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		<title>By: Wilson</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/playing-the-poor-like-pawns/comment-page-1/#comment-64117</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damned straight Oberfeld and good on ya for calling it how it is. !   You can dump cash into the Olympics or you can dump more cash into the Hasting Street social experiment. Either way your blowing massive amounts of our cash on a small segment of the population where you will get squat for results.   At least with the Olympics you get a happy meal and medal to go with that.

P.S.  reading the comments you get a ton of commies on this site.  Love it.

(Response: I would love to have more response from the right ... but they don&#039;t need this blog ...they have a much wider audience on CKNW,  Canwest&#039;s newspapers etc which speak for them.  h.o.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damned straight Oberfeld and good on ya for calling it how it is. !   You can dump cash into the Olympics or you can dump more cash into the Hasting Street social experiment. Either way your blowing massive amounts of our cash on a small segment of the population where you will get squat for results.   At least with the Olympics you get a happy meal and medal to go with that.</p>
<p>P.S.  reading the comments you get a ton of commies on this site.  Love it.</p>
<p>(Response: I would love to have more response from the right &#8230; but they don&#8217;t need this blog &#8230;they have a much wider audience on CKNW,  Canwest&#8217;s newspapers etc which speak for them.  h.o.)</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/playing-the-poor-like-pawns/comment-page-1/#comment-64090</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 21:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A solid idea crankypants, much like bussing the poor to attend New Years levies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A solid idea crankypants, much like bussing the poor to attend New Years levies.</p>
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		<title>By: A Dave</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/playing-the-poor-like-pawns/comment-page-1/#comment-64089</link>
		<dc:creator>A Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 19:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harvey, I don&#039;t necessarily disagree with your criticism of Pivot, but it seems to me that when VANOC won the bid they made an agreement called The Inner City Inclusive Committment. Essentially, the Olympics were going to be used as a springboard to addressing some of the main issues of the DTES. Instead of embarrassing VANOC, millions were thrown their way, and what exactly was acheived? Which committments did they meet? Well here are some (not all) of the key committments they made. 

I say embarrass the hell out of them for their failure to deliver on virtually all of their committments! Shame on them!

But you be the judge:

Business Development
- Develop opportunities for existing and emerging local inner-city businesses and artisans to promote their goods and services

Civil Liberties
- Provide for lawful, democratic protest that is protected by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms
- Commit to a timely public consultation that is accessible to inner-city neighbourhoods,
before any security legislation or regulations are finalized, subject to lawful and legitimate confidentiality requirements

Employment
- Create training and a continuum of short and long-term employment opportunities for innercity residents to encourage a net increase in employment

Financial 
- Provide disclosure of all financial aspects of the Games, including expenditures and
revenues, in the bidding and organizing phase of the Games
- Commit to a comprehensive annual financial audit

Health
- Showcase a commitment to public health issues, including a comprehensive alcohol and drug strategy

Housing
- Ensure people are not made homeless as a result of the Winter Games
- Ensure residents are not involuntarily displaced, evicted or face unreasonable increases in rent due to the Winter Games
- Provide an affordable housing legacy and start planning now

Input to Decision-Making
- Work with and be accessible to an independent watchdog group that includes inner-city
residents
- Develop full and accountable public consultation processes that include inner-city residents

