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	<title>Comments on: NDP Social Engineers &#8230; By Discriminating</title>
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		<title>By: Know Your Communists</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/ndp-social-engineers-by-discriminating/comment-page-1/#comment-3300</link>
		<dc:creator>Know Your Communists</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have always believed a person should be judged/evaluated totally and solely on the basis of their ability, their character and their integrity.  Period!!&quot;

I agree with you.  Sixty years ago this idea was radical. Forty years ago it was liberal. Today it is conservative. The BC NDP has not subscribed to that idea for a very long time, and they have no intention of subscribing to it now or in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have always believed a person should be judged/evaluated totally and solely on the basis of their ability, their character and their integrity.  Period!!&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with you.  Sixty years ago this idea was radical. Forty years ago it was liberal. Today it is conservative. The BC NDP has not subscribed to that idea for a very long time, and they have no intention of subscribing to it now or in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Westcoast Indie News</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/ndp-social-engineers-by-discriminating/comment-page-1/#comment-3085</link>
		<dc:creator>Westcoast Indie News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Harvey, I have to disagree with you on this one. It is NO coincidence so few women get into politics, or succeed - it is still a middle-aged White man&#039;s game, whether that is out front, in candidates running, and that goes double for the backrooms, including the NDP backroom. One thing both the right and the left have in common is that the Old Boys are equally arrogant, insular and out of touch on many levels. 

I wish we lived in a society where we didn&#039;t have to look at increasing diversity through the use of affirmative action, or quotas. I really respect you but it is offensive and intolerable to hear yet another White middle-aged man talking about discrimination. Women, minorities and many other folks have faced discrimination and structural oppression in ways many of us will never understand, especially in the political arena. For the most part, they don&#039;t play the game as dirty, such as stacking nomination meetings, can&#039;t raise the same kind of funds as the big boys and very often are not looked at as being &quot;legitimate&quot; leaders. Think about how many times Carole James has been attacked for not showing &quot;leadership,&quot; not being a strong enough leader, etc. etc. Does this happen to Gordon Campbell, the WORST leader in BC&#039;s history. No, or at least not nearly as much and there isn&#039;t a subtext of gender in criticisms against him.  

Our world is in crisis, it wasn&#039;t caused by women. It is time for more political space to be made for more diverse representation, to even out the playing field and to help bring solutions that are obviously beyond the &quot;leaders&quot; we have had thus far in history. I support the affirmative action plans of the NDP. 

Jenn McGinn is a capable, experienced and committed candidate who your riding would be fortunate to have as a representative in Victoria. I hope you will reconsider your position as Ms. McGinn has the ability, character and integrity you note are the most important things to you, as a voter. It would be a shame to punish Ms. McGinn for your position against her party&#039;s attempts to improve equity and human rights in democracy, which is what this is really about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Harvey, I have to disagree with you on this one. It is NO coincidence so few women get into politics, or succeed &#8211; it is still a middle-aged White man&#8217;s game, whether that is out front, in candidates running, and that goes double for the backrooms, including the NDP backroom. One thing both the right and the left have in common is that the Old Boys are equally arrogant, insular and out of touch on many levels. </p>
<p>I wish we lived in a society where we didn&#8217;t have to look at increasing diversity through the use of affirmative action, or quotas. I really respect you but it is offensive and intolerable to hear yet another White middle-aged man talking about discrimination. Women, minorities and many other folks have faced discrimination and structural oppression in ways many of us will never understand, especially in the political arena. For the most part, they don&#8217;t play the game as dirty, such as stacking nomination meetings, can&#8217;t raise the same kind of funds as the big boys and very often are not looked at as being &#8220;legitimate&#8221; leaders. Think about how many times Carole James has been attacked for not showing &#8220;leadership,&#8221; not being a strong enough leader, etc. etc. Does this happen to Gordon Campbell, the WORST leader in BC&#8217;s history. No, or at least not nearly as much and there isn&#8217;t a subtext of gender in criticisms against him.  </p>
<p>Our world is in crisis, it wasn&#8217;t caused by women. It is time for more political space to be made for more diverse representation, to even out the playing field and to help bring solutions that are obviously beyond the &#8220;leaders&#8221; we have had thus far in history. I support the affirmative action plans of the NDP. </p>
<p>Jenn McGinn is a capable, experienced and committed candidate who your riding would be fortunate to have as a representative in Victoria. I hope you will reconsider your position as Ms. McGinn has the ability, character and integrity you note are the most important things to you, as a voter. It would be a shame to punish Ms. McGinn for your position against her party&#8217;s attempts to improve equity and human rights in democracy, which is what this is really about.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant g</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/ndp-social-engineers-by-discriminating/comment-page-1/#comment-3077</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Harv--I disagree,we have enough middle-aged or older white boys in goverment that have been doing a lousy job and by being nothing but a Campbell shill.
Harv ---You also voted a certain way federally because you never got a interview, now you are going to vote a certain way provincially because of a personell/policy!

I suggest to you and other voters to vote for a party because of policy,honesty  and accountability.

I don`t believe someone should vote a certain way because of red hair,freckles,female,male,gay,black or white.

It`s pretty obvious to anyone who has read your blog that you are willing to ignore policy,platform,integrity,honesty,corruption or anything ! Your priority for voting is a interveiw and or a diffrent nomination procedure!

I sure hope there aren`t many of that type of logic voters out there!

(Response: You&#039;re absolutely right ..but I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m a TYPICAL Canadian voter!  Most of us do not have a particular political philosophy or ideology: we like some of what every major party offers; we also dislike other things from each of the parties: and we end up voting ...by taking a stand on something you may find trivial ... arts funding, personal coldness, language accent, etc ...  but apparently most do not. And I find it interesting that, in every election, the way I vote (if not the exact reason) turns out with the result most other Canadians seem to prefer as well .. wrongly motivated as we are.  ho) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Harv&#8211;I disagree,we have enough middle-aged or older white boys in goverment that have been doing a lousy job and by being nothing but a Campbell shill.<br />
Harv &#8212;You also voted a certain way federally because you never got a interview, now you are going to vote a certain way provincially because of a personell/policy!</p>
<p>I suggest to you and other voters to vote for a party because of policy,honesty  and accountability.</p>
<p>I don`t believe someone should vote a certain way because of red hair,freckles,female,male,gay,black or white.</p>
<p>It`s pretty obvious to anyone who has read your blog that you are willing to ignore policy,platform,integrity,honesty,corruption or anything ! Your priority for voting is a interveiw and or a diffrent nomination procedure!</p>
<p>I sure hope there aren`t many of that type of logic voters out there!</p>
<p>(Response: You&#8217;re absolutely right ..but I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m a TYPICAL Canadian voter!  Most of us do not have a particular political philosophy or ideology: we like some of what every major party offers; we also dislike other things from each of the parties: and we end up voting &#8230;by taking a stand on something you may find trivial &#8230; arts funding, personal coldness, language accent, etc &#8230;  but apparently most do not. And I find it interesting that, in every election, the way I vote (if not the exact reason) turns out with the result most other Canadians seem to prefer as well .. wrongly motivated as we are.  ho)</p>
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