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		<title>By: M.R.</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/judges-not-police-deserve-disdain/comment-page-1/#comment-64092</link>
		<dc:creator>M.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am (edited for legal reasons..h.o.) a prolific car thief&#039;s ex-wife. I was with him 15 years before he left me at the altar with a 4 year old little girl. He gave up his job selling cars ,making  over 100000 a yr to become a thief walking out on his little girl and me over a drug addiction. He now owes me $40,000 in back child support and the courts just keep letting him go. He&#039;ll steal from anyone. My mom&#039;s wedding rings and his own daughter&#039;s Christmas money. I have records of his arrest last year in which there were 40 charges and one included assault of a police officer because he dragged a cop and the cop dog from a car. I thought he was going to get years but with those 40 charges he got one day here and there which totalled 6 months in custody before they released him. Within 7 days of that release he was charged with theft over 5,000 and a few more serious charges . I thought he&#039;d have to finish the first sentence now but I was wrong again they let him go after a couple months with a promise and guess what........ (he) broke his promise again . 
I actually phoned the prosectutor to see what they were thinking letting the bastard out. I have a file about 4 feet wide with all the reasons (he) should be in jail forever. 
I even talked to FMEP but they won&#039;t do a thing because they can&#039;t locate him and won&#039;t do anything once he&#039;s in jail. I told them that even if he made 10 dollars a day in there that its only fair his daughter gets something. He just con&#039;s every judge on the bench. Car salesman all the way. It is more lucrative to be a bloody criminal these days seeing as how there is virtually no penalty for any crime. 
I think its time for a revolution! Our police force is as corrupt as it gets and the politicians are the same thing. Its time for a revolt against all that this country has come to.

(Response: Your comment speaks more eloquently than I ever could about the realities of the current &quot;injustice&quot; system  Why do they think they are helping?  Certainly not the perpetrator, who clearly needs a lot of long-term help that he just might get if locked up for a decent period;  certainly not all his vicitims; and not society, which is simply n longer effectively protected.  The current system, in too many cases, serves aslmost no one ..but the legal system ...esp the judges and lawyers who profit enormously from the revolving doors they spin every day.  h.o.) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am (edited for legal reasons..h.o.) a prolific car thief&#8217;s ex-wife. I was with him 15 years before he left me at the altar with a 4 year old little girl. He gave up his job selling cars ,making  over 100000 a yr to become a thief walking out on his little girl and me over a drug addiction. He now owes me $40,000 in back child support and the courts just keep letting him go. He&#8217;ll steal from anyone. My mom&#8217;s wedding rings and his own daughter&#8217;s Christmas money. I have records of his arrest last year in which there were 40 charges and one included assault of a police officer because he dragged a cop and the cop dog from a car. I thought he was going to get years but with those 40 charges he got one day here and there which totalled 6 months in custody before they released him. Within 7 days of that release he was charged with theft over 5,000 and a few more serious charges . I thought he&#8217;d have to finish the first sentence now but I was wrong again they let him go after a couple months with a promise and guess what&#8230;&#8230;.. (he) broke his promise again .<br />
I actually phoned the prosectutor to see what they were thinking letting the bastard out. I have a file about 4 feet wide with all the reasons (he) should be in jail forever.<br />
I even talked to FMEP but they won&#8217;t do a thing because they can&#8217;t locate him and won&#8217;t do anything once he&#8217;s in jail. I told them that even if he made 10 dollars a day in there that its only fair his daughter gets something. He just con&#8217;s every judge on the bench. Car salesman all the way. It is more lucrative to be a bloody criminal these days seeing as how there is virtually no penalty for any crime.<br />
I think its time for a revolution! Our police force is as corrupt as it gets and the politicians are the same thing. Its time for a revolt against all that this country has come to.</p>
<p>(Response: Your comment speaks more eloquently than I ever could about the realities of the current &#8220;injustice&#8221; system  Why do they think they are helping?  Certainly not the perpetrator, who clearly needs a lot of long-term help that he just might get if locked up for a decent period;  certainly not all his vicitims; and not society, which is simply n longer effectively protected.  The current system, in too many cases, serves aslmost no one ..but the legal system &#8230;esp the judges and lawyers who profit enormously from the revolving doors they spin every day.  h.o.)</p>
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		<title>By: StandUpforBC</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/judges-not-police-deserve-disdain/comment-page-1/#comment-64091</link>
		<dc:creator>StandUpforBC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 01:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Victoria Times-Colonist newspaper published a four-part in-depth investigative system into the BC court system. This might be what you have been calling for Harvey - the media to start taking a stand independent of the political rulers and the establishment.

