tragic, sickening TRUTH is that Jamal was targeted, brutalized, murdered, dismembered by SAUDI hit men in their own consulate in an action that was sanctioned and approved at very high levels of the Saudi government and the world may never know exactly at how high a level the evil plan originated. Barbarians! h.o.)

  • 9 Diverdarren // Oct 19, 2018 at 9:30 pm

    Harvey, I cant say I ever heard of Jamal Khashoggi or read his columns. But that’s my shortcoming, not his. He was doing exactly what a journalist should do, shine light into dark corners.

    There’s a reason the press is the only protected job in the US Constitution. The Founding Father’s understood the relationship between a free press and liberty.

    The House of Saud will give up all types of sacrificial lambs (generals, intelligence ministers) to make this disappear. But, the West needs to say that’s not good enough. The West needs to offer asylum to the participants in exchange for testimony. If the evidence leads back to the Crown Prince then an arrest warrant from the International Criminal Court needs to come down.

    With an arrest warrant for the Crown Prince the Old Man has a choice. Cough him up or face UN Sanctions. Either way the Prince’s political future is over. It will be up to the Brothers and Uncles to put the Prince on ice.

    Journalists are, and will be at risk, always. And, despots will always try and silence them. This Crown Prince is too amature, reckless, and sloppy to become king. His shoddy work has embarrassed the Kingdom, put the West (especially the US) in a awkward position, and most importantly (to the Saudi Royal Family) jeopardized the money. Which is the worst crime imaginable in Saudi Arabia.

    The Prince being tossed aside for other contenders for the throne by the king will be the only justice for Jamal Khashoggi. And when the family, still smarting from being locked up in the hotel, catch up to him, they will tear him to pieces and feed him to the dogs.

    Of course, that’s all a pipe dream. Neither Saudi Arabia nor the US are signatories to the International Criminal Court.

    (Response: One of the GREAT things about Western democracies is that we used to all stand up united for principles we held dear. But unfortunately, that has changed, not just in that once “shining light on the hill”, the U.S., but several others as well.. because economic interests are now so intertwined internationally. Our resolve and steadfastness used to curb the dictators, but now thy know we will often do little or nothing or our “leaders” will just dish out rhetorical harrumphs … and all things will pass … esp after any upcoming elections. Will be interesting to see how determined currently outraged US Congress members will remain about Khashoggi’s murder and (all the Saudi lies directly to the US) AFTER the mid-terms. h.o.)

  • 10 Richard Skelly // Oct 20, 2018 at 4:49 am

    Unless Jim Acosta has waved off offers of security, I would be shocked if CNN isn’t providing it to him 24/7. With Trump ginning up crowds by extolling a Republican congressman who body slammed a reporter, it’s almost a surety that some “deplorable” will attempt to injure or kill Acosta.

    As for the Saudis, they are just getting cruder in their killing ways. A dissident prince was ‘disappeared’ in 2016 when his Cairo-bound plane was diverted to Riyadh. He was dragged kicking and screaming from the plane. American witnesses were briefly detained and threatened.

    Informed of this atrocity by a Thursday guest, CNN’s Chris Cuomo exclaimed: “Why didn’t we hear about this at the time?”

    A cynic would respond by noting: “CNN (like MSNBC and FOX) were too busy covering Trump 24/7 to notice.” But Cuomo’s guest politely pointed out that the BBC devoted a one hour special detailing the outrage.

    The better question might be: “Did President Obama or Secretary of State Kerry make a fuss?” Maybe they did. Or did not.

    In his awfulness, perhaps President Trump is doing us a favour. Little by little, we’re realizing that presidents past have also averted their eyes (or at most tut-tutted) to Saudi crimes just to keep oil flowing, business deals brewing and a foe of Iran maintained.

    Here in Canada, Foreign Affairs Minister Freeland was reamed out by the Saudis for some mild plain speaking about the human rights of a Canadian-linked dissident. Now, in the wake of the appalling butchery of Jamal Khashoggi, the federal Liberals say it won’t affect the ongoing sale of Eastern-made armoured vehicles to the Kingdom.

    (Response: The Khashoggi murder makes me even happier that Canada had the backbone to stand up and criticize Saudi Arabia’s abuses of human rights and I’m glad I supported that move on this blog. As for the Saudi’s I have discovered another incredible fact I have not seen mentioned anywhere in the world in the reporting about Saudi Arabia’s latest crimes … will raise it for discussion in my next blog. h.o.)

