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Keystone Cop Firing Explodes in Horgan’s Face

August 9th, 2017 · 46 Comments

No one was expecting anything different: in the aftermath of  taking office, the NDP government fired about 125 Liberal political appointments or officials they were not comfortable having in their government.

Nothing wrong with that.

But is it really necessary to kick a man (or woman) when he’s down … and fired?

Among those let go from a government post was former BC Liberal Party Leader (and actually once an NDP cabinet minister as well)  Gordon Wilson …. who had been BC’s LNG advocate.

And then, the NDP (you know, the party of compassion and reconciliation), derided Wilson PUBLICLY as well.

According to a column in The Province by Mike Smyth, “Premier John Horgan lambasted Wilson for wasting taxpayers’ money as the province’s “LNG Advocate,” saying there was little evidence Wilson actually did any work for his $150,000-a-year salary.”

““No briefings, no reports, no memoranda,” is how Horgan summed up Wilson’s 3 1/2 years on the job.”

Jobs Minister Bruce Ralston also piled on.

He claimed a review of Wilson’s work showed he did little “other than to cash his cheques.”

You can read Smyth’s entire column here:

http://theprovince.com/news/bc-politics/mike-smyth-the-sliming-of-gordon-wilson-then-the-apology.

The impression left of Wilson … and the $500,000 he collected over his term working for the Liberal government … was quite disparaging and personally negative, to say the least. .

But untrue!

Smyth turned up … on the BC Government’s Open Information public website what he called “a long paper trail” of Wilson’s work …. including a 180-pages of documents, including a 50-page report of findings and recommendations and 28 separate project updates.

What kind of “review” did the NDP government do?

How would any of us like to have a new boss put in place and then, not only be fired but PUBLICLY portrayed as having done nothing useful during your three-and-a-half years with your company????

That would hurt!

I’d bet it would also damage your reputation with not only the general public, but also your friends, family, neighbours … and potential new employers.

And if THAT all isn’t bad enough, it gets worse!

Turns out those reports posted on the Liberal government’s Open Information website were a result of a  2015 Freedom of Information request BY THE NDP!!

In fact, they’ve been up there for TWO YEARS …. after the NDP sought to have them made public. So they were.

This was clearly a Keystone Cops totally INEPT attempt to deride/kick Wilson around publicly after he was fired. WHY would they do that? A party joke?

But no one in the NDP or government is laughing now:  Wilson has sought legal advice and could sue.

Horgan and Ralston have now both issued “statements” withdrawing their allegations and apologizing.

Time to move on and look forward, Horgan suggested.

Too bad the Premier didn’t take his own advice after Wilson was fired ….  and had to open up his mouth instead.

Harv Oberfeld

Tags: British Columbia · Media

46 responses so far ↓

  • 1 13 // Aug 9, 2017 at 7:47 am

    It would appear that some of the name calling directed at Ms Clark former premier could easily be
    slotted in just in front of our new premiers name . Hmm lets try to remember shall we?
    Dolt, empty headed, dimwitt,arrogant its really quite a long list and it seems that Horgan at this point is worthy of many of the insults that Ive seen used on this blog.
    This will , just as the last topic did give the NDP support team another chance to rationalize. Yes Christy was worse, yes the BC Libs were worse, yes the troglodytes that support the Liberals are worse. I look forward to these well thought out comments.

  • 2 DonGar // Aug 9, 2017 at 9:01 am

    You sure like stirring up the hornets nest. :)

    I’m sure there will be a lot more of this to come given Hogan has brought in the Vision team, especially Meggs. Wonder how long Weaver will hold his nose and keep supporting these people. Election in less than a year I would expect.

    (Response: Actually the credit for breaking this story goes totally to Mike Smyth of The Province. However, hopefully my (and others’) ranting about how disgraceful and frankly stupidly they acted will make them realize they ARE now government and millions ARE watching and critiquing much more closely. h.o)

  • 3 13 // Aug 9, 2017 at 9:12 am

    Harvey I was just rereading your topics essay. How much does it cost tax payers to fire aprox 125 people. I understand that every change of government has hidden costs. I suppose that if Wilson sues that will raise the total .

    (Response: Someone in the working press (I’m retired! :) ) or the Canadian Taxpayers Federation could work out the cost. But I don’t begrudge that: can’t expect an NDP government to keep on all the Liberal partisan appointments or even others they don’t believe will be best able to carry out their new mandate. But they don’t have to insult and slander them as they push them out the door.h.o)

  • 4 Tim // Aug 9, 2017 at 9:21 am

    Agreed Harvey, not a good move on Horgan and Ralston’s part and I would not for a minute excuse it or rationalize. The big “however” is, and there is good reason to say that, is at only 22 days, Horgan is being held to a much higher standard than Clark. Despite multiple serious blunders and mismanagement of the public treasury and lives ruined to boot. As 13 pointed out, comparisons to Clark are about to abound, all of the descriptors I agree with, but the real story about LNG is how we’ve all been had and deliberately so. Little if nothing to show for Wilson’s work, all at great expense. Debt-free BC, 100 K jobs, $100 billion prosperity fund- what a sick, cruel joke.

    (Response: Horgan is NO neophyte in politics. Read his bio: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Horgan. He should have shown a little class and NOT publicly disparaged someone who had just been fired …no matter who it was. Especially with such a high profile victim who had been both a past Liberal leader AND NDP cabinet minister as well. What was to be gained? h.o.)

  • 5 G. Barry Stewart // Aug 9, 2017 at 9:23 am

    Quotes from stories on the situation:

    In a Facebook post, former jobs minister Shirley Bond wrote that Mr. Wilson did not deserve the treatment he had received from the NDP.

