Lots of Lessons in BC Election Results

The final figures won’t be known for weeks … but the NDP can celebrate with assurance they’ve won a majority government.

The NDP learned it will likely end up with 55 seats in the 87-seat Legislature; the Liberals 29; and, the Greens 3.

The NDP found out it’s handling of the Covid-19 pandemic, and government itself, has received a fairly large people’s vote of confidence.

But they also learned although they are favored by voters on Vancouver Island and the Lower Mainland, the Liberals are still favored in the east, centre and northeast parts of the province.

The Liberals learned their message sold in many interior rural communities, but fell flat on the coast and Vancouver Island.

They also learned their leader has got to go.

There were lessons for the Greens too: despite having won their first seat on the mainland, they are still failing badly at winning voters, capturing only three seats .. crushing any realistic hope of winning power in the foreseeable future.

The Greens learned that, while many British Columbians support environmental change, they prefer the NDP’s (and even the Liberals’ moderate approaches) rather than the Greens’ hate-on-for-cars extremism.

In most of the province, the Greens learned voters rejected them handily … I believe partly because of their extremist agenda and also because of the wide coverage of the fascist style governance of the elected Greens on the Vancouver Park Board.

Meanwhile, we all learned British Columbians like voting by mail … and I’d bet that method of balloting participation will remain strong, even after Covid.

And there’s a lesson in that for Elections BC: faster ways have to developed to validate and count those ballots …and also establish safe ways for voting on-line.

And from the relatively low turnout, we all learned that only if we feel motivated enough, only if the issues/differences are clear enough, and only it’s actually easy to vote … then more of us will.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau learned from BC (New Brunswick as well) that calling an election during a pandemic can work for incumbents: and he will probably regret not having done that, when he does go to the polls next Spring.

Conservative Leader Erin O’Toole, seeing the strength of John Horgan’s BC victory, likely is grateful for another six months to build his own recognition and develop an updated platform, instead of facing the federal incumbent right now.

Even the Americans could have learned from BC and the other Canadian votes: that it is possible to hold elections, political campaigns, debates and disagreements without deep bitter divisions, fears of violence or packed rallies spreading Covid, illness and death.

Yes, lots to learn from BC’s experience this election. You can probably add a few more.

And if there are lessons to be absorbed, perhaps BC’s media learned that, when the signs are all there five months in advance that a Premier is clearly maneuvering towards a snap election , and when the blogosphere starts talking about those signs … maybe, just maybe, the media should really go after the “story”.

And not just wait for the official announcement.

Harv Oberfeld

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18 Responses to Lots of Lessons in BC Election Results

  1. DBW says:

    Harvey, your hate-on for the Greens hate on for the car is greater than the Greens actual hate-on for the car.

    I don’t have time to do a complete analysis of all the ridings in BC but over my peanut butter and banana sandwich breakfast, I was able to look up the election results for the 11 Vancouver ridings in 2017 and the preliminary results from Saturday.

    In eight of those ridings the Greens increased their percentage of the popular vote. In two they were lower and one stayed the same. In Point Grey for example the Greens increased their popular vote by 8% which coincidentally is about the same amount that David Eby lost. What lesson can we learn there?

    Yes, their % province wide is down but that is easily explained. Sonia Furstenau did not have much time or opportunity to make her presence known and the Greens did not run as many candidates as last time. As well, like the Liberals, the Greens lost to the popularity of the NDP.

    Things can certainly change (30% of the vote have yet to be counted) and the next election is not dependent on this one, but if I were a Green supporter, I would be more pleased than disappointed in the results.

    The Liberal brand on the other hand may be in a lot of trouble. Their big tent of the centre right may be imploding. The “liberal” voters who support them look to be jumping ship. The Conservatives only got 2-some % of the vote but they only ran in, I believe, a handful of ridings so the % will be much greater in the ridings where they ran. What impact did they have in those ridings and what does that mean for the Conservatives moving forward?

