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OK … I’ll Tell You HOW to Vote!

May 5th, 2017 · 47 Comments

(PLEASE NOTE:  All discussions on this blog will be shut down on Election Day.  Hope everyone goes out to vote. Remember, YOU will live with the result for four years!  h.o)

 

Bet that headline caught your attention!  May have even raised your blood pressure!   The NERVE of HO to tell YOU who to vote for!!!!

But read it carefully: I did not say I’d tell you WHO to vote for … but HOW to vote.

This is really a difficult election for many of us.

It’s easy for those who are blindly partisan, have a deep personal or financial interest in the outcome, or just can’t stand a particular leader. Literally a no brainer for them.

However for the 20 too 40 per cent of us who have voted for any of the parties in the past and, under are uncommitted,  deciding how to vote this election seems to be more difficult than ever.

And yet, it’s OUR vote … by the undecided … that will ultimately determine the outcome!!

What power we have!

However, in my view, NONE of the party leaders have been particularly believable, totally open or offered any compelling, stimulating vision of any greatness ahead.

So HOW do we decide?

I’ll tell you.

This time, more than ever before, READ each party’s platform to see (although there’s of course no guarantee) at least WHAT actual ideas. spending and financial revenue changes they are planning, proposing and promising … enough to put on paper.

Here are the links:

Liberals:  https://www.bcliberals.com/platform/.

NDP: https://www.bcndp.ca/platform.

Greens: http://www.bcgreens.ca/platform.

You will be better informed … and likely surprised or even AMUSED  by some of the ideas in the platforms that have not received a good deal of public attention, but could REALLY impact your lifestyle and your taxes.

Another resource I would recommend:  The Vancouver Sun’s canvass of the three major parties on “20 Hot Topics” ….  very easy way to see the differences between the parties:  http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/b-c-election-2017-20-hot-topics.

Don’t say they didn’t tell you!

Harv Oberfeld

 

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47 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Hawgwash // May 5, 2017 at 8:07 am

    Talk about taking folks by the hand; providing Party links is a great service, Harvey.

    Trouble is, few will go there.

    So many undecided voters don’t take the time to come here or visit any, of the scores, of independent sites like yours.

    Interesting the NDP has not seized upon Weaver’s declaration that he would consider accepting a position in a Liberal Government.

    A Dix moment, if ever I saw one.

    (Response: Actually, it can be quite fun to read the platforms…all of each People should look at each proposal, promise and ask themselves: What would his cost? How would it impact ME? How would it impact BC, BC jobs, BC economy, BC society? How bureaucratic wold it be? Is it really a good idea for public policy in the long term? And then remember ….the title of this bog is Keeping it Real. h.o)

  • 2 Steve Cooley // May 5, 2017 at 8:28 am

    For those of us who look for summaries of the platforms of BCs political parties, the Tyee posted their summary yesterday, May 4. This summary is several different .pdf pages.

  • 3 Hawgwash // May 5, 2017 at 8:28 am

    Problem is, history has shown, platforms have no resemblance to governance.

    Can you say HST?

  • 4 Gene The Bean // May 5, 2017 at 8:44 am

    Just perused the Global BC online “news” articles.

    Christy has her smug mug prominently displayed on seven stories…… just a coincidence, I am sure…..

  • 5 Gary T. // May 5, 2017 at 9:18 am

    Remember Campbell , and his HST is not on the radar ? Well this time, it is Christy, and her there will be no VAT. If you are undecided, think very carefully on this one please. The Liberals say that the NDP will hide MSP premiums in income tax. Well golly gee Christy, that is exactly where the other provinces ” hid ” their MSP premiums, and people are fine with it as it is a much fairer way to collect them. The Liberals are so obsessed with keeping taxes unnaturally low, and making up the difference in user fees, that soon we will have to plug a loonie into a meter just to get out of bed.

  • 6 G. Barry Stewart // May 5, 2017 at 10:29 am

    Anyone who wants a verbal explanation of the “Advantage BC” tax rebate scam, visit
    http://www.iheartradio.ca/cfax-1070/shows/on-air-with-pamela-mccall-1.1821748

    Click on: Legally Speaking with Michael Mulligan of Mulligan, Tam and Pearson

    Maybe THAT will help voters in their decision to run away from the BC Liberals, on or before May 9.