  • 11 13 // Oct 20, 2018 at 8:15 am

    Well we can all rest easy the true story (Saudi version) has been told.
    Jamal died in a fist fight. 18 combatants have been detained (arrested?).
    You have to wonder who the unlucky 18 are that will likely die in order for this version of the truth to play out.
    Why would anyone be shocked by any of this typical behavior? As many have already pointed out this part of the world has been so far removed from the Western worlds idea of human rights that this story is business as usual.
    My question is why would Khasshoggi put himself in jeopardy by entering the Saudi consulate? Was he that naive?
    Must have been one helluva fist fight.

    (Response: Apparently he was promised by the consul himself that there would be no problems if he came to do the paperwork he needed to marry a non Saudi. Which makes it all even worse. h.o)

  • 12 13 // Oct 20, 2018 at 8:42 am

    “Apparently he was promised by the consul……..”
    So yes Khashoggi was naive. The profile of an Arab not being trustworthy in this particular case would not be racist, it would be accurate.

  • 13 Hawgwash // Oct 20, 2018 at 8:53 am

    Diverdarren; “The House of Saud will give up all types of sacrificial lambs (generals, intelligence ministers) to make this disappear.”

    Token lambs simply moved to another another pasture.

    Those responsible were “some of the closest aides to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, Saudi Arabia’s de facto ruler.” They will not lose a single days pay and the west will do nothing.

    Your post is the ideal, and a good one, but Harvey’s reply is the keeping it real part.

    Mid terms will have no effect either because, whatever comes of them, is way off in the distance in regards to this fading event.

  • 14 13 // Oct 20, 2018 at 3:38 pm

    @Hawg #13. I dont think Diver meant that the guilty parties were going to pay. The sacrificial lambs might end up in a different pasture but rest assured they will be mutilated tortured and dead.
    All to appease those that are concerned about human rights. Sad and ironic.

  • 15 BMCQ // Oct 20, 2018 at 3:58 pm

    Much like Athletics the so called Saudi Royal Family will “Swap Out” one so called Crown Prince who has already squandered His chance to Rule by “Stepping In It” far too often and far too deeply for another interchangeable New Crown Prince and life will go on.

    Of course there will be a Show, a Story, Excuses, and all of the rest but then…….

    The Saudi Royal Family have always played all sides and it is most difficult to keep track.

    At least temporarily they seem to be able to assist and get along with Israel and that is a positive.

    The “Common Enemy”?

    Both Saudi Arabia and Israel have the same greatest Satan and that be Iran.

    Now just how well does that fit in with the U.S. and most of the rest of the West?

    We will also soon start to see the U.S., Saudi, other “OPEC Nations, Russia, and a few more concentrate even more on finishing off ISIS.

    Then there will be the problem of addressing the very complicated problem of Syria.

    Keep in mind that the U.S. and Churchill were able to unite with with the Second Worst Man that ever Lived to Defeat Hitler the Worst Man that ever Lived. Again, “ A Common Enemy”.

    The Mid-Terms are being decided Right Now.

    Tick Tock.

  • 16 Hawgwash // Oct 20, 2018 at 4:50 pm

    13×14, yeah, I know. The diver wrote a good piece and his last sentence wraps it up nicely and correctly.

    My point is the lambs D-darren refers to; “generals, intelligence ministers” etc. are bong buddies of the Prince and they will all be given a pass, while some innocent 20 somethings vanish and there are some boney bits to show the world; if it even gets that far.

    Trump, Putin and Jon-un will find some diversions, I’m sure. Maybe some legal pot news, that’ll keep the sad excuse for press titilated and out of the way for a while.

  • 17 13 // Oct 21, 2018 at 7:13 am

    This story as mentioned by other posters will likely never come to a conclusion . The lies that we see every day that EVERY msm news organization publishes have spiraled out of control. They more often than not become the news story while reporting a story. Lies , unnamed sources, panels of experts, insiders. Hard to believe ?
    If you havent taken the time to read link provided in post 7 give it a read.

  • 18 BMCQ // Oct 21, 2018 at 7:54 am

    For those of you that might like to hear a little more on this please view and listen to the first 10 minutes the attached Oct. 20 Smerconish CNN Program.

    Smerconish Masquerades as an Independent suggests he was once a Republican but he is truly a Democrat.

    Having said that Smerconish seems to be a Person of Good Character. Above ALL he at least attempts to be Fair and he is in fact the closest thing to Fair and Balanced at CNN. Of course he does not quite make it but what the hell he at least tries.