    (Response: Notice the title of this blog is Keeping it Real. That’s what I am doing. Read the Greens platform (I outlined SEVERAL quotes directly from it recently) and LISTEN to what they say: they DO have a hate-on for cars and those who drive them. I see and hear the spin in the MSM that they did terrifically … gaining ONE seat on mainland BC. Really??? They are not novices: have been trying for DECADES and still have only three seats … two of them won … I believe not by ideology … but by the high personal profiles of Furstenau and Olson … and only one seat on the entire mainland of the province. That’s dismal! And even worse when they realize that with an NDP majority, they aren’t needed anymore and will actually have LESS power and LESS importance than before! Dismal! Let’s keep it real … The Greens have to learn that the majority of British Columbians are NOT extreme left (or right) and have opted EVERY ELECTION for parties closer to the centre of the political spectrum. If the Greens ever want to achieve their ultimate goals, they have to learn to go slow and moderate (like the Greens do in Europe). Otherwise they will NEVER achieve power beyond their minor current fascistic rule on the Vancouver Park Board: they have to shift towards the centre and abandon their extreme policies, including their hate-on for cars. h.o)

  2. e.a.f. says:

    What I found interesting was the number of Conservatives who ran. One of them ran in Nanaimo. Haven’t seen the figures for how many votes he received, but it will be interesting. My thoughts on it is, the Conservatives decided to run a few, in specific ridings, to see how they would do. They did O.K., I recall going through some figures and they were about even with the Greens, on election night.

    The B.C. Lieberals as it now stands lost a number of seats and senior people. Not unhappy they went. I suspect if the Conservatives run their candidates again and they keep a profile in their communities, they may break through next time. There are people who held their noses and voted NDP. There were those who didn’t vote because they wouldn’t vote B.C. Lieberal, but weren’t going to vote left either. I think there is room for the Conservatives to grow, if they do a good job.

    It was clear Wilkinson just doesn’t have it. Even on election night he couldn’t fake it to look like he had anything going for him. Time to change leaders. Todd Stone might be happy right about now.

    Went on Sat. and voted. It was well organized. Everyone doing their distancing thing and just about everyone wearing a mask. We can do elections with COVID. The mail in voting worked for a number of my friends. The advance polls were good.

    DBW, I don’t consider Harvey having a hate on for the Greens. He has simply been clear about their short comings, in my opinion. Don’t think Greens hate cars. they don’t like gas/diesel run vehicles. Would suggest they’re fine with electric cars.
    In my opinion, the Greens don’t have enough to offer the general population.. It may come some day, but not right now. Most people’s first priority is to keep a roof over their heads, have a doctor for themselves and family, and education for their kids. the Greens haven’t been great about articulating how that will happen.

    Now with the Conservatives having stuck their heads up out of the ground it will be interesting to see, who makes the most gains in the next 4 years, the Cons or the Greens. On the other hand, if Horgan continues to do the things people want and the B.C. Lieberals don’t get their act together, the NDP may be there for some time.

    (Response: The Conservatives could stage a comeback, if they adopt a middle-class-friendly platform, improve their organizational abilities and start to raise more private and corporate funds. They used to actually be a factor in BC politics, as were the Socreds as well. The provincial Liberal brand was clearly badly damaged by Gordon Campbell and although Christy Clark did resuscitate it fairly well for a while, she too eventually led it into disfavour with many voters. As for your point about the Greens and electric cars, unfortunately, their platform does NOT say that: it repeatedly calls for car-free areas (pedestrians, cyclists only) and the Greens ban on parking all Spring and Summer at Vancouver parks/beaches and Stanley Park barred ALL cars … not just gas powered h.o)

  3. Graham Elder says:

    I believe union AND corporate donations to political parties are now banned in B.C.. Thankfully. Total personal limit is $1250. I think.
    Personally, I am glad at the election result. In my tax bracket the NDP are the only party I have a chance of looking out for me. I hope they do well for all though and I like that J.H. Has pledged to work with and take ideas from all the parties. I know that the NDP has to do at least as twice as well as a Conservative party to be considered successful so here’s hoping.
    As for the political reporters, I don’t think they have the same pull as they once did with the Liberals so may not be getting early information. I guess the NDP don’t play golf as much with the reporters like the so called Liberals.