    I hope prison time will follow, though it won’t if Christy is returned to power.

  • 7 D. M. Johnston // May 5, 2017 at 11:45 am

    I am off to vote, with my son at the advance poll.

    Living in Tsawwassen, I have a fourth option and that is, I am voting independent.

    We had an excellent independent MLA in Delta South before and I am voting again, for a “party” outsider.

    Fact is, Viki Huntington got a lot more for her constituents than the Liberal disappointment before.

    As Rafe Mair has been quoted, “Party” backbenchers are nobodies and do as they are told by the Premier, via the party whip.

    The so called whip for an independent MLA or MP is the constituents.

    Works for me.

  • 8 13 // May 5, 2017 at 12:04 pm

    I’m sorry Harvey but you undecideds are pretty dependant on us blindly partisan rrobot voters. He’ll without the decided how could they do an accurate poll

  • 9 ISLAND LOOKOUT // May 5, 2017 at 1:06 pm

    WE’RE COUNTING ON YOUR VOTE…

    …to make the right decision for BC on May 9.

    What is the right decision?

    It is the one where your pocket book will suffer the least theft from government. To ensure that persists after the election, you must demand regular fiscal accountability.

    So, which government will plunder you the least in 2017?

    The one which has gone “easier” on your wallet in the past as compared to others you may have mistakenly voted for and felt gyped after.

    The rule of thumb is:

    -A right-leaning government has been “best” for tax payers.

    -Left-leaning governments worse.

    IN THE BEGINNING…

    The history of post WW2 BC politics is the story of Right vs Left, spending restraint vs spending too much and set the template for what has followed.

    The process began in very serious fashion with WAC Bennett’s brand new Socred government (coalition) in 1952.

    It was a minority administration which Bennett purposely blew up in 1953 because he wanted to build BC and needed a majority.

    He got one in the election a few weeks later, a powerful right-wing coalition.

    In response the “other side” (CCF/NDP) on the political left began its opposition response.

    It found fertile fields from those who complained they were being “left behind” by the WAC Socreds and their greedy corporate buddies. These folks demanded more welfare and other new social programs.

    Eventually the NDP won and after its 1972 victory the “tax and spend” template came into full force.

    So, here we are in 2017 and what, pray-tell has changed?

    Not much.

    I voted for the Liberals in the advanced poll days ago.

    Why?

    Because an NDP government will pillage me and I don’t want them too.

    I have a long memory, of both left-wing BC and federal governments taxing me way too much for my liking.

    I know that the Christy Clark government cannot be “all things to all people.” It can’t and won’t, so get over it, please.

    In the coming years, understand that living costs will NEVER stop increasing.

    As I’ve written here before the government that increeases your costs the least is the one you should vote for.

    And yes, MSP, and various other imposts, of which we are all too familiar, are taxes.

    But some imposts are also consumer- driven instead of legislatively so (aka income taxes).

    In other words you still have fiscal choices in this life to make for yourself and loved ones.

  • 10 Hawgwash // May 5, 2017 at 1:06 pm

    G Barry;
    Good grief.
    Why are we only hearing about this now and why does it take an ordinary citizen to shine the light.

    Thank you…I think.

  • 11 Scotty on Denman // May 5, 2017 at 3:08 pm

    The platforms are all good news. One might as well play pin the tail on the donkey, or flip a coin.

    What I’ll do is assess the dynamic, not the claims: the most corrupt party got even more corrupt with every re-election, so it’s time to stop it. Voting for the party with the least chance of winning a majority does not get it done.

    There, so simple.

    (Response: I still want to know where/how ANY of them are going to “ding” me with their “real” plan if elected. h.o)

  • 12 Diverdarren // May 5, 2017 at 4:04 pm

    Harvey, talking to my “undecided” friends, I think what they are truly undecided about is whether to vote their conscious or strategically vote.

    I just don’t think many are wondering to themselves, am I right wing or left wing.

    It’s a certainty that the people that post on your blog don’t have any confusion about where they stand.