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Rules+cloak+some+most+serious+criminal+cases/2525515/story.html

The Vancouver Sun published one article out of the first day&#039;s reports, and nothing further. It&#039;s important reading and should have been reproduced across the province. The last of the series is being published in tomorrow&#039;s paper. 

Also, Les Leyne, the political columnist for the T-C editorial page had an excellent column today which he begins by saying the three journalists who produced the investigative series wondered if the public would care. Here&#039;s the link to Les Leyne&#039;s column:

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Secrecy+threat+basic+justice+principle/2531921/story.html

I&#039;d be interested in knowing what you think of the whole series Harvey – the journalism and things the articles reveal. Maybe you&#039;d consider doing an article on the subject yourself?

(Response: Yes the rules make it difficult to get info ... and far too often reporters just cover court like Hansard, doing very little in depth research on their own .. part of the do more with less reality of covering news.   As far as doing my own series ..I did that in 2004  with my series Contempt For Court and won a Webster Award for it. As far as doing another one... now that I&#039;m retired,  my time now is devoted to enjoying recreation places/activities in the Lower Mainland I never could while working, travelling ....  and blogging :)  h.o  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Victoria Times-Colonist newspaper published a four-part in-depth investigative system into the BC court system. This might be what you have been calling for Harvey &#8211; the media to start taking a stand independent of the political rulers and the establishment.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Rules+cloak+some+most+serious+criminal+cases/2525515/story.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Rules+cloak+some+most+serious+criminal+cases/2525515/story.html</a></p>
<p>The Vancouver Sun published one article out of the first day&#8217;s reports, and nothing further. It&#8217;s important reading and should have been reproduced across the province. The last of the series is being published in tomorrow&#8217;s paper. </p>
<p>Also, Les Leyne, the political columnist for the T-C editorial page had an excellent column today which he begins by saying the three journalists who produced the investigative series wondered if the public would care. Here&#8217;s the link to Les Leyne&#8217;s column:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Secrecy+threat+basic+justice+principle/2531921/story.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Secrecy+threat+basic+justice+principle/2531921/story.html</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested in knowing what you think of the whole series Harvey – the journalism and things the articles reveal. Maybe you&#8217;d consider doing an article on the subject yourself?</p>
<p>(Response: Yes the rules make it difficult to get info &#8230; and far too often reporters just cover court like Hansard, doing very little in depth research on their own .. part of the do more with less reality of covering news.   As far as doing my own series ..I did that in 2004  with my series Contempt For Court and won a Webster Award for it. As far as doing another one&#8230; now that I&#8217;m retired,  my time now is devoted to enjoying recreation places/activities in the Lower Mainland I never could while working, travelling &#8230;.  and blogging <img src='http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   h.o</p>
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		<title>By: BC Mary</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/judges-not-police-deserve-disdain/comment-page-1/#comment-64075</link>
		<dc:creator>BC Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NDF has sent us a grief-stricken cry for understanding ... how much pain there is in those few words. 