    “He reported to me regularly and we had an outline of expectations and accountabilities. To suggest there were no reports, no documents is simply untrue,” she wrote.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/bc-premier-apologizes-to-fired-lng-advocate-after-falsely-claiming-he-did-no-work/article35904695/

    http://www.theprovince.com/news/politics/fires+gordon+wilson+from+lucrative/13993368/story.html

    “I was very much that kind of hands-on advocate,” he said. “I did report to government orally, usually through either my deputy minister or associate deputy minister, with respect to what some of those impediments (to business) were. And when requested, which was not frequent, I would directly communicate with (then jobs) minister (Shirley) Bond.”

    End of quotes.

    It sounds like even Gordon and Shirley can’t agree on the truth. Can “not frequent” and “regularly” be the same thing?

    I agree, we can now see there was an undue public piling on, when Wilson was let go. Thankfully, Wilson is a veteran politician and can take the flak — while still standing up for himself.

    When confronted with the facts (and possible legal action) both Ralston and Horgan made public apologies, without hesitation. That’s the small positive I can see in this situation. That is a change from the previous government’s MO.

    (Response: Right. Wilson CAN stand up for himself …and Horgan and Ralston’s gaff is now likely going to cost taxpayers a bundle! h.o.)

  • 6 Hawgwash // Aug 9, 2017 at 10:09 am

    Not off to a good start, AT ALL.

    I really thought Mr. Horgan was smarter than this and while it is not nearly as serious as the Healthcare Researcher firings, it has the same stink.

    I guess it is time for me to return to my pre-election stance of doubting Horgan’s ability to lead. Maybe even his character.

    If he doesn’t get down to some serious work, the small damages will add up to another one term NDP Government.

    Soon we may hear Dr. Weaver asking; “what the hell was I thinking?”

    A new NDP slogan is in order.
    “C’mon John” said with an exasperated sigh.

    (Response: I think it shows nothing has changed in the pettiness of BC politics. The NDP Premier (and others) kept talking about changing the tune in British Columbia politics .. but clearly they are still singing out of the same old songbook the Liberals left behind. Too bad! And VERY foolish when you’re leading a minority government. h.o)

  • 7 Rocker Rich // Aug 9, 2017 at 11:01 am

    Very sloppy and completely avoidable. One has to wonder how it will shape Andrew Weaver’s perception of the preparedness of the NDP and the ethical values of that party’s hierarchy. A very inauspicious beginning.

    (Response: History is filled with politicians who have been prepared to look the other way and abandon their own principles in order to benefit personally and/or advance their own agenda. h.o)

  • 8 BMCQ // Aug 9, 2017 at 11:03 am

    Harvey – 2 – response

    You wrote “Changing the Tune”

    Perhaps we heard incorrectly, maybe he meant to say “Changing the Tuna”.

    That statement would make about as much sense to me.

    As to Weaver?

    Weaver chose to Dance with Mr. “D” and he has no choice to stick with Horgan and his Minions.

    If Weaver was to pull his support for the NDP now the Greens would be decimated in an early Election call.

    I estimate that the Greens took about 5-6% of disgruntled B.C. Liberal Soft Voters and they are already furious that Weaver crawled under the Sheets with Horgan.

    Those same Soft Liberal Voters would drop Weaver and his two side-kicks in a New York Second if they had a chance at an early Election vote.

    No, I am afraid that Weaver is going to stick it out until Oct. 2021. Hell, by that time Weaver will have put himself in position to collect a fairly good Pension.

    Does anything else matter?

    ……………………..

    (Edited…off topic. h.o)

    Horgan and Ralston are Arrogant, Condescending, and Vindictive Bullies and they should be called out for the handling of the Wilson Fiasco.

    Both Horgan and Ralston Lied at Best and they should be held accountable but like with Sajjan they will be let off the Hook by MSM before the week is out.

    What does that say about the character of our so-called Leaders, the MSM, and Canadians themselves for that matter.

    Then when Horgan does apologize it was Weak Kneed, Anemic and it was obvious that he wanted everyone in B.C. that he did not mean a word.

    And just what does that say about HIS Character?

    I believe Wilson has a right to demand a full investigation into the so-called investigation by Ralston and the results should be made public for all to see.

    Wilson should then take Horgan, Ralston, the Provincial NDP and the Government of B.C. to Court and demand satisfaction.

    Gordon Wilson deserves his day in Court and his rightful Victory. Once Gordon Wilson has been cleared/exonerated and the people of B.C. are aware of that Wilson Victory the Court should then award Gordon Wilson payment of a
    $ 200.00 Gift Certificate to Tim Hortons, nothing more.

    Gordon Wilson deserves his Day in Court and his Victory but he DOES NOT deserve ANY more of B.C. Tax Payers Money.

    He has already had more than his share!

  • 9 13 // Aug 9, 2017 at 11:41 am

    @4 Tim your entire post rationalized except for the first sentence where you said you would not rationalize.
    @5 GBS
    He said she said. Thankfully we have reams of paper that was on file for all to see. This is called good hard evidence and will likely cost you and I some good old tax payer bailout.
    Still looking forward to GTBs version of this event

  • 10 e.a.f. // Aug 9, 2017 at 12:17 pm

    Welcome to the world of politics.

    So now Gordon Wilson is all out raged about the NDP dissing his reputation. Gee didn’t he have an affair with a married woman while he was still married?

    Wasn’t he the one couldn’t stop political party “bedhopping” until got to be leader of a party. O.k. he lost it all to el gordo, but when you live by the sword you die by the sword.

    Lets not get all out of sorts. didn’t Christy have some things to say about Horgan a year or so ago and that “apology” seemed to me to lack a bit of “commitment” to it.