    (Response: Thanks. Had forgotten union and corporate donations were banned …although there is some wiggle room around that through personal donations and I believe pre-election third party ads as well. I think the media still plays a major role in communicating between the government and the public and was especially important during a pandemic election campaign. To that extent, I think Keith Baldrey of Global did a superb job of keeping viewers informed of each machination during not only the election but Covid as well. His knowledge, experience and journalistic gravitas was literally front and center. But as to your point about political reporters not having the same pull as they once did, I think the biggest thing missing at all levels today is good old fashioned cynicism and tough questioning of not just politicians but officials as well… not even a hero like Dr Bonnie Henry would be given the free pass, without much tough questioning, she automatically gets today. There was healthy journalist/politician/bureaucrat separation … even minor antagonism. I rarely socialized in any way with any of them when I covered government. A lot of them disliked me for my tough questioning, pursuing them down hallway when they didn’t want to answer questions or showing the actual clips of them refusing to stop and talk (really an insult to their voters more than me), and the viewers appreciated our efforts, and our ratings… almost double what they are now … reflected that. h.o)

  4. DBW says:

    Seriously Harvey, what was the expectation for the Greens heading into this election. They maintained their seat count. They didn’t lose much in the popular vote considering the circumstances. The NDP got the majority that most everybody figured they would get mainly at the expense of the Liberals so I don’t see how you can call the Green results dismal.

    And let’s keep it real. In our electoral system third parties are always at a disadvantage. They got over 15% of the vote but only 4% of the seats.

    And What about historical. The CCF was formed in 1935 and ran in seven elections before becoming the NDP in 1960. Their best outing was 15.6%. Since becoming the NDP, they have run in 19 federal elections, most of the time getting in the mid teens of the popular vote with a high of 30% in 2011 and a low of 7% in 1993. While some of those elections were dismal, I don’t think we can forget the number of improvements in labour and health and social reforms that were made because the NDP fought for them. Maybe we should give the Greens time.

    And again, keeping it real. You told e.a.f. that the Green platform said nothing about electric cars and everything about car free zones. Here is one of the 23 planks of their platform.

    https://www.bcgreens.ca/electrifying_transportation

    The non-fascist 3/7 Green Vancouver Parks Board is not the entirety of the Green Party.

    But I do believe the Liberal Party needs to rethink its future.

    https://bc.ctvnews.ca/conservative-party-split-right-of-centre-vote-away-from-bc-liberals-says-analyst-1.5160234

    (Response: Interesting you mention the CCF/NDP: it’s my understanding the far left CCF MODERATED as the NDP, before gaining power in Saskatchewan. And don’t forget Tommy Douglas and the promise of medicare: that was a POSITIVE program for everyone …not a devisive, negative, punishing, bullying creation of a two-tiered system, giving preferential status to a preferred elite. h.o)

  5. D. M. Johnston says:

    My take on the election, big problems ahead.

    But first.

    The NDP. They have won a victory mostly on the fact that BC Liberals hubris about their 19 year rule. The leader, has the charisma of a cadaver and voting NDP seemed the only option. Big tax and user fee hikes in 2021 to pay for Covid, will erode the NDP’s support in coming years and 2024 could be dicey for them.

    The Liberals really have to free themselves of their “free enterprise” shtick and their religious zealots as both do not have a place. If the Liberals get a leader who understands 21st century problems and not fight 20th century precepts, they will have a good chance to win in 2024. If they stay with their current 1980’s globalization and “free enterprise” they will again get second prize.

    The Greens were the real winners with 3 seats and even thought they do not have official party status, they will soon become a force to recon with.

    If the Greens wish to advance, they must rethink grand ideas and start local. Affordable change and ditch the anti car rhetoric. Distance yourselves from the cycle lobby but support clean water initiatives and green energy such a solar, wind and thermal.

    To be effective the Greens must be seen as effective as well as understanding. If they do, they may gain more seats in 2024, if not, adios.

    Financial fiascos coming in fast:

    Site C
    Transit
    Municipal spending
    Massive tax hikes.

    Pitchfork time.

    The real loser was democracy in BC, with about 50% of the population voting and with notable absence of the Millennial and GenZ. They have been forgotten by all political parties and their future is bleak, damn bleak.

    The NDP thew the 2020 grade 12 grads under the bus in their rush to ensure full wages for bus drivers to drive largely empty buses and the liberals just did not give a damn. Tens of millions for good union members, diddlysquat for 2020 grads.