Isn&#039;t there something meaningful we, as a society, can do except build more jails?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NDF has sent us a grief-stricken cry for understanding &#8230; how much pain there is in those few words. </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t there something meaningful we, as a society, can do except build more jails?</p>
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		<title>By: ssmilin</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/judges-not-police-deserve-disdain/comment-page-1/#comment-64070</link>
		<dc:creator>ssmilin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 08:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on Harvey! 
I&#039;m not much of a writer like some of the brilliant comments here,
but every time I read the paper I just can&#039;t stand another 
Hit and Run and WALK story
Nobody&#039;s safe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on Harvey!<br />
I&#8217;m not much of a writer like some of the brilliant comments here,<br />
but every time I read the paper I just can&#8217;t stand another<br />
Hit and Run and WALK story<br />
Nobody&#8217;s safe</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/judges-not-police-deserve-disdain/comment-page-1/#comment-64064</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dead on Harvey!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dead on Harvey!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harvey,

Your last comment on the origin/background  of judges is dead on! 

Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harvey,</p>
<p>Your last comment on the origin/background  of judges is dead on! </p>
<p>Dan</p>
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		<title>By: NDF</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/judges-not-police-deserve-disdain/comment-page-1/#comment-64060</link>
		<dc:creator>NDF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes the money was wasted on #2 but i know him and this kid has been screwed over so much in his life this is all he knows! his mom is an addict as well and she does not help the situation he has been in and out of foster care because of his useless mother, this kid was lead down the wrong path as a child by the people who should have been protecting him.. this is all he knows.. all i know is when he is in jail at least i know he is alive.. although you guys may not see that it matters and would rather him not just remember he is still a brother and son to someone and it doesnt matter what he does i will always love him i have no choice i may not talk to him or see him but i love him and trust me i wish he would change to</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes the money was wasted on #2 but i know him and this kid has been screwed over so much in his life this is all he knows! his mom is an addict as well and she does not help the situation he has been in and out of foster care because of his useless mother, this kid was lead down the wrong path as a child by the people who should have been protecting him.. this is all he knows.. all i know is when he is in jail at least i know he is alive.. although you guys may not see that it matters and would rather him not just remember he is still a brother and son to someone and it doesnt matter what he does i will always love him i have no choice i may not talk to him or see him but i love him and trust me i wish he would change to</p>
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		<title>By: D.G.B.</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/judges-not-police-deserve-disdain/comment-page-1/#comment-64041</link>
		<dc:creator>D.G.B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our &quot;justice system&quot; is really not dispensing justice - it&#039;s really a &quot;legal system&quot; that has become too &quot;subjective&quot; - a system where appointed judges don&#039;t appear to look at the punishing aspect of of jail time and don&#039;t want to cost their &quot;appointers&quot; big money to send most conscience-free psychopaths  to long jail times.  Keep in mind that most crimes are perpetrated by a very few - repeatedly in our society, and taking them off the streets for a set punishable time with no &quot;time served&quot;, or 2 for 1 will help to allieviate the crime stats. Whilst the United States go to the extreme on one side, we go to the extreme on the other - where&#039;s the middle ground?  We should adopt a similar 3 strikes law but with minimum sentences like 10 years with no parole for property crimes or non-lethal violent crimes - murder should be life.