(Response: Terrific points ..and I have no problem with Pivot and other groups raising the issues every day with the various governments or VANOC .  But don&#039;t use/exploit the homeless themselves, gathering them up and stage directing them into bright red tents ... using them as bit players for some giant Olympc photo op. h.o.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harvey, I don&#8217;t necessarily disagree with your criticism of Pivot, but it seems to me that when VANOC won the bid they made an agreement called The Inner City Inclusive Committment. Essentially, the Olympics were going to be used as a springboard to addressing some of the main issues of the DTES. Instead of embarrassing VANOC, millions were thrown their way, and what exactly was acheived? Which committments did they meet? Well here are some (not all) of the key committments they made. </p>
<p>I say embarrass the hell out of them for their failure to deliver on virtually all of their committments! Shame on them!</p>
<p>But you be the judge:</p>
<p>Business Development<br />
- Develop opportunities for existing and emerging local inner-city businesses and artisans to promote their goods and services</p>
<p>Civil Liberties<br />
- Provide for lawful, democratic protest that is protected by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms<br />
- Commit to a timely public consultation that is accessible to inner-city neighbourhoods,<br />
before any security legislation or regulations are finalized, subject to lawful and legitimate confidentiality requirements</p>
<p>Employment<br />
- Create training and a continuum of short and long-term employment opportunities for innercity residents to encourage a net increase in employment</p>
<p>Financial<br />
- Provide disclosure of all financial aspects of the Games, including expenditures and<br />
revenues, in the bidding and organizing phase of the Games<br />
- Commit to a comprehensive annual financial audit</p>
<p>Health<br />
- Showcase a commitment to public health issues, including a comprehensive alcohol and drug strategy</p>
<p>Housing<br />
- Ensure people are not made homeless as a result of the Winter Games<br />
- Ensure residents are not involuntarily displaced, evicted or face unreasonable increases in rent due to the Winter Games<br />
- Provide an affordable housing legacy and start planning now</p>
<p>Input to Decision-Making<br />
- Work with and be accessible to an independent watchdog group that includes inner-city<br />
residents<br />
- Develop full and accountable public consultation processes that include inner-city residents</p>
<p>(Response: Terrific points ..and I have no problem with Pivot and other groups raising the issues every day with the various governments or VANOC .  But don&#8217;t use/exploit the homeless themselves, gathering them up and stage directing them into bright red tents &#8230; using them as bit players for some giant Olympc photo op. h.o.)</p>
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		<title>By: Crankypants</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/playing-the-poor-like-pawns/comment-page-1/#comment-64088</link>
		<dc:creator>Crankypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 08:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There may be a better way for Pivot to get their message out to both the government and the world.  We have been bombarded by the media pointing out that there will be all kinds of &quot;FREE&quot;(a questionable assertion as someone had to foot the cost) things to attend.  The only reason that the MSM has been advertising these &quot;FREE&quot; events is to assuage the commoners that can&#039;t afford to buy tickets to any real olympic events.  Sorry, I got sidetracked.  Why doesn&#039;t Pivot marshall up a large group of these homeless people, shopping carts in tow, and attend as many of these &quot;FREE&quot; events as possible.  This could not possibly be seen as an attempt to embarrass government types as one must assume that &quot;FREE&quot; events are open to all comers.  And if these &quot;FREE&quot; events have security checks that will not allow shopping carts, then Pivot can either use the money they save from not buying red tents to rent some storage space for the carts and still escort their charges to these events.  I would suggest that Pivot have many of their people be armed with video cameras and or cell phones to document the proceedings as I&#039;m sure that the security types will not be too cooperative, but as I see it if something is advertised as &quot;FREE&quot;, there should be no restrictions based on status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There may be a better way for Pivot to get their message out to both the government and the world.  We have been bombarded by the media pointing out that there will be all kinds of &#8220;FREE&#8221;(a questionable assertion as someone had to foot the cost) things to attend.  The only reason that the MSM has been advertising these &#8220;FREE&#8221; events is to assuage the commoners that can&#8217;t afford to buy tickets to any real olympic events.  Sorry, I got sidetracked.  Why doesn&#8217;t Pivot marshall up a large group of these homeless people, shopping carts in tow, and attend as many of these &#8220;FREE&#8221; events as possible.  This could not possibly be seen as an attempt to embarrass government types as one must assume that &#8220;FREE&#8221; events are open to all comers.  And if these &#8220;FREE&#8221; events have security checks that will not allow shopping carts, then Pivot can either use the money they save from not buying red tents to rent some storage space for the carts and still escort their charges to these events.  I would suggest that Pivot have many of their people be armed with video cameras and or cell phones to document the proceedings as I&#8217;m sure that the security types will not be too cooperative, but as I see it if something is advertised as &#8220;FREE&#8221;, there should be no restrictions based on status.</p>
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		<title>By: Henri Paul</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/playing-the-poor-like-pawns/comment-page-1/#comment-64087</link>
		<dc:creator>Henri Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Pivot Legal Society red tents are the last item anyone should be concerned about.
 The only thing that is going to occur after the &quot;party&quot;is, there will be more people out of work along with more tenants looking for more space to sleep on the Vancouver side walks.
 With all those folks loseing their livelihood in Kitamat, no one should be surprised if many end up in Vancouver.Many small BC towns  have lost their main, and some  their only employer 
Vancouver has &quot;all&quot; the major medical facilites, health services, Doctors,  social houseing,food banks , good  temperate climate , transit,  lowest priced  groceries, etc, me thinks  the chickens are  come home to roost.