    (Response: Seems to me many have decided they don’t like Clark/Liberals anymore … but are also undecided on whether to vote NDP or stick with the devil they know. h.o)

  • 13 Gene The Bean // May 5, 2017 at 6:48 pm

    “The rule of thumb is:
    -A right-leaning government has been “best” for tax payers.
    -Left-leaning governments worse.”

    I actually laughed out loud when I read this…..

    PS: If I’m not mistaken, taxpayers, pay Hydro, Gas, Transit, Medical, ICBC, bridge tolls etc etc etc too….

    Still preaching to the grade nine audience …. what’s next – talk about immigration and ‘brown terrorists’ ?

    Laughable.

  • 14 Ron // May 5, 2017 at 7:12 pm

    Coming to a province near you: Credit Unions in BC, along with the BC gov’t, are changing their coverage of their accounts from $1 million to $100,000 in the guise to take their CUs across Canada and to limit their exposure to the fallout of the coming housing crash as they are dis-proportionally exposed to the mortgages.
    With the change, they are also going to issue shares on stock exchanges and be bought and sold.
    This has happened in Australia and has left its members without the say and share in the profits when they get sold (http://cufutures.ca/2017/04/10/coast-capital-sales-culture/).
    Well, I had the pleasure of attending Coast Capital Credit Union’s (BC) Annual General Meeting to see how the vote was to take Coast Capital federal. What an eye opener!
    Members supposedly voted 86.4% in favour!!!!!!!! I have to temper that with the fact that there wasn’t an independent auditor watching over the vote, just one of their Directors, hahaha.
    Found out that Coast Capital hired ex-BC Hydro lawyer David Avren as General Counsel and Corporate Secretary, a couple months ago, just before Coast dreamed up this vote to take it federal. What a co-inky-dink, eh? They hired a guy who made legal compliance non-existent at BC Hydro from 2000 on, when the Lieberals first got elected in BC.
    BC residents know all to well where BC Hydro has gone from then, with rates up exponentially and a debt north of $100 billion with future Independent Power Projects contracts included at ~$60 billion (buying it from IPPs at $100 per Mw/h, while selling it for $30/Mw/h on the market).
    Since 2002 BC Hydro paid independent power producers $9 billion. Here’s the kicker: Once the contracts with BC Hydro expire, privately-owned IPPs wills be allowed free export of electricity on Hydro’s lines, which could negatively impair BC’s energy resources. They are also paying about $55-million a year to ensure emergency power is available if needed.

    Another coincidence is most of these IPPs have former Liberal MLAs-Ministers and insiders at top positions in these companies. Hydro paid $672 million!!! over market price in 2015 alone (http://northerninsights.blogspot.ca/2016/02/ipp-paid-672-million-over-market-in-2015.html+ https://in-sights.ca/, https://www.biv.com/article/2017/3/bc-racks-58-billion-independent-power-producers-co/). BC Hydro themselves state they are losing $1.4 billion in IPP power because of overbuilding and oversupply.

    Guess who was involved in the set-up of these deals since he has worked there since 2000, none other than Mr. Avren!
    I can’t get my money out of them fast enough, if their cheques will clear, hehe.
    They also hired Bruce Schouten as Chief Risk Officer from OSFI (Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions) one of the completely useless orgs. that oversee banking in Canada, I’m guessing to “help” Mr. Avren keep Coast legally compliant by using/changing the rules to undermine policy, just like at BC Hydro.
    And who do I see at the AGM but none other than Tamara Vrooman, who is CEO of Vancity CU and also former insider of former BC Premier Gordon Campbell (Greedo (Guido)-get the reference). I’ve never saw another CU’s CEO show up at any other AGM – really important for her to show up. I guess she’s there to make sure she gets the questions ahead of time when Vancity goes the same route (and of course report back to Guido Scambell, Crusty and their bankster mafia).

  • 15 Jay Jones // May 5, 2017 at 7:43 pm

    A trillion dollar prosperity fund for all of you!
    More toys for all of you!

    Your world-class province needs another dam!
    Your elementary school needs another slide!