(Response: Exactly! I often wonder if the reason so many judges coddle criminals is because they feel indebted to them! Most BC judges were defence counsel (not prosecutors)  before becoming judges and made very handsome livings defending their &quot;clients&quot;. How many judges own westside million-dollar-plus homes or Whistler homes paid for by the proceeeds of defending criminals! They also, I believe, may have become quite insensitive to the gravity of all kinds of crimes committed, after spending so much time dealing with so many criminals. h.o.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our &#8220;justice system&#8221; is really not dispensing justice &#8211; it&#8217;s really a &#8220;legal system&#8221; that has become too &#8220;subjective&#8221; &#8211; a system where appointed judges don&#8217;t appear to look at the punishing aspect of of jail time and don&#8217;t want to cost their &#8220;appointers&#8221; big money to send most conscience-free psychopaths  to long jail times.  Keep in mind that most crimes are perpetrated by a very few &#8211; repeatedly in our society, and taking them off the streets for a set punishable time with no &#8220;time served&#8221;, or 2 for 1 will help to allieviate the crime stats. Whilst the United States go to the extreme on one side, we go to the extreme on the other &#8211; where&#8217;s the middle ground?  We should adopt a similar 3 strikes law but with minimum sentences like 10 years with no parole for property crimes or non-lethal violent crimes &#8211; murder should be life.</p>
<p>(Response: Exactly! I often wonder if the reason so many judges coddle criminals is because they feel indebted to them! Most BC judges were defence counsel (not prosecutors)  before becoming judges and made very handsome livings defending their &#8220;clients&#8221;. How many judges own westside million-dollar-plus homes or Whistler homes paid for by the proceeeds of defending criminals! They also, I believe, may have become quite insensitive to the gravity of all kinds of crimes committed, after spending so much time dealing with so many criminals. h.o.)</p>
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		<title>By: StandUpforBC</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/judges-not-police-deserve-disdain/comment-page-1/#comment-64040</link>
		<dc:creator>StandUpforBC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 01:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harvey, would you comment on, or do an article about, the curious media silence regarding ex-Privacy Commissioner Loukedelis&#039; defection to become Gordon Campbell&#039;s lieutenant as Deputy Minister of the Attorney-General&#039;s office? Mr. Loukedelis was finalizing a report on the government&#039;s privacy/freedom of information system. Now, he will be in a position to refuse requests made to the government for information about government operations.

Meaningful investigative journalism lives and dies by the ability of reporters to get information. Yet, apart from wondering why Gordon Campbell hadn&#039;t bothered to appoint an acting PC which left the office unable to act, the media has been virtually silent. The lack of any serious, sustained attention by the media to this subject is so disturbing. Our society is being hollowed out before our very eyes.

Regarding our &quot;rights&quot; to information, I would like to recommend this article that came out three weeks ago in the Kamloops Daily News (but not picked up at all by the majors). 

http://www.kamloopsnews.ca/article/20100106/KAMLOOPS0101/301069970/court-order-bans-secret-video-forever

The article states how the Interior Health Authority was able to obtain a permanent ban on a video showing care facility staff abusing an elderly man. This ban is so draconian that no one is allowed to even describe the contents of the video! The man&#039;s family was so harassed, and intimidated (by taxpayer funded lawyers) that they have left the province.

The reason given by the Health Authority for seeking the permanent ban was to protect staff privacy. Seriously. Apparently staff privacy trumps the safety and rights of an elderly person in care. Police, the Ministry of Health, Attorney-General, and the courts all looked the other way. A crime (supposedly of such a horrendous nature that no one should see it, or even have it described) was allowed to be committed. 

This is the future we can look forward to in BC if we all just throw up our hands and say &quot;Not my responsibility.&quot; We in BC are doomed to become, and perhaps already are, a society of monsters, where police and health &quot;care&quot; facility staff abuse innocent parties with impunity, using their powers to engage in (literally) unspeakably awful acts.

But hey, let&#039;s party on like there&#039;s no tomorrow - and that&#039;s just what we&#039;ll get (if we&#039;re lucky). If we&#039;re unlucky we&#039;ll be locked in a facility with staff who have their own ideas of partying.