(Response: I think we CAN be concerned when any group (government or Pivot) are exploiting people .. like the homeless .. using them as characters in some ongoing political play. But you are certainly right about what we are going to face after the party is over: tougher times; anger; loss of more services, labour strife  etc.  h.o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Pivot Legal Society red tents are the last item anyone should be concerned about.<br />
 The only thing that is going to occur after the &#8220;party&#8221;is, there will be more people out of work along with more tenants looking for more space to sleep on the Vancouver side walks.<br />
 With all those folks loseing their livelihood in Kitamat, no one should be surprised if many end up in Vancouver.Many small BC towns  have lost their main, and some  their only employer<br />
Vancouver has &#8220;all&#8221; the major medical facilites, health services, Doctors,  social houseing,food banks , good  temperate climate , transit,  lowest priced  groceries, etc, me thinks  the chickens are  come home to roost.</p>
<p>(Response: I think we CAN be concerned when any group (government or Pivot) are exploiting people .. like the homeless .. using them as characters in some ongoing political play. But you are certainly right about what we are going to face after the party is over: tougher times; anger; loss of more services, labour strife  etc.  h.o)</p>
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		<title>By: StandUpforBC</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/playing-the-poor-like-pawns/comment-page-1/#comment-64086</link>
		<dc:creator>StandUpforBC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harvey, I do apologize for my hasty, inconsidered, and inaccurate comment that you had said there is &quot;nothing&quot; we can do for the homeless. 

I fully understand why you would feel the need to correct me on this. And I feel especially terrible, given how much I admire your commitment to the pursuit of what is good and decent.

My passion hijacked my brain (no excuse there though). 

Again, my sincere apologies.

(Response: Lots of credit to you! That&#039;s what I like about the dialogue on here ...  most are mature enough to admit errors when they make them ..even me.  As for the others.. we&#039;ll both keep working on them.  And hopefully not lose our passion in the process. h.o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harvey, I do apologize for my hasty, inconsidered, and inaccurate comment that you had said there is &#8220;nothing&#8221; we can do for the homeless. </p>
<p>I fully understand why you would feel the need to correct me on this. And I feel especially terrible, given how much I admire your commitment to the pursuit of what is good and decent.</p>
<p>My passion hijacked my brain (no excuse there though). </p>
<p>Again, my sincere apologies.</p>
<p>(Response: Lots of credit to you! That&#8217;s what I like about the dialogue on here &#8230;  most are mature enough to admit errors when they make them ..even me.  As for the others.. we&#8217;ll both keep working on them.  And hopefully not lose our passion in the process. h.o)</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/playing-the-poor-like-pawns/comment-page-1/#comment-64085</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t they all set up a home in the 10 million dollar, 2 storey Canada Pavilion Tent? 
There is no disputing the fact that a lot of the folks in the DES suffer from mental health issues that were in fact evicted from hospitals and group homes because the political party of the day thought their rights and freedoms were being violated. Those people need to be looked after. There are another set of folks who suffer from addiction. Another set of folks who look for free handouts. They choose not to work. 
So, who do we help first?

(Response: Actually