    It wasn’t appropriate for the Horgan to say what he did, but lets move on. A politician is a politician and they all do inappropriate things. It just seems the NDP is held to a higher standard than the B.C. Lieberals. Now it maybe said the NDP ran on being the “higher” standard group, but really, this is politics. Its a blood sport as far as I’m concerned.

    Horgan has apologized but I’m sure Gordon Wilson is suing because this may be the last big fat pay cheque he was going to get for some years. Let him sue. he is going to have to prove it damaged his reputation, caused him harm.

    In my personal opinion the guy is damaged goods. Going to court will simply prove it and waste precious court time. I’m sure if the NDP gives him a big cheque all will be “forgiven”. It is unlikely he will loose any job offers over what Horgan said. Personally wouldn’t have said what Horgan said, but hey we all have our ways of “expressing ourselves”.

    Life BMCQ’s suggestion of the $200 Tim Horton’s gift card.

    point 3, check Norm Farrell, he usually has it up or Pacific Gazetteer with RossK. I do believe one of them had a list of severance paid out by the NDP and then what the B.C. Lieberals had paid in some of the previous years to “their own”. As I recall, the B.C. Lieberals paid out more to their own in the previous years. If I’m wrong I’m sure I’ll hear about it.

    (Response: I’d bet if you …. who apparently have led a perfect life … ever got fired and PUBLICLY slandered by your company’s top brass, you’d scream to high heavens to your union or a lawyer about being victimized by a corporate BOSS and demand “justice”. No one should EVER be falsely maligned by an employer … especially in public. Shame on you for allowing your political partisanship bury your value system. h.o)

  • 11 13 // Aug 9, 2017 at 2:23 pm

    @eaf #10
    Thanks for the heads up on where to go to check figures. Why did you not include the Fraser Institute, or as Harvey pointed out the Tax Payers Federation?

  • 12 Gene The Bean // Aug 9, 2017 at 2:34 pm

    I betcha Mike Smythe, Vaughn Palmer and Keith Baldrey are just rubbing their hands in glee as now they can be aggressive and attack instead of bending over and continuing to take it from the LIEberals.

    I’ve said it before, Horgan is a good guy who I believe has actual morals (I know! What a change!) but he has no one around him. The “corporate” NDP are incompetent to the core and just as I said when he became the leader, Horgan needed to clean house. He didn’t. Big mistake.

    Will that stop him from doing or saying dumb things off the cuff – no.

    Meggs was, and is, a mistake.

    I guess after so long in opposition they have no bench strength. Too bad.

    I couldn’t care less about that rat Gordon Wilson. Waste of space and he was awarded a ‘do nothing’ job for carrying Christy’s purse. I probably would have slagged him too.

    That being said, it was wrong. Another dumb move.

    I do like what the NDP did about making adult ESL education free again. That is a good investment in our future. I guess the whitey tighty righties will have to find another way to slag brown(ish) people.

    (Response: That’s just silly. Smyth and Palmer did LOTS of columns that questioned, exposed, embarrassed Christy Clark and the Liberals. It’s interesting how biased NDP partisans love to castigate the media for being sooooo pro-Liberal. But then how do you explain why the voters threw the Liberals out??? Did these same partisans go door to door throughout BC themselves every day, every week exposing Liberal actions, failures, spending disasters and scandals??? NO! Virtually EVERY British Columbian learned about it ALL through the media …over and over. And HOW did the public learn about the NDP and Greens’ alternative ideas? Was it through those one or two meaningless campaign pamphlets with smiling faces put in our doors? NO! Through the media…. That’s how the tide turned! And people should remember that …as the NDP’s blind supporters’ paranoia grows as the SAME light is now focussed on the NDPs’ actions, failures, spending disasters and scandals. h.o)

  • 13 DBW // Aug 9, 2017 at 2:41 pm

    Right about now I will give Horgan and the NDP a 3, but as a regular contributor often said “when you are swimming with 2s…

    I am also glad to see 13 and BMCQ having the opportunity to attack rather than defend the government. Kinda fun, isn’t it?

    But like the golf tourney, this is just another of the forgettable opening acts. Headliner hits the stage next month.

  • 14 13 // Aug 9, 2017 at 3:05 pm

    Wow, GTB youve really pushed the envelope. The adage “shoe is on the other foot” comes to mind. You did make one point thats easy to agree with Meggs is a mistake. Not a glowing endorsement of Horgans ability to make the right choice.
    I know Liberals Blah Blah Blah
    Christy bad Horgan good.

  • 15 nonconfidencevote // Aug 9, 2017 at 3:59 pm

    Gee.
    The Premier lied to make their Party look good and the opposition look bad……
    are we talking about the Liberals or the NDP?
    I cant tell.

  • 16 Gene The Bean // Aug 9, 2017 at 4:07 pm

    OK….
    Harvey if you think Baldrey, Palmer and Smyth were anything except subservient 99% of the time to the BC Liberals you need to share whatever medication you are on! C’mon man…… (OK, I’ll go to 90% but that is my final offer….)

    and … sorry, again I don’t agree that the media is responsible for ‘throwing the Liberals out’ …. they finally started doing their jobs and the stench finally became so strong that it started to stick. If anything, the MSM has been responsible for keeping the Liberals in for the last eight years.

    I’ll repeat – there are varying degrees of both stupidity and criminality – all with the appropriate levels of “punishment”.

    Publicly calling a lazy trough licker a lazy trough licker may not be the brightest move but does it compare to one of my posts a couple of days ago that the billionaire owner of Mt Polley has donated half a million dollars to the BC LIEberals and organized a MILLION dollar fundraiser and then the same BC LIEBERALS stick us with a Forty Million dollar (and rising) clean up bill…. and his company gets a taxpayer subsidized ‘get out of jail card’.