(Response: The commissioner&#039;s decision to take a high-ranking deputy minister&#039;s position was his to make ... and for whatever reason he decided to take it.  I am much more concerned with the ethics and maybe the politics of offering it to him to hiring him at this critical time. Whatever was at work, I believe it sure set back the privacy commissioner&#039;s work and reduced my respect for the office.  Maybe there should be a law that prohibits the Privacy Commissioner (and other high level watchdogs) from being employed by the government for one year after they leave their office?  h.o.)  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harvey, would you comment on, or do an article about, the curious media silence regarding ex-Privacy Commissioner Loukedelis&#8217; defection to become Gordon Campbell&#8217;s lieutenant as Deputy Minister of the Attorney-General&#8217;s office? Mr. Loukedelis was finalizing a report on the government&#8217;s privacy/freedom of information system. Now, he will be in a position to refuse requests made to the government for information about government operations.</p>
<p>Meaningful investigative journalism lives and dies by the ability of reporters to get information. Yet, apart from wondering why Gordon Campbell hadn&#8217;t bothered to appoint an acting PC which left the office unable to act, the media has been virtually silent. The lack of any serious, sustained attention by the media to this subject is so disturbing. Our society is being hollowed out before our very eyes.</p>
<p>Regarding our &#8220;rights&#8221; to information, I would like to recommend this article that came out three weeks ago in the Kamloops Daily News (but not picked up at all by the majors). </p>
<p><a href="http://www.kamloopsnews.ca/article/20100106/KAMLOOPS0101/301069970/court-order-bans-secret-video-forever" rel="nofollow">http://www.kamloopsnews.ca/article/20100106/KAMLOOPS0101/301069970/court-order-bans-secret-video-forever</a></p>
<p>The article states how the Interior Health Authority was able to obtain a permanent ban on a video showing care facility staff abusing an elderly man. This ban is so draconian that no one is allowed to even describe the contents of the video! The man&#8217;s family was so harassed, and intimidated (by taxpayer funded lawyers) that they have left the province.</p>
<p>The reason given by the Health Authority for seeking the permanent ban was to protect staff privacy. Seriously. Apparently staff privacy trumps the safety and rights of an elderly person in care. Police, the Ministry of Health, Attorney-General, and the courts all looked the other way. A crime (supposedly of such a horrendous nature that no one should see it, or even have it described) was allowed to be committed. </p>
<p>This is the future we can look forward to in BC if we all just throw up our hands and say &#8220;Not my responsibility.&#8221; We in BC are doomed to become, and perhaps already are, a society of monsters, where police and health &#8220;care&#8221; facility staff abuse innocent parties with impunity, using their powers to engage in (literally) unspeakably awful acts.</p>
<p>But hey, let&#8217;s party on like there&#8217;s no tomorrow &#8211; and that&#8217;s just what we&#8217;ll get (if we&#8217;re lucky). If we&#8217;re unlucky we&#8217;ll be locked in a facility with staff who have their own ideas of partying.</p>
<p>(Response: The commissioner&#8217;s decision to take a high-ranking deputy minister&#8217;s position was his to make &#8230; and for whatever reason he decided to take it.  I am much more concerned with the ethics and maybe the politics of offering it to him to hiring him at this critical time. Whatever was at work, I believe it sure set back the privacy commissioner&#8217;s work and reduced my respect for the office.  Maybe there should be a law that prohibits the Privacy Commissioner (and other high level watchdogs) from being employed by the government for one year after they leave their office?  h.o.)</p>
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		<title>By: Toby Fourre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toby Fourre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harvey, take a look at this Straight Goods article: http://powellriverpersuader.blogspot.com/2009/09/british-columbia-crime-story.html 

&quot;In the first Campbell term one of the first things Campbell did was close down 25 courthouses and 9 prisons, all this to save money, because as you know that in 2001 Campbell gave high end earners and big business $2 billion dollars in tax cuts, so what was the result of those cuts?&quot;

I seem to remember orders to judges to cut back on incarceration.  Are we blaming judges when we really should be blaming Campbell and crew?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harvey, take a look at this Straight Goods article: <a href="http://powellriverpersuader.blogspot.com/2009/09/british-columbia-crime-story.html" rel="nofollow">http://powellriverpersuader.blogspot.com/2009/09/british-columbia-crime-story.html</a> </p>
<p>&#8220;In the first Campbell term one of the first things Campbell did was close down 25 courthouses and 9 prisons, all this to save money, because as you know that in 2001 Campbell gave high end earners and big business $2 billion dollars in tax cuts, so what was the result of those cuts?&#8221;</p>
<p>I seem to remember orders to judges to cut back on incarceration.  Are we blaming judges when we really should be blaming Campbell and crew?</p>
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