    Your world-class province needs more jobs!
    Your elementary school needs more candy!

    We’ll protect you from the big bully next door!
    We’ll protect you from the big high school kids down the road!

    Yawn.

  • 16 Crankypants // May 6, 2017 at 12:15 am

    According to the editorial board of the Globe & Mail one is supposed to hold one’s nose while exercising one’s franchise if one is voting for the
    incumbent party. It sounds a little tricky to me unless one has three hands. One to hold the ballot, one to hold the pencil and one to hold the proboscis.

  • 17 DBW // May 6, 2017 at 12:27 am

    In 2001, I thought the NDP needed a reset. In retrospect they probably weren’t as bad as we were led to believe but after eight years and a bunch of missteps, it was time for a change. In 1983 a friend ran as a Liberal (when the Liberals were actually liberal) and I had fun supporting him.

    Federally, I supported the Liberals during the ’90s after Jim Fulton retired and before Nathan Cullen showed up because they had a better candidate and a better chance of knocking off the incumbent Reformer (they didn’t).

    Other than that I have supported the NDP. And in all of those elections I have never felt torn about my decision.

    Rightly or wrongly, I believe the philosophy behind the NDP platform more closely aligns with my philosophy. That has been borne out every time I do vote compass or something similar.

    What I don’t consider is how the platforms necessarily affect me personally. I think day care is important not because I need it (my kids are grown and I have no grandchildren) but because I think it important for our society. If my taxes go up that is the price I am willing to pay to improve our society.

    I am not saying I am right or wrong here just explaining.

    My other motivation and this is where I get more emotionally wound is when I feel the democratic process is at risk.

    Sure I have wanted to see my party win but obviously as an NDP supporter, I don’t usually have that luxury, but there are certain times when I really believe a government has to go.

    I didn’t wring my hands when Trudeau Sr or Mulroney or Chretien or even Harper at the beginning were elected. I didn’t boo hoo all that much when Bennett Jr won but in 1986 I really felt that the Socreds under new leader VanderZalm shouldn’t have won and was immensely relieved when they lost in ’91. As mentioned I felt that the NDP needed a reset in 2001. I really believed that Harper in 2015 had to go. And I really believed that the Clark led Liberals in 2013 and obviously even more so this election are not deserving re-election.

    It is more than just what a government can or will do. Sometimes we just have to tell a government it is time to go.

    When we are talking about a government like this

    http://www.news1130.com/…/will-money-arrogance-cost…/

    then there is no choice but to vote them out.

    If the alternative turns out no better then we vote them out in four years. But rewarding bad behaviour will never make things better.

  • 18 nonconfidencevote // May 6, 2017 at 5:45 am

    @#9Island Lookout
    “I have a long memory, of both left-wing BC and federal governments taxing me way too much for my liking….”
    *******

    I’d say you memeory is selective.

    Apparently successive Liberal govts that spend well beyond their fiscal taxation reach is ok.
    I wouldnt consider Hydro, ICBC, MSP , etc etc etc rates increasing well beyond the rate of inflation or the cost of living “responsible govt.”

    Clark will say ANYTHING to get re-elected and she has.

    I voted for the NDP just to get rid of HER. Nothing more

  • 19 BMCQ // May 6, 2017 at 8:34 am

    Harvey

    I would like to take this opportunity to THANKYOU very much for your dedication, efforts, insights, and PATIENCE during this 2017 Provincial Campaign.

    I am quite sure the Blog is a labour of Love for you but just the same we all know it takes up a lot of your time and I am positive ALL that Post and Read here respect what you do for us very much.

    What you provide the Public out here in the Blogosphere is a Very Important “Public Service”!

    I for one Applaud you!

    I am deeply saddened that we cannot arrange a Fully Indexed and Benefitted B.C. Public Sector Union Pension for you!

    Just the same, Please take a Bow!