    I like Smerconish in spite of……………..

    Smerconish holds a straw Poll on each and every show but because of the fact that his Viewership is 95% Liberal the Poll Results are Meaningless. He has not quite figured that out as yet.

    I found/find this quite interesting.


    I strongly feel that CNN would be much better off with Smerconish on in the evening as opposed to the Repulsive and Hateful Don Lemon. How could any one with an IQ over Room Temperature IQ (Celsius) consider Lemon a Journalist?

  • 19 Keith // Oct 21, 2018 at 8:17 am

    Following on from E. Johnston # 8.

    I’m not holding out much hope a Turkish investigation will reveal more that we already know. Flinn was involved in a caper to kidnap one of Erdogan’s critics, whose bodyguards were beating up some protesters in Washington a while back. A nice bit of leverage for the U.S. to hold over the Turks.

    Run the clock out with a drip drip of fodder for the U.S. media until the midterms, a bland conclusion, business as usual.

    (Response: Sadly I think you’re right from the US point of view. That shining light on the statue of liberty has been extinguished …hopefully temporarily… and once the mid terms are over, Trump/Republicans won’t enforce any action and only pretend to be concerned. But I do believe that the anger Saudis have unleashed in Turkey will be continued by Erdewan, not just to seek justice, but as part of his campaign to usurp the Saudis as the pre-eminent protector/voice/leader of the Sunnis. And European leaders will find it hard …and unpopular …to let the Saudis’ latest lies stand. h.o)

  • 20 D. M. Johnston // Oct 21, 2018 at 8:56 am

    The world has let, because of oil, a inbred bronze age potentate, survive, with a prince (one of hundreds) who believes he is above the law.

    Saudi Arabia is a vile little potentate, with horrendous laws and traditions and if it were not for the oil, they would be a footnote in history.

    Living in the UK in the 70’s, I understand how vile theses people are, but the news was suppressed due to ongoing delicate arms sales.

    It is time to give this devil, the devils due.

    (Response: Speaking of how “the world” has tolerated Saudi barbarism, it’s even worse than that: watch for me next blog piece. h.o)

  • 21 e.a.f. // Oct 21, 2018 at 11:35 am

    BMCQ YOU MAY not like Don Lemon, but he is a journalist. it is comments such as yours which starts people down the road to thinking its O.K. to kill journalists or silence them. of course I know it is not your intent, but he actually is one of the journalists, I believe the Americans will try to have killed within 2 to 5 yrs.

    dtrump has test driven many things over his 2 years in office and the final one is the killing of a journalist. dtrump and his ilk keep saying he wasn’t an American, if some how that makes it o.k. It doesn’t. He was an American resident who wrote for an American newspaper and that is as close as you come without it being an American. In my opinion, you will see an American journalist be shot and killed within 2 to 5 yrs. who is not part of “the team”. It will be gotten away with also.

    Turkey does have a lousy track record regarding civil rights and the press. However, they don’t have a good relationship with Saudi Arabia and like to tread carefully. By exposing as much as they can about this killing they are hoping to reduce their influence in the west/with the Americans.

    the americans would be much better off dumping Saudi Arabia and negotiating with Iran, if its oil and business they want. Iran is not part of the Arab world, the people are not Arab. they’re Persian.

    One of the things I believe dtrump likes about dictators is they do kill their opposition and the way dtrump talks about his opposition, he would do away with Constitutional rights to a fair trial, etc. to get rid of them. the killing of journalists or “going after them” is like when a canary dies in the coal mine. when journalists are murdered for their opinions, you know some of the rest of us can’t be far behind. Journalists are the canaries of the political world.

  • 22 13 // Oct 21, 2018 at 4:49 pm

    eaf@21. I read your first few sentences and decided that I would respond before my outrage died down.
    Normally I try not to take the bait . Your kidding thought so my outrage is misplaced. Ill finish my coffee and come back to your comment in case there is any more humor . Ill know better than to take you seriously next time.

  • 23 13 // Oct 21, 2018 at 6:37 pm

    OMG I read the rest and your ready to blame Trump for killing journalists in the future. Have you given any serious thought to the amount fake news that your left wing media outlets have tried to paint Trump with. Have you ever thought that with all of the allegations all the unnamed sources that some left wing nut job might decide to be your hero and kill DJT. A far more likely scenario.
    Iran a better bet than Saudi Arabia? Gotta be the legalized pot.