    I asked mt 24 year old son why he didn’t vote and his answer, I think, sums up their current opinion. “Why vote, they are all the same and we are royally f***ed”

    (Response: I agree with your statement: ” If the Liberals get a leader who understands 21st century problems and not fight 20th century precepts, they will have a good chance to win in 2024.” They certainly have to adjust their focus, their outreach, their platform and, frankly, then attract more broadly suitable and appealing people to run for office. And I will predict that with majority power, the NDP will get arrogant and sloppy and more militant over time … making it easier for the Liberals to accomplish those other tasks outlined here. And with Wilkinson now having announced he’s stepping down, the Liberals’ first task is to find a credible leader capable of carrying out the other changes. h.o)

  6. Gilbert says:

    I’m very disappointed with the results. I don’t understand the voters of West Vancouver. How could they vote for the Green Party? It’s clear that Andrew Wilkinson was rejected by many voters and will be replaced. Maybe he reminds people too much of Gordon Campbell, who should have resigned after his embarrassing scandal in Hawaii. If Diane Watts had been the leader, maybe we would have seen a very different result.

    I wonder what role the media played in this election. If I’m not mistaken, John Horgan seems to enjoy a very good relationship with the media. Maybe the Liberals have to improve their relationship with the media because it often seemed that they failed to communicate their message effectively.

    We’ll see what happens, but I doubt John Horgan’s popularity will last. To be blunt, he’s not a man of high intellect and I doubt he’ll do anything about our tent cities, aggressive beggars, and lack of support for small business. I suspect one reason for his majority was simply that voters approved of his handling of the pandemic and liked the bribes he offered taxpayers with their own money.

    (Response: Don’t forget West Vancouver city is only part of a large riding (West Vancouver Sea to Sky) that extends up to Squamish, Whistler and beyond …and that no doubt helped the Greens. Plus the mail in/absentee vote is still in play there. As for the political-type media, I believe too many of them are too friendly with all the politicians, not just the NDP … and critical questioning/coverage suffers from that. The one exception I’m aware of: Mike Smyth on CKNW, who does a terrific job going after them all. And hopefully there are still others working for media outside Vancouver who are also tough questioners but with whom I’m just not familiar. h.o)

  7. harry lawson says:

    Harvey

    the bigger issue is the Liberals under Wilkinson dropped the ball , they lost langley . his heart was not in it. this was the worst campaign i have seen from a liberal party ever.
    We now have 4 years of the NDP thanks to the fact that Wilkinson failed as a leader, he was out maneuvered by Horgan . so once again another election cycle hits rural vs urban the divide is there , i just hope the liberals choose a good leader.

    (Response: Your last line raises the question: Why didn’t the Liberals choose a good leader in the first place? Were the other contenders even less impressive? Like it or not, this is a visual/TV age and the first time I saw Wilkinson speak, I thought … seems so sour, plus reminded me of Gordon Campbell! Not a good start. After that, he got better … had some good points/thoughts to share …but I never saw any charisma, warmth or projected empathy for ordinary working people/families which politician MUST project, even if he or she is faking. And if a party finds someone who sincerely does care about working British Columbians and looks/sounds like it …that’s half the battle won. The other half are policies that reflect that and attract voters. The Liberals now have four years to do both. h.o)

  8. Jason says:

    It’s interesting to see that the Green Party’s share of the popular vote has gone down quite a bit (of course the mail in ballots are still to come but it’s still a significant decline from the 2017 election). I think a lot of voters in the Lower Mainland have seen the Green’s in action on Vancouver City Council and the Park Board and (as you’ve said repeatedly in the last year or so, their policies are far too radical for mainstream voters). And Murray Rankin picked up Andrew Weaver’s seat for the NDP in Oak Bay, which I suppose shows Weaver’s personal popularity was stronger than that of the Green brand.

    With a large working majority, I think this might be an opportunity for John Horgan. He strikes me as a middle of the road kind of NDPer, concerned with better health and welfare, social services, schools, etc, along with resource development balanced with a concern for ecology and preservation. And I like what he said about trying to reach out to voters outside of the Lower Mainland.