    What’s next, the outrage of Eby wearing loafers with no socks…?

    Debate BC Rail and IPP’s v/s gender neutral cabinet minister policy? …. yikes.

    Lets see some programs, some financials, some public policy and then we can either sharpen the knives or send the bouquets….

  • 17 BMCQ // Aug 9, 2017 at 4:27 pm

    e.a.f. = 10

    As stated I was never a fan of WILSON, i have always felt he was an opportunist and he would lay beside anyone or anything that would benefit him and assist him in living a certain lifestyle he felt he deserved.

    He more than likely was a patronage appointment and unfortunately that happens far too often in ALL Governments.

    And as almost anyone with a pulse including WILSON himself has pointed out he was a target and he was going to be fired. iInteresting how WILSON was affiliated with so many groups yet he made many enemies.

    Of course Horgan/Ralston had the right to Fire WILSON but you must understand they did not just Fire the Man, they slandered him, defamed him, bullied him and they stuck the Knife in and twisted it. All of the while showing us that they INDEED enjoyed every single minute of it.

    To me that says a lot about their Character and Integrity. Again Horgan in particular was very dismissive and meant none of his apology, even Helen Keller would have seen and heard that.

    To clarify, WILSON deserves a Full Formal Apology or he deserves to win in Court.

    He is entitled to be exonerated in the eyes of the Public but NO MORE Tax Payers Money.

    Harvey – 12 – Response

    I do not quite agree that the Libs were quite as bad as most here believe, but ‘I do believe there were mistakes made, the Libs ran a poor Campaign and as I stated many times over the past year or so People became angry with the phoney smile, arrogance, smugness, autocratic, behavior of Clark and for those reasons and many those in your well written and reasoned response they threw the
    Liberals out.

    That excellent response should get the attention of all of us.

    My apologies to Hawgwash

    DBW – 13

    I just really hope that I am very very wrong about runaway out of control Government spending on things like Child Care/Baby Sitting which I see exploding to up to $2 Billion in 3 years, Stress Leave for First Responders, BCTF, Nurses, and other Public Sector Workers running up over $ 1 Billion within 24 months, another $ 2 Billion going into Social Engineering and the Poverty Pimps on the DES and other Cities of the Province each year and another $ 1 Billion or more each going into a handful of Projects Dreamed Up the Poster Boy for Anything Politically Correct Geoff Meg’s.

    Trust me Megg’s was the Biggest Part of Mayor Mumbles Brain and I would also expect him to be very influential in any Major Legislation that comes from the NDP!

    Geoff Megg’s has never been the Friend of ANY Hard Working Tax Payer regardless of which Team you might play on.

    Fasten your Seat Belt DBW and “Get Ready for a Very Strange Trip Indeed”!

  • 18 E. Johnson // Aug 9, 2017 at 5:05 pm

    Oh my how quickly the saints become sinners!LOL When you have touted yourself as the kinder, gentler party concerned about all British Columbians you can expect the media to call you out when you demonstrate the opposite. Continually trashing other leaders and political parties means that you have to be practically perfect once elected. That is a tall order but parties continue to fall into the same trap in spite of themselves. No doubt you are going to be blessed with blog material in the coming months Harvey.

    (Response: And no doubt castigated by former “fans” when I write about it! :) I’m used to that: when you cover politics for three decades, politicians and parties always LOVE you for being cynical and critical of the government and their foul-ups when they are in Opposition … and then HATE you when they are in government and power and you do the very same thing. Ho hum. h.o).

  • 19 13 // Aug 9, 2017 at 6:35 pm

    BTW GTB it is not politicaly correct to live in a world where we refer to people as tighty whitey and by no stretch of anyone but yours are people brown(ish). That little blurb say more about the author than anyone else.

  • 20 e.a.f. // Aug 9, 2017 at 8:34 pm

    #13 at 11. now why would I refer you to those two other organizations? Really, I do believe I am considered a bit of a leftie at this blog, so……

    Actually Norm Farrell uses the government’s own figures when he writes posts about money and the provincial coffers. I find the Fraser Institute gives just a bit too much of right hand slant as does that guy over at the taxpayers federation. They’re about as right as I am left, so Norm Farrell is a good idea for government money.

    Harvey I think I ought to send your comment out on this year’s Christmas Cards. OMG, if my friends and not so friends could read that now. Me the perfect life? even those who have loved me best in this life would never say that. As to what I would do when my employer maligned me, well once I hired a nice legal firm in Vancouver, the type with nice china and silver ware and got the apology I wanted. The next time, didn’t care what they said, 17 years later. Most of the time thought it was funny, but others didn’t and that line about revenge is a dish best eaten cold, I’m a firm believer in it. One could say much of it came back to haunt them.

    BMCQ, I hear what you say, but then again, politics is a blood sport and Wilson liked to play. What can you expect. I’ve written it before and will again, a politician is a politician. its what they do in terms of social programs, etc. that I’m interested in. So Horgan although was wrong in what he said about Wilson, he gets a point for re instituting the free education program. it helps people who need to improve their education.

    This really has to end, BMCQ. I do think that is three times I’ve agreed with you on a subject in a week or so. Meg is not a good choice. Have never really liked him. He may do more damage than good working in provincial politics. Horgan could have gotten some one more qualified or “even minded/handed”. Some one more in touch. Now if Megs is there as an administrator, it maybe o.k., but if he’s there as a policy sort of guy, not so much. As I recall when he ran for a nomination George Heyman won the nomination and is much better than Megs.

  • 21 harry lawson // Aug 10, 2017 at 12:02 am

    Harvey

    Did the NDP not learn anything from the liberals handling of the health workers firings.?