    (Response: Take a bow? With my OLD bad back, aching joints??? Just kidding… thanks. I believe we’ve had a very good exchange of ideas throughout the campaign: The discussion on the blog has matured quite a lot! And even keeping it all on topic is a little easier …most of the time.
    For what it is worth, I have checked out April’s Keeping it Real figures and even though, to conserve my personal time (I now try to limit my blogs to no more than twice a week, ie only 8 in April) I was amazed to learn there were more than 59,600 visits to the site during the month!!! And 477,000 hits! Not a bad hobby! :)
    Of course, I wish more people would enter the discussions…especially those who AGREE with me .. LOL… but clearly a fairly large group of people interested in and/or involved in politics/government/society are watching, retweeting, sending Keeping it Real links to others …and hopefully everyone is learning and thinking a lot more …which is GREAT! h.o)

  • 20 Keith E. // May 6, 2017 at 8:41 am

    Gene The Bean #13.

    “The rule of thumb is:
    -A right-leaning government has been “best” for tax payers.
    -Left-leaning governments worse.”

    A perfect example of right leaning fiscal acumen,

    http://www.timescolonist.com/news/b-c/massey-tunnel-replacement-financing-costs-to-total-8-billion-document-1.18540503

  • 21 r // May 6, 2017 at 8:56 am

    Voting for a party that wants a 8 billion ,your ,tax dollar (8000M)Massey bridge.?
    port mann/ golden ears.Both over budget/underperforming.?
    watch BCHydro/ ICBC go up after May.your beer and wine has already.

    https://blogborgcollective.blogspot.ca/2017/05/the-port-mann-bridge-was-doomed-to-fail.html

  • 22 Gene The Bean // May 6, 2017 at 9:26 am

    #17
    “What I don’t consider is how the platforms necessarily affect me personally. I think day care is important not because I need it (my kids are grown and I have no grandchildren) but because I think it important for our society. If my taxes go up that is the price I am willing to pay to improve our society.”

    Thank you. So nice to hear from like minded people that actually care about everyone and not just themselves.

    … and even better was this comment … “But rewarding bad behaviour will never make things better.”…. holds true for training a dog, raising kids or electing a government.

    Well done.

  • 23 13 // May 6, 2017 at 10:56 am

    It is painfully obvious that most on this blog have no intention of changing their mind on which ideology they will support on election day. Some might even try to hide their feelings with the “hold your nose” bs. So it seems that if only Keeping it Real bloggers were voting we would end up with an NDP majority.
    Thankfully others besides us regulars get to vote. My guess is that it will be a Liberal majority and that the greens will definitely play a roll in the outcome.

    (Response: One thing I have observed, both in Canada and the US, the blogosphere/internet discussions have a heavy “left” perspective, while talk radio has a heavier “right” perspective. Perhaps it’s a generational thing; or social activism phenomenon. I have no way of determining the ideologies of the large number who read this blog, but I suspect they reflect a broader range than we see in those who actually write in. h.o)

  • 24 ISLAND LOOKOUT // May 6, 2017 at 12:13 pm

    #13 and #18

    DEADLINE APPROACHETH

    At this late stage in the campaign every leadership candidate is saying what each one thinks will win him or her the big prize.

    The job now is for those who’ve yet to cast their votes, to cast their votes!

    Go ahead, do it.

    We’ll await the outcome on Tuesday/Wednesday next.

    As for taxes, and so on #13 and #18 the number of imposts is depressing. We’ve been paying them for decades and they keep going up in price!

    Why is that?

    Because of inflation and public demand for more and more government services…and all of them for free!!

    Nothing is free in this world: whether income tax rates, Hydro, ICBC, MSP, property taxes, and the list is damn well endless, one day the average tax payer will simply explode and say…Enough is Enough already!

    When will that day come?

    Sooner than we think

  • 25 Marge // May 6, 2017 at 1:59 pm

    Loved the article in the Metro newspaper. $140 million dollars from the Tax Advantage programme headed by Island Lookout’s favorite Liberal Colin Hansen. it worked out to $1000000 per job created (122 listed). And taxpayers funded this boondoggle. Included also was the fact that some of the money went to a money laundering company that the US is interested in. And Island Lookout believes that the Fiberals are the best party for us. LOL at him.

  • 26 Harry Lawson // May 6, 2017 at 2:35 pm

    Harvey

    Platforms are always a good read however actions and accountability ( or lack of ) is just as important. In many ways I hope we have a minority situation. I still feel politically homeless.