    If I were in the Premier’s shoes, I might begin to sideline some of the more left wing members of the caucus (which Horgan can do now that he has a strong working majority). Firstly, I think he should replace David Eby as Attorney General. I’m actually surprised he got re-elected in Point Grey and even in 2017, I thought an activist, storefront lawyer was far too ideological to be Attorney General. I think Bruce Ralston might be a better a choice, he studied law at Cambridge (and I think he’s Queen’s Council?) and seems like a more centrist option (and he has Cabinet experience).

    Carole James leaves a big hole to fill as Finance Minister (and, of course, best of luck to her as she goes into retirement, especially with her health challenges). I can’t think of a replacement for her off hand, possibly Adrian Dix, but he seems to be doing well in the Health portfolio (and he might become a target for the opposition given his association with the 1990s governments). Mike Farnworth might be another choice but I don’t think he’s ever held an economic portfolio (and he is quite good on public safety issues, it might be worth keeping him as Solicitor General).

    If I were Horgan I would certainly steer clear of the more ideological members of the Caucus, I’m thinking about MLA’s like Spencer Herbert, Bowinn Ma, Ravi Kahlon, and a few others. The extreme narrative they push about sexism, racism, homophobia etc is sure to be a turn off to a lot of mainstream voters (obviously there are social issues to deal with but the idea that BC is a particularly hostile place to minorities is pushing it, in my view).

    If Horgan can stick to bread and butter issues for the Working and Middle Class with a strong concern for Lower Income folks, the NDP might have a shot at staying in power for a while (assuming the austerity measures and tax rises to pay for the COVID crisis aren’t too onerous and the opposition continues to be in disarray, but we shall see).

    (Response: It will be interesting to see the final vote count: every ballot is important. But it’s disappointing to hear/see the MSM buying the cliché spin that the Greens did great! Three seats out of 87 (two of those I believe based on personality rather than policies); loss of power over the government; loss of or little gain in popular vote … these are NOT signs of growth, acceptance, victory! Clearly, success lies closer to the centre, not the extreme and respect/understanding and accommodation of a wider constituency …not just the radicals in their base. h.o)

  9. G. Barry Stewart says:

    Gilbert contends that Horgan is “not a man of high intellect” — but I say he’s got something that voters admired.

    He displays confidence in front of the camera and has a good grasp of the major issues. Despite not having a law background, he speaks well. His detractors sometimes call him arrogant — but we know arrogance, by looking south of the border. Horgan’s humility and smarts have guided him to step aside and let Adrian Dix and Bonnie Henry lead the province in the COVID crisis.

    If Horgan were the BC Liberal leader and Wilkinson was the face of the NDP, I think the election would have had an inverse result. No? He’s the best we had for leadership material (and I’m not talking a 3 when the others were a 2) — and he now has the full reins to show us what he can do.

    I voted for the NDP… but I’ll hold Site C against Horgan, if he and his cabinet choose not to pull the plug on that money pit. Technology is giving us great ways to conserve energy, as well as produce it without building a dam on unstable ground.

    (Response: Horgan does come across very well, very sincere on the tube … little sign ever of what I hear is his fiery temper. And like it or not, the truth is that it’s what voters SEE/FEEL on tv that really counts: something the Liberals need to keep in mind when choosing their next leader. Now I know that choosing charisma alone poses its own dangers, but unfortunately that’s really important these days: platform and promises to follow. h.o)

  10. G. Barry Stewart says:

    Another theme: thanks so much to the Conservatives, who pulled votes away from the de facto Conservatives… the BC Liberals. This likely upset a number of ridings in the Fraser Valley, letting the NDP take the lead in Chilliwack and Langley, where they usually were distant runners-up.

    Right-leaning voters need a place to park their votes — and it shouldn’t be confusing to know who to vote for. “Daddy, why do you and Mommy vote for DOWN, when you REALLY want to vote for UP?”

    “Well, Billy, it’s a sort of secret code that we only use in B.C.”

    “I think I understand, Daddy: I’ll say I HATE you — but you’ll know I don’t really mean it. It’s just our secret code, right?”

    “Uh…”

    The BC Libs need a new leader — and they should really come up with a new name while they’re at it. I saw a suggestion facetiously offered on a BC Liberal Facebook thread: “Conservative Reform Action Party.” The abbreviation probably won’t fly, though…

    🙂

    (Response: Ohhh…the possibilities of a new name and new acronym! What fun politicos could have … with four years now to play with that! 🙂 h.o)

  11. nonconfidencevote says:

    “Why didn’t the Liberals choose a good leader in the first place? Were the other contenders even less impressive?”