    Mr Wilson has a skill set that may or may not be in demand. however the way he was fired and the comment made by ministers of the crown was wrong. Mr Wilson stated on CKNW that the comments were covered by trade journals in the energy sector.( paraphrasing} . a half assed apology in the provincial media as a news blip doe not work. if i was Mr Wilson i would be demanding the apology be placed in all the trade journals;

    just because a person is a political appointment it doe not mean that they do n0t have to work hard or produce results .

    our system is full of political appointees from all levels of goverments. the vast majority are hard working.

    (Response: Very good point. Apparently not! Their attacks …AFTER the man was fired …showed a real meanness. But, unlike the Liberals, they at least did apologize quickly once their ineptitude and false accusations were exposed. h.o)

  • 22 BMCQ // Aug 10, 2017 at 2:08 am

    e.a.f. – 20

    Yes, you are correct Heyman did defeat Meggs for the Nomination. Personally I do not find either one desirable but are you surprised.

    It is quite easy for me to dislike someone individually for any reason yet still appreciate how they do their job in either Politics or Business. As long as they are competent, lawful, and meet my somewhat looser than most moral standards.

    I find Meggs very distasteful, an ideologue, a manipulative underhanded schemer, and someone that puts his own personal agenda ahead of what is good for the Citizens/Tax Payers.

    I truly hope Horgan will quickly realize that Meggs is not the right person for the job.

    Yes, Politics is a “Blood Sport” but there is a difference in simply handing a Patronage Appointment a “Pink Slip” which WILSON admits he expected and calling that person out, criticizing them, actually telling the Public an untruth about their work perfornance, bullying them, and harming their reputation and certainly threatening many future opportunities to be employed in any position of trust and responsibility.

    I ask any of you here, would you have hired an individual like WILSON after hearing the dishonest description and lies about his work performance and character about him from Horgan and Ralston?

    Again, I am not a supporter of WILSON but he was definitely slandered and defamed and he deserves to have his reputation restored and he deserves a more fitting apology from Horgan, The NDP, and the Government of B.C.. Ralston to his credit did the right thing and got out in front of this as soon as he could.

    Perhaps that also tells us something about Horgan character.
    Let me ask any of you here the following question.

    I was always taught by my Parents to Treat others the same way I would wish to be treated myself and I have lived by that and some more my whole life.

    How would you feel if it was YOU that was treated the same way by say An incoming Premier Diane Watts? Be honest and put yourself in that position.

    By the way, later today I will be Posting a very disturbing story on the Trudeau Lawless Migration Thread. As stated it is disturbing but it is something Canadians need to be aware of.

  • 23 13.. // Aug 10, 2017 at 10:44 am

    @eaf
    As you point out you are a leftie. My asking you why you didnt direct me to the Fraser Institute was a weak attempt at sarcasm. When ever I hear Norm Farrell I immediately become suspicious of a very biased number cruncher .
    Ive given your statement about how you were raised to be charitable a bit of thought. Obviously the inference was that I was not as charitable as you . Because you are an NDP supporter you believe in social engineering to try to make people live a lifestyle you approve of. You confuse charitable organizations with the government. They are not one and the same. Both have responsibilities to the public. In your world the line between the two is blurred or not even visible . In my world the two are not interchangeable.
    As for your assertion that “this is politics”. Agreed. I wonder why thought when the NDP screw up it just politics. When the BC Libs screwed up it was always far more than just politics in your world.

  • 24 BMCQ // Aug 10, 2017 at 11:44 am

    Something else on this that I ommittred.

    Again please put yourself in the Shoes of Wilson.

    Wilson has a Wife for sure and perhaps some Children.

    Just how would YOU e.a.f., Bean, or some of the others feel if it was your Wife, Husband, Dad, or other loved one that was Slandered, Disrespected, Bullied, Belittled, Berated, in front of Cameras, Microphones, NewsPapers, and the rest of MSM and other Media Outlets.?

    How do you think YOUR Loved Ones would feel if you were treated the way Wilson was by Horgan and Ralston?

    Just how do you think the Wilson felt?

    Can ANY of you now honestly Dare to “SPIN” this so the NDP, Ralston, and Horgan do not look so bad?

    We all awair your respons.

    I can only hope that someone in MSM has the strength of character to ask Horgan how he would feel if it was one his Family Members being vilified the way HE treated Wilson.

    I somehow doubt we will hear that question from anyone any time soon.

  • 25 Marge // Aug 10, 2017 at 12:50 pm

    Just so BCMQ is in the know, Mrs. Wilson wrote the “official: biography of Christy Clark so I think both he and she have been well over compensated by the liberals and don’t need more cash from the tax payer:

    http://www.straight.com/blogra/710481/what-recent-media-reports-arent-mentioning-coverage-judi-tyabjis-book-about-christy

  • 26 Harry lawson // Aug 10, 2017 at 12:51 pm

    Harvey,

    I must raise a point in response to 13 if it’s off topic sorry in advance .

    @13- post 23 The lines between the non profits aka charity sector and the government are very blurred . In many cases they providing contracted out services that were once handled in house . I realize that this is off topic . But I had to clarify

  • 27 e.a.f. // Aug 10, 2017 at 1:12 pm

    BMCQ, once you enter the arena of politics, you leave yourself open to all sorts of things. Before you enter politics you give that sort of thing a good “think”. You consult with your family and make them aware there maybe things said about you which aren’t kind.

    How would my “loved ones” feel about it all if I were in Wilson’s shoes? some wouldn’t care. they know who I am. Some of the others might think, omg some one is going to be sorry they said that. Some would say, this is going to be good, lets watch the show. It has been my experience children are resilent and have a better handle on such things than some adults. Its frequently the spousal unit who takes the greatest offense, but that may have more to do with their ego than the perceived hurt they inflect on others.