  • 27 ISLAND LOOKOUT // May 6, 2017 at 5:00 pm

    REALLY????

    Hey, Marge, listen up here:

    Advantage BC has been around since the 1980s.

    It was in business under the apparently-perfect NDP era of the 1990s.

    BTW, if the NDP was so damned perfect back then, why did the party get reduced to two seats in the legislature? Just askin’.

    BUT I DIGRESS

    As for Advantage BC, Colin Hansen is a perfectly honourable chap and would take great umbrage at your amazingly ignorance repost. Tidy it up a bit OK?

    Go to Advantage BC’s website and check it out.

    It is an integral part of a complex trade network around the Pacific Rim. It hobnobs with China, Japan, South Korea, and so on. Without it a lot of business would not be coming our way.

    If changes or “improvements” are needed then those should happen. People at higher pay scales than mine will have to deal with that. A Horgan government will NOT abolish it. No way. Will not happen.

    POT AND BLACK

    The New York Times reporter, while he had every right to write that trash, should maybe report on the unbelievable cunning and virulent corruption that permeates throughout the troubled American Empire.

    The New York Times whose financial condition ain’t what it used to be, thanks to information technological changes, had to sell its grandiose skyscraper in downtown NYC for cheaper digs just down the street.

    It also picked up a lot of public dross from the way it covered last year’s US elections.

    Not good.

    Pot calling the kettle black and all that sort of thing.

  • 28 Marge // May 6, 2017 at 8:04 pm

    @Island But shouldn’t your favorite party have cleaned it up since it is such an honorable one? LOL…..I will bet you won’t be around this blog the minute after the election results are called….Strange that you write and write and write to support a party like Clark’s…. don’t you have any honor or conscience left?

    Also why is a Pattison owned paper reporting this???? Especially when Pattison you’d think would support Clark????

  • 29 Marge // May 6, 2017 at 8:10 pm

    Even the CBC is getting in on the action:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-td-bank-tax-refund-1.4100507

    Can hardly wait for a real RCMP investigation of this mess…..

    And it says the SoCreds (Liberals by another name) started it all so you’re wrong again Island Liberal trying to foist on the NDP. Isn’t that part of the fake news you guys like?

  • 30 Marge // May 6, 2017 at 8:15 pm

    If Island Liberal missed the Metro article here you go:

    http://www.metronews.ca/news/vancouver/2017/05/04/people-are-angry-bc-react-to-new-york-times-expose.html

  • 31 nonconfidencevote // May 7, 2017 at 6:59 am

    @ Island Lookout
    Sooooo.
    The venerated New York Times publishes a critical and scathing inditement of the political sleaze permeating all levels of the Liberal govt and the best you can do is denigrate their subcription lists and new address?
    Please.
    Newsflash old bean.
    Broadsheet newspapers are failing worldwide and only a few of them may survive. We should count ourselves lucky if the New York Times was the last one standing.
    Or would you prefer the same pro Liberal claptrap shovelled at us from BC Govt advertisement fishwrappers?
    No.
    If the Liberals go down in flames its ALL their own doing. Grotesquely overbudget on most mega projects, multiyear contracts that are “off the books”, $50,000.00 per year CASH “top ups” for the Premier because $200,000.00 a year salary isnt enough to survive on.
    A 15 year legal battle that cost the taxpayers of this province millions and when the Teachers won….Clark spins it as a “renegotiation”.
    The Leader of the Liberals is the main reason I have voted NDP.
    Her ability to stare at the camera and smile wwhile lying is breathtaking in its audacity
    She will say and do anything for a vote.
    I think her visit to the ironically named “Cache Creek” in the waning days of her election campaign shakein’ hands with the volunteers and smilin’ at the camera AS THE LOCAL RESCUE PEOPLE WERE BEING ASKED ABOUT THE SEARCH FOR THE DEAD FIRE CHIEF was a new low in her repertoire of tasteless, ghoulish( promoting herself at Bill Bennets funeral eulogy was kinda tacky too dontcha think ?), low level stunts for that necessary vote.
    No I dont have to call a pot or kettle black.