    ++++

    Yep.
    Wilkinson must have pulled in a lot of favor’s to win the Leadership of the party.
    As someone else mentioned, he had the charisma of a cadaver.
    He projected zero humor, zero empathy, zero compassion.
    A non started right out of the gate.
    The sooner he’s gone the better.
    The Liberal Party hacks will wear that loss for the next 4 years.
    Time to rebrand and rebuild.
    Todd Stone should be the next leader.

    As for the Millennials and genZ not voting….
    Only if their CERB is threatened and mom cuts off dinner brought to the basement tv.

    (Response: My own assessment is that Diane Watts might appeal more to urban voters, where the Liberals are clearly weak. If she does not run, I see Todd Stone as more likely to succeed than Jas Johal (doesn’t ooze empathy or charisma) or Kevin Falcon (tied too much to the Liberals of old). But I think what the party really could use would be NEW leadership, from outside its current establishment ..and they do have an opportunity now to find that. h.o)

  12. hawgwash says:

    Before I’m labeled an NDP stalwart, I have voted across the board, with the exception of Conservative for over five decades. I also was publicly rough on John Horgan in opposition.

    Having said that, I have not been more pleased with a BC outcome, since I was a union local president, living in Dave Barrett’s riding in 1972. I worked on his election team. Say no more.

    Living in Sidney, I have found it easy to vote Green, solely because those candidates were the better personal and local choice. Adam Olsen got my vote a second time.

    So, why am I happy? I believed Mr. Horgan made the right choice, calling the election now.

    His government has delivered on 79% of promises made, we need the next four, uninterrupted years, to concentrate on major issues besides COVID-19 and keeping a minority government afloat. Lesser was the lack of a Liberal leader and a troublesome Green thorn, in Sonia Furstenau. Watch her.

    I’m happy with the depth of the bench the NDP now has, but at the same time, wary of such strength causing bad feelings within. This term, he will need to make at least one shuffle to keep the troops and swung voters happy.

    I believe a major move will be the scrapping of Site C, putting that spending to better use, on a Langley Sky Train and valley votes.

    I agree with Harvey, the Liberals need a new face from the outside. Stone and Falcon carry the Campbell-Clark-Coleman stink and thus an easy target for the NDP. Dianne Watts is just another pretty face. She was right, not necessarily good, for Surrey at the time and I did root for her during the Liberal leadership race, but only because I didn’t like the rest. Jas Johal, is an opportunist who won’t make the electorate feel warm and fuzzy.

    Two points to end;
    Most voters this time around were not of age, many not born, during the NDP bogeyman days and any attempt to continue that scare mongering, no longer cuts it.

    A Green in West Van Sea to Sky, is relatively easy to understand, given Howe Sound LNG; raw log exports; keeping the marine ecosystem in regrowth and the younger crowd being concerned with preserving the sheer vastness of nature in the riding. Had the Greens run in Mid Island-Pacific Rim, we might have seen a similar result, though former Tofino Mayor, Josie Osborne is a great choice there.

    (Response: I think you perfectly sum up the feelings/reasoning of many, many British Columbians … even grudgingly, though not happily, understanding that Horgan made the right choice politically holding the election now. The Liberals can only come back if they broaden their appeal with a younger, motivating successful NEW urban leader who has charisma, with whom middle class urban voters in the Lower Mainland and Victoria can identify. It’s a big challenge, but I have no doubt there are more/better out there who can encompass that than Falcon, Johal or even Watts. h.o)

  13. hawgwash says:

    I neglected to add, looking at the riding results, it would seem the Alberta border has been pushed a couple hundred kilometers to the west. With the BC Conservatives in an upward direction, the Liberals are going to have to contend with or co-operate with that crowd. Co-operation will be difficult, with both parties being power hungry.

    Secondly, Brenda Bailey will be a front runner for a small business portfolio after dethroning Sam Sullivan in False Creek

  14. !? says:

    “…safe ways for voting on-line.” ALWAYS hackable & can NEVER be trusted.