  • 24 Gilbert // Oct 21, 2018 at 7:48 pm

    The murder of Jamal Khashoggi is undoubtedly very sad. I don’t fully understand the reason he had to fly to the Saudi consulate in Turkey. Did he really need to appear there in person? He knew that he was popular with the Saudi royal family, and he was once warned to stop critizing the Saudi government. If he had to fly there, at the very least, he should have entered the consulate with other people at his side. That probably would have spared his life.

    (Response: Although he had residency in the US, his fiancee was a Turkish citizen and that may had something to do with the paperwork needed to be done in that country. h.o.)

  • 25 BMCQ // Oct 22, 2018 at 6:18 am

    e.a.f. –

    I had to read that 3 times and I still…………..

    Your Post and it’s Accusations simply confirms what I thought was my Sarcastic Comment about many Blaming Donald J. Trump for everything from Franz Ferdinand, Dec. 7, Pearl Harbour Day, the Drowning of Mary Jo Kopechne, and the Pregnancies of Kim Kardashian and Meghan Markle!!

    And here I thought some here would not believe what I said!!

    YIKES !

    I have attached what I believe is a very interesting interview of Tucker and Glen Greenwald.

    Greenwald is NO Friend of Trump or the Republican Party and in fact I believe at times he has done harm to the U.S. with some of his writings.

    Having said that Greenwald appears to unlike 90% of Media Shed Great Light on the Facts about Almost Most Topics all the time and I must respect him for that. He has more Courage than any of the Networks and Journalists I am about to list.

    I am quite sure Greenwald and I would not agree on much but he certainly has my Respect. And on top of all that Greenwald is a Person that takes time and invests in the well being of Abandoned Dogs and other Animals. My Hat is Off to Him!!

    Unlike the very Dishonest Don Lemon, Jake Tapper, NYT, WaPo, CKNDP (NW) BBC, CBC, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, Morning Joe, Anderson, Bernstein, Woodward, Clapper, Hayden, Brennen, amongst others who carry Water for the Democratic Party, The Failed Obama Presidency, and any other Phoney Social Justice Warriors one might think of.

    BTW –

    Some here are attempting that since the Election of DJT the U.S. seems to have lost it’s Moral compass.

    Do You mean to tell the the rest of the “Great Unwashed” that The U.S., Canada, the EU, the UK, did not and has not turned a Blind Eye to Atrocities and Horrible Acts of Scores of Countries Run by Dictators and Crooked Governments foing back over the past say 200 years? “Well Do You Punks”?

    That might be a tough argument to make, simply listen to Greenwald.

    Oh and Exactly what would SJW and Churchillian President Obama have done about the Saudi’s and the Khashoggi Murder?

    Would Obama Stand Firm and Draw another “Line in the Sand” with Khashoggi’s Blood like he did for Eight Years when he Held the White House?

    “One Must Never Be Bound By a Straight Jacket of Ideology”.

    History Books ALWAYS Show that Presidents and Priome Ministers make Mistakes, I believe it is Unwise to Blame Donald J Trump for everything.

    Just as it is unwise to blame Obama, Bush, Bush, or Clinton, it is not an easy position to hold and in most cases I am sure there are many reasons for having relationships with Horrible World Leasders and their Henchmen and Women.

    Again, look at how ALL of the West has Embrqaced the Worst Nation on Earth, China!!

  • 26 e.a.f. // Oct 22, 2018 at 3:41 pm

    worst nation on earth, Saudi Arabia still is close to the top of the list. China is further down. You see, a woman can drive in China, she is can have a career, she has a limited amount of freedom, just as the rest of the citizens of Communist China do. In Saudi Arabia, women have fewer rights and freedoms than men do.

    As one young man told me about 10 years ago, the day he received his driver’s license was the day he had to be the chauffeur for his Mom and Sisters. He wasn’t keen on it at all. In China, if you have the money, you can drive

    I’m not saying china doesn’t go around killing its citizens, etc. but it is more of a level playing field than Saudi ARabia.

  • 27 BMCQ // Oct 22, 2018 at 8:36 pm

    Not everything is a Gender Issue.

    The problems in China go far far beyond the ability
    of someone obtaining a Drivers License.

    Some things are about a lot more than that.

    I will not waste my time explaining as you will somehow “Spin” this whole thing into an Anti Trump Anti America thing.

    I just do not have the Stomach for that tonight.

    (Response: Besides, this is getting off topic. Please! h.o.)