    I’ve seen Christy Clark’s heart and its a darker shade of black than the black in the deepest coal mine owned by one of her campaign contributors.
    She disgusts me and hopefully a majority of voters on Tuesday.

  • 32 Hugh // May 7, 2017 at 8:07 am

    Thanks to the BC Liberals, BC now has over $170 billion in debt and Government Contractual Obligations.

    Only the truly stupid and/or ignorant would vote for more of that.

  • 33 Gene The Bean // May 7, 2017 at 8:39 am

    Response to #23
    ” One thing I have observed, both in Canada and the US, the blogosphere/internet discussions have a heavy “left” perspective, while talk radio has a heavier “right” perspective.”

    My take on that as some have pointed out here, progressive thinkers (the left) truly care and want to help. They are passionate and take the time and effort to contribute to society.

    The rabid right are just ‘takers’ and prefer not to contribute or even bring any notice to themselves. That’s why they don’t contribute in the blogosphere and would rather sit of the sofa and just listen – it is “easier”. I’m sure the fact that most on the ‘right’ couldn’t pass a grade nine entry exam has something to do with it too but that’s a topic for another day.

    (Response: Not sure that holds up on talk radio …where it still exists. The callers are almost all right wing (so are the hosts) and just to get on, they sometimes spend an hour “on hold” just to get on and rant …. not silent by any means , and I suppose they feel they are “contributing” as well. And frankly, in the US, I believe their almost 24 hours as day, seven days a week , year after year efforts played a large part in Trump’s rise. h.o)

  • 34 Keith E. // May 7, 2017 at 8:40 am

    Hi Harvey, your response to 13’s comment (#23) regarding left leaning blogs and commenters et.al. foe me brings up an interesting dynamic.

    The local blogs and those that comment on them one could assume do have a left lean, but for 16 years we have had a provincial government that has let their donor$ for a large part set government policy ( which I’ve experienced first hand) then use B.C. and it’s citizens as an unrestricted ATM machine to the detriment of those citizens. Don’t have to be a genius to find that info. if you really wanted to see what some choose not to.

    I believe it’s not so much a case of lefties wanting a socialist nirvana as some of your regulars espouse, but decent people that believe in honesty and ethics wanting the same from their government, no matter what label is attached to them. With the same government that has provided a target rich environment of sleaze and deception, if we get an NDP government I believe that many of the same folks critical of the present bunch will be just as critical if a new government carries out business as usual.

    (Response: Interesting points. As someone who has voted NDP (as well as Lib, Green, Conservative and fed Liberal) in the past, I understand that not all their supporters want ‘a socialist nirvana”. But I believe it’s also clear …. since they have been elected to majority government over and over …. the voters see the Libs as more than”a provincial government that has let their donor$ for a large part set government policy.” The answer to be provided Tuesday is whether the voters have had enough, want change, or feel with all their faults, the Libs are still better for Bc than the NDP or Greens. h.o)

  • 35 Gary T. // May 7, 2017 at 10:23 am

    @ NCV # 31…..Well said, and an apt description of princess photo op.

  • 36 noneck // May 7, 2017 at 11:35 am

    IO at #27 writes:

    “Colin Hansen is a perfectly honourable chap”.

    Is this the same Hansen of HST fame?

    LOL. Very honourable.

  • 37 r // May 7, 2017 at 11:37 am

    7 min not 7 sec,
    BC opinion video

    http://thebreaker.news/opinion/heed-speaks-part2/

  • 38 13 // May 7, 2017 at 11:59 am

    Harvey , I just want to echo BMCQs thank you at #19. Your efforts add a lot to the discussion on both sides of the aisle .
    You have if Im not mistaken gone public with where your X ended up in other elections. Will we get to see where this X ends up?

    (Response: Thanks. Never before the vote: I like to engender good discussion without telling people who to vote for…that’s their decision, based on their own perspectives and experiences. Even after, I don’t often ask others to say or say myself which candidate/party I voted for in any specific election … except to say I have voted for every major party… but if at some time someone feels it is RELEVANT in any specific discussion, they (and I) can do so. h.o)

  • 39 D. M. Johnston // May 7, 2017 at 8:29 pm

    And now for something completely different.