    If Horgan had said about me what he said about Wilson, everyone would have had a good laugh and asked did you get all the money you were to be paid?

    I learnt as a child you can’t pay too much attention to hurtful things. You could spend a lot of time crying and that wasn’t doing any good and give the other party too much satisfaction. You file it away for future reference.

    Most who enter the public arena have fairly tough hides. They can defend themselves adequately. Wilson is carrying on a like a drama queen/king.

    13 at 23, didn’t consider you to be less charitable than myself. don’t know you so I can’t have an opinion. given you don’t know me, but base you opinions on what I write, I’d beg to differ with you one, I confuse government with charity. I do believe government can and ought to engage in “social engineering”. its how we got 8 hour days, a national medical plan, pension plans paid by the government and welfare, etc. its why children are sometimes taken into government care. It all started as some sort of an experiment.

    “live a life style I approve of”, not so much. Not in a position to make much comment about how most people live their lives because mine has not been lived with the greatest of care. Your life style is your business. How you make your living is your business.

    Your last line gave me a good laugh, of course its always so much worse or more when the other party, person, etc. screws up. Lets keep it real here. it is human nature to give those who you agree with much more latitude than those who you don’t agree with. Your little angel tosses his cup across the room, its oh so cute. another kid does it, not so funny. Most of us are very forgiving of those we like, care about, etc. when they don’t do things right or just plan make things a disaster. How many people bail their kids out of jail but the other kid, just bad news. o.k. I’m off topic now.

    All of this is what makes blogs fun, its all the different opinions, changing opinions, etc. Most of us don’t know who the other is.

  • 28 G. Barry Stewart // Aug 10, 2017 at 1:29 pm

    13@23:

    “When ever I hear Norm Farrell I immediately become suspicious of a very biased number cruncher.”

    Norm was clearly anti-BC Liberal in his posts and tweets in the run-up to the election, though he has said in the past that he would keep any ruling government’s feet to the fire. We can watch and see what he writes in the coming months, as the new government works its way through its promises, initiatives and daily operations.

    His main interest is efficient use of tax dollars… the same as you, 13. If you have an issue with his graphs and calculations, I invite you to challenge him at his site.

    There are very few who ever question Norm’s work. One theory I have is that he hasn’t left his detractors even one leg to stand on.

  • 29 Gene The Bean // Aug 10, 2017 at 1:49 pm

    (Edited…personal insults unfit for publication on my blog. h.o)

    Just like Horgan was right.

    Horgan still shouldn’t have said it but you snowflakes need to remember this isn’t a bible study class. This is the wild west of BC politics. One size fits all.

    If you are morally bankrupt and someone calls you that – is that wrong? No. Because it is true. It may be rude, don’t care, so suck it up buttercup.

    BREAKING NEWS:
    Eby spotted for second day in a row wearing no socks! Lets all meet at Barry’s house to start the protest march…..

  • 30 Harry lawson // Aug 10, 2017 at 2:38 pm

    I miss the days when politics were about working together for the good of society. I have watched BC political administrations from wac Bennett to Horgan . In my opinion each administration has taken politics lower and lower. Horgan has a opportunity to change the downward cycle let’s hope he does.

    I can say I am disappointed when I read disrespectful comments made towards other posters because of their opinions.

    In my opinion when you are disrespectful to the other posters you are also being disrespectful to Harvey.

    (Response: Politics in BC have always been rough and tumble …but at least, each side usually had their targets well lined up before firing. When it came to Wilson, Horgan/NDP just fired … literally and then verbally … and ended up with most of their buckshot on themselves. h.o)

  • 31 BMCQ // Aug 10, 2017 at 3:13 pm

    Marge – 25

    I am on record as stating I am not a supporter of WILSON, I have no problem with the firing of WILSON as he acknowledges himself.

    I have also way up the page stated that he should Sue the NDP, Horgan and the B.C. And he will more than likely win.

    I have already stated that HE has already had enough Tax Payer Money and he should be awarded no more than a TIM Hortons Gift Certificate.

    e.a.f. – 27

    You are always the person we can all depend upon here to speak up for Children.

    Let’s imagine that the offspring of WILSON are say pre teen or prrhaps a little older and other students hear that Person of Great Moral Character John Horgan and Ralston for that matter slagging WILSON on the News.

    Wilsons Children and their School Mates hear Horgan Slandering, Defaming, and putting across that WILSON “Did No Work”! Think about it!

    Can you honestly try to tell me that the taunts from those School Yard Bullies would not be directed at Wilsons Children the very next day?

    Come on e.a.f., you are better than this!

    If you do not get it now I have great sympathy for you.

    Barry – 28

    Come on Barry, you saw the welcome I got when I posted there and threw out a challenge.

    You seem intelligent to me, if you are honest you should admit that Farrell has NO Detractors because “He is Preaching to the Choir”!

    Why would any Good NDP Supporter Farrell on his Musings, he is giving them EXACTLY what they want, Anti B.C. Liberal Material.

    Let’s see how well his Site does now that he will ignore transgressions of the NDP and there is nothing to report.

    Or let’s suggest that your Boy get out the Calculator and show the “Great Unwashed” just how much Tax Payers Money The Great Tom Berger will spend attempting to quash Kinder Morgan, that would be a good place to start with the new Government.

    Then your Boy Norm could calculate just how many Well Paying Jobs will vanish after the NDP cancel MOST Major Infrastructure Projects that were scheduled to commence in B.C. Over the next few years.

    Farrell could then calculate how many Jobs will also be lost on the Waterfront, Trucking, Shipyards, Mining, Logging, over the next 4 plus years of a Horgan Government.