    BC Hydro has some big issues with the geology of Site C, and now that the north has rejected the NDP Horgan can swiftly bury that dumpster fire.

    Kevin Falcon running in Vancouver-Quilchena is a sure thing.

    (Response: I have no doubt that a balloting system identifying and attached to each voter, using personal/code info they themselves had provided to Elections Canada could be developed for those who want to use that system instead of going to the polls in person or using mail ins. h.o)

  15. DonGar says:

    Lowest voter turn out ever. So who stayed home and why? Did the NDP count on this?

    (Response: It’s complicated. I believe there were several reasons the turnout was so low: large turnouts often signal dissatisfaction with incumbent administrations (Throw the bums out!); the low turnout in this election could also be attributed to Wilkinson/Liberals failure to impress/motivate for change; there was anger at the election being called early; there was fear of going to the polls during the pandemic; and, many couldn’t or wouldn’t be bothered to fill out the mail in paperwork. h.o)

  16. e.a.f. says:

    A new leader for the B.C. Lieberals? Good luck with that. Those currently sitting as MLA’s were all pretty much part of the “problems” we had in B.C. for 16 yrs and some of that was money laundering, cutting an RCMP unit, not doing too much about the fent. problem etc. Not being a B.C. Lieberal supporter, we still need an opposition party. its part of a democracy. they need a decent leader. Who that will be, who knows. My suggestion would be go outside the current group. Find some one who doesn’t have a nasty track record and that includes Diane Watts. Who ever they choose, they have to be “clean” and care a tad about kids/health/ housing. They need to be some one from this century.

    Why more people didn’t vote? It might be interesting to study who didn’t vote. if it were younger people, then all parties need to learn how to engage them if we are to remain a vibrant democracy.

    It maybe the B.C. Lieberals can’t get their act together and the Conservatives do. If that is the case, well as long as they’re honest and keep their hands out of the cookie jar, they may not win in 2024, but could in 2028. Given the B.C. Lieberals aren’t all that Liberal, they might be able to score a former Conservative M.P. to take over the party. If the right doesn’t get their act together and Ms. F. does, the next election maybe between two left leaning parties. As a “leftie” I’m O.K. with that, but in a democracy we really do need to have a right wing party or just right of center, to give people an option. With out options democracy becomes less and less viable.

    Not all Progessive Conservatives were bad premiers. Peter Lougheed springs to mind and he was Premier of Alberta for about 15 yrs or so. The guy actually knew what he was doing and took care of business. I liked him. Too bad there aren’t more politicians like him out there.

    (Response: Have a look at the election results map of the province: a lot of people voted Liberal, outside of the Lower Mainland and Vancouver Island, so they’re not done yet, by any means. Personally, I think they would do best by looking outside their current or former elected crop of MLAs .. maybe to someone with municipal or even federal experience … but with some charisma that ordinary middle class voters would embrace. h.o)

  17. !? says:

    Quick question: In the US one of the confounding polling factors in 2016 was education – pollsters didn’t account for it correctly, and it seems to explain the apparent discrepancy between their polls & results.

    Was the education level of BC voters a factor here?

    (Response: Haven’t seen anything on that yet: it may take some time, after all the results are in, for analysts to study the demographics of who voted, poll by poll in each riding. h.o)

  18. e.a.f. says:

    Education may play a lesser role in B.C. than the U.S.A. given the U.S.A.’s public schools aren’t all that great especially in areas which are economically deprived or if people of colour live in the area. A great many American children go to private schools, more than Canadian. the Canadian school system is also better, in my opinion.

    the text books used in the U.S.A. are not always the greatest. Much of what is used is determined by Texas–they used to buy the most and so other states followed. Critical thinking isn’t taught in the U.S.A. either. They’re big on teaching American history but world history not so much. As one Canadian kid told his parents when he received a sports scholarship to an American university, he was able to coast on his Canadian education for the first two years in an American college.

    (Response: Having spent a lot of time in the US over my life, I have to conclude Canadians are on average far more knowledgeable about not only the US but also other countries. I think it’s not just their textbooks: it’s also their persistent hammering from an early age the the US is BEST at everything. Of course, no country can be that …and WE seem to recognize that, and I believe have a better society for it. h.o)

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