    While doing garage sales Saturday morning, there is a house in Tsawwassen sporting “vote Bill Van der Zalm” signs and “Bring back Bill Van der Zalm”!

    (Response: Hmm! One memory about Van der Zalm, even during some difficult times, I always found him personally fairly easy to deal with. h.o.)

  • 40 Crankypants // May 8, 2017 at 10:28 am

    My totally unscientific observation.

    The Green Party professes to be a contender to the point of possibly becoming a balance of power. There’s nothing wrong with aiming high but shouldn’t they at least do some advertising? I do not recall seeing any Green ads on television or hearing any on the radio.

    In my riding of Coquitlam-Maillardville I have received numerous phone calls from both the Liberals and NDP but nothing from the Green candidate.

    Seems to be a strange way of running a campaign.

  • 41 r // May 8, 2017 at 10:35 am

    you will vote green.split the vote and win,maybe, a few seats and liberals will get in.?congrats.just like 2013.?

    48.27.25

  • 42 212Degrees // May 8, 2017 at 12:05 pm

    Here is a novel idea. Do away with platforms from parties that are in power. They have had their chance to prove themselves. Use the performance and accomplishments from the party that won the last election to decide your vote in any upcoming election. Based on that method, Ms. Clark should not be allowed anywhere near the premiers office again since very little was accomplished for the average citizen. The waste of tax payers money, many political scandals and questionable moral decisions should also be taken into consideration.. It is only in retrospect and based on track records that parties can be held to account and judged in order to win your support. Parties that want to gain power get to make promises and have a platform but they too will be held accountable in the following election. In other words, as others have pointed out; election promises are meaningless and are only useful to provide validation and confidence to whoever wins the contest and only with the passage of time to the next election. At that time, they too will be judged on their record and accomplishments just like the government that they defeated.

  • 43 G. Barry Stewart // May 8, 2017 at 3:16 pm

    Laila Yuile has been promoting the “Vote for Change” angle through the campaign and has now announced that she has voted for the NDP.

    Here’s her story: https://lailayuile.com/2017/05/08/bc-election-2017-wrap-up-just-vote-please-just-damn-well-vote/

  • 44 G. Barry Stewart // May 8, 2017 at 3:23 pm

    And Norm Farrell (currently though travelling in Spain) has posted his piece, contending the BC Liberals are using data-mining to manipulate the vote. They certainly have the money to pull that off.

    If you want to end Big Money in BC politics, the NDP have six times tried to introduce legislation banning it. Understandably, the BC Liberals have seen no need to change the playing field.

  • 45 G. Barry Stewart // May 8, 2017 at 3:25 pm

    Sorry… Farrell link:

    https://in-sights.ca/2017/05/07/democracy-doesnt-die-of-natural-causes/

  • 46 RP // May 8, 2017 at 7:13 pm

    Here I sit on the eve of the BC election and I have done my homework as I believe all BC’er should do but likely don’t have the time or inclination. Hopefully everyone will get out and vote as this could be one of the most important election we experience. At the top of my reasons to vote NDP tomorrow is really a report card on the Liberals…..A+ for corruption, mismanagement of provincial finances and irresponsibility in decisions made in Education, Health Care and the Environment. A++ for the Liberal policies towards “cheating” the people of BC on affordability of housing, treatment of the disabled, lack of leadership……oh hell, I could go on and on and on. I am so tired of the grinning face of the current premier and her half baked garble on how well the economy is doing and her jobs, jobs jobs alternative facts.
    I fear that if the current premier and her sheep win a majority, or a minority with the Green Party in toll licking at her heals, we will see the same style of governance and likely MORE so then we have experienced since 2001. This current government spins everything to make the golden girl seem so wonderful. I sure hope the electorate puts down their iPod, iPads, cell phones, smart phones long enough to vote…..and I say VOTE NDP!!!!,

  • 47 Eldon // May 8, 2017 at 9:52 pm

    I love this blog, but I want to say how much I’ve missed Alex Tsakumis during this campaign. I wish he’d return to torment Clark again.