    Then Norm could calculate just much is lost in Royalries of various Natural Resources that are not delivered to Market on behalf of B.C. Residents and Tax Payers.

    Then He could really keep himself busy keeping Track of the size of B.C. Budget Deficits soon to appear.

    No Barry, Norm has NO Detractors because he gives the Punters exactly what they want, Hate for the B.C. liberals.

  • 32 Hawgwash // Aug 10, 2017 at 4:04 pm

    How did this slither into an attack on Norm Farrell?

    I suggest he has no detractors because he uses the Government’s own published numbers.

    Slagging Justice Tomas Berger?
    Such class from an individual who has only one tolerant blog host left.

    Time for a holiday Harvey.
    Both of us.

    (Response: Once again, in the interest of as broad a discussion as possible, I allow someone to criticise someone with a public blog and fairly high profile (hate to censor) … and then, it gets away from me. Will end that stream now. h.o)

  • 33 13.. // Aug 10, 2017 at 4:47 pm

    Harvey its going to be a hard pull to get through to the next election. As someone up the page pointed out its nice to see 13 and BMCQ on offense instead of defense for a change.
    Personally I think that I (and BMCQ) were not as apt to defend the indefensible. For instance the health care firings. I stand to be corrected but I dont think I ever tried to rationalize that situation.
    So I look forward to the coming NDP screw ups. They will make for lively entertainment. I hope the “dippers” ( I must be sheltered as Ive never heard that term before) turn themselves inside out trying to defend the errors that are coming down the pike.
    My holiday is coming to an end so I wont be able to respond to every bizzare post but I will try.
    @GBS when Im done strolling through Norm Farrells blog maybe you could take me on a tour of the BCTF headquarters.

    (Response: The tides come in and then go out …regardless of who’s in power: and so it is in real reporting or blogging …. even if some suddenly want to stem the flow. h.o)

  • 34 Lulymay // Aug 10, 2017 at 5:22 pm

    Oh my, I’ve been out of province for a few days and look what has happened! Harvey, you do have a way of firing up the folks.

    With respect to Gordon Wilson: I will never criticize the issue of his involvement with Judy when they were both elected to the Leg. There are many other politicians who ended up with members of the opposite sex (a guy named “Bud” comes to mind). These things happen and I can say at least their relationship was sincere and are now happily married. That happens many times in our society. However, the media made a HUGE issue of this ‘relationship’ and did so in order to have Gordo the great enter the arena.

    That was such a such a bunch of bs considering their dear Gordo’s own reputation! This was all orchestrated in order for Gordo to take over leadership of the new and s0-called Liberals, which were just the old Socreds and Reforms when you actually look honestly at it. Faux Libs.

    Unfortunately, because the Wilsons were sidelined and had not much future financially, CC hired him to do all sorts of ‘work’ in order to gain his political support. I think that Wilson was hired to not much of nothing to help him out while his spouse was hired to write a ‘royal’ book about queen Christy in order to salve her inate need to be crowned and admired, and that is why the Wilsons are now just political pawns – which sometimes is okay and other times not so okay.
    If they are being called for what they really are, that is the business of tagging your reputation to a bunch of grifters, which we have had for nearly 16 years.

    (Response: I’ve always tried to stay away from getting into personal matters involving politicians ..unless it involves the public purse or improper nepotism or contracts etc. There’s always a lot other on-the-job failings to go after! And nothing wrong with giving him the heave-ho. But then Horgan et al had to open up their mouths: now I believe the taxpayers will pay for that. h.o.)

  • 35 BMCQ // Aug 10, 2017 at 8:52 pm

    I think too many contributors to this Blog are forgetting something very important and germane to this discussion regarding the Firing of Gordon WILSON.

    Both the Premier of this Province (Horgan) and Ralston have APOLOGIZED Publicly to Gordon WILSON.

    I strongly suggest You ask yourselves just why they did that.
    …………………..

    Did I not say, “The Great Tom Berger”.

    And that is exactly what I meant.

    Please DO NOT put words in my mouth.

  • 36 dan // Aug 11, 2017 at 7:13 am

    This one is small potatoes.

    Gordon Wilson sue for damages? Get serious this guy doesn’t have the resources to sue anyone.

    A damaged reputation?

    Wilson’s reputation as an adulterer, a flip flopper, a man who would sell his integrity for taxpayer dole remains intact.

    And everyone with an ounce of common sense knows this. Wilson has been Clark’s shoeshine guy on LNG and produces 180 pages in half a decade?

    Where are the other 4500 pages? At least that much over that time period…. The few town meetings this guy attended he was booed out of the place.

    Find something important to sink your teeth into and write about. Leave the weak attempts to tarnish Horgan and co to childmind cheerleaders like Mike Smyth.

    (Response: Good suggestion… I have found something else that’s important to write about! Read my NEXT blog …but somehow I don’t think YOU will like that one better. :) h.o)

  • 37 BMCQ // Aug 11, 2017 at 7:56 am

    dan – 36

    I have been very up fron about the fact that I am not a supporter of Gordon Wilson and I have no problem that Horgan/Ralston Fired him.

    No One is defending the Hiring of Wilson, and No One is defending the Job Wilson did, even Ralston backed off and withdrew EVERYTHING he said!! Get it dan?

    I challenge you to read the statement from John Ralston and then come back here and attempt to defend your charges.

    Wilson was treated very poorly, he was defamed, slandered, and he was hung out to dry by a very vindictive Bully by the name of John Horgan.

    Again dan “Read My Lips” Horgan and Ralston Apologized, what should that tell you?

    You and I may not like how Wilson or any other politician lives their personal life but being an Adulterer has nothing to do with his Job as LNG Facilitator. For ALL I know he did a poor job but AGAIN Ralston and Horgan both Apologized dan BOTH of them!!

    Read their Lips!

  • 38 dan // Aug 11, 2017 at 9:06 am

    Harvey,
    I have always been of the opinion you are a better writer than to be involved in this kind of reporting.

    @ BCMQ
    The prurient fixation you so obviously suffer from with everything socred/liberal requires treatment.
    See your physician soon.

  • 39 13.. // Aug 11, 2017 at 10:55 am

    @dan #36.
    Your right why is Harvey wasting time on a new debacle like Gordon Wilson, Petronas, or Kinder Morgan
    The sale of CN, Teachers contracts, these are something Harvey could “sink his teeth” into.
    dan if you feel the need to relive the past look through Harveys web site. Click on archives and scroll down to BC Politics. You will be able to relive the past in all its glory. You wont find much on the NDP because they havent been in power for the past 16 years. Oh yeah remember the past , the last time the NDP lost an election they managed to hold on to two seats.

  • 40 13.. // Aug 11, 2017 at 1:06 pm

    Meant last time they lost control of the province

  • 41 G. Barry Stewart // Aug 11, 2017 at 10:13 pm

    Perhaps the new government is learning from the Wilson booting.

    From the CBC site today:

    “Four of the five members of the Transportation Investment Corporation board, which oversees B.C.’s Port Mann Bridge, have been removed by the provincial government.

    “In an Order In Council formally approved on Friday, chair Daniel Doyle and directors Anne Stewart, Clifford Neufeld and former finance minister Colin Hansen had their appointments rescinded.

    … “In a statement, Transportation Minister Claire Trevena thanked the departed members for their service.”

    They may have been equally as effective as Mr. Wilson — but today, they were simply booted… with a “thank you.”

    Note also: they were not replaced with left-leaning friends. They’re just gone.

    Good.

    (Response: Yes, good. Maybe they are learning. As for whether they will be replaced by “left-leaning friends” ….I’ll wait and see. h.o.)

  • 42 BMCQ // Aug 12, 2017 at 2:26 pm

    Gary – 41

    Thank you for bringing this to our attention, I can only hope that some of your NDP Supporting friends who have Posted earlier will finally get the message and understand that Horgan and Ralston Apologized because it was the right thing to do. At least I am confident that Ralston thought it was the right thing to for.

    Horgan on the other hand? Did not mean a word of it and I hope the arrogance and dismissive attitude comes back to Bite him!

    I despise Kwan and Eby and I freely admit I can be very vindictive but I could never have treated them the way WILSON was treated.

    Good for Trevena.

  • 43 BMCQ // Aug 14, 2017 at 7:40 am

    Barry – 41

    Further to your Post on Trevena.

    From what I have heard over the weekend we may hear much more from Wilson and his Lawyer on the Slander and Defamation.

    I do not know if it will go all the way to Court but you can bet that the Tax Payer will be on the Hook for a fairly large payout to Wilson.

    Totally unnecessary and unfortunate that Horgan chose to Bully and Gloat when all they had to do was cut Wilson loose be done with it.

  • 44 Don // Aug 15, 2017 at 1:35 pm

    Couple of points. Where can I get a position so well paid for writing a couple hundred pages of reports over a few years?! Did Pamela get sacked as well?

  • 45 BMCQ // Aug 18, 2017 at 6:05 am

    Perhaps regular Posters on this Blog will now accept the fact that Gordon Wilson will Sue Horgan, Ralston, and the B.C. NDP Government!

    AS stated Horgan and Ralston were Stupid enough to Trash Wilson when all they were required to to do was thank him for his service and Fire Him, because of that they exposed themselves to ridicule and the Tax Payer of B.C. to Legal Action.

    Wilson was a Patronage Appointment and he expected to be Fired but what Horgan and Ralston did was beyond ridiculous.

    Do not worry though the Tax Payer will end up paying for the Horgan and Ralston Stupidity.

    This WILL NOT go to Court but the Tax Payer of B.C. needs to know exactly how much the Total Cost of Setlement and Legal Costs Total.

    In all honesty I absolutely hate to see Wilson get another Penny of Tax Payer Money.

    I doubt if he was worth more than $ 20 K per year but we can thank Horgan and Weaver for creating this Mess and they should be ashamed of themselves.

    Horgan looked so Arrogant when he made the Apology there is no way in Hell that his Legal Team would allow him to proceed and put up a Defense.

    (Response: Loose lips sink …. politicians. Reportedly, Wilson is suing for $5 MILLION. http://globalnews.ca/news/3678832/former-lng-advocate-gordon-wilson-seeks-5m-in-defamation-lawsuit/. h.o)

  • 46 DBW // Aug 21, 2017 at 8:34 am

    Just noticed the lawsuit and saw that there had been some further comment. Two questions.

    1. Horgan and Ralston both apologized within a couple of days of the statement (dumb as it was) being made. How much damage could be done to a person’s reputation if the apology is so quick?

    What effect does an apology have?
    A newspaper or a TV or radio station that publishes or broadcasts a libel can limit the amount of the damages they may have to pay by publishing or broadcasting an apology right away.

    https://www.cbabc.org/For-the-Public/Dial-A-Law/Scripts/Your-Rights/240

    How can Wilson prove that any damage occurred to his reputation in the two days before the retraction?

    2. How much is Wilson worth. Even supposing that his reputation is damaged, $5M is a lifetime of work at $150,000/year. Wilson is 68 years old. If he never worked again, how much has he lost?

    I am not justifying Ralston and Horgan saying what they did.

    But what does it say about Wilson who is asking for this huge settlement despite an immediate retraction and apology. He has been in the public eye for much of his life and his reputation is based on that more than a stupid comment that was retracted.

    It will be interesting to see how far this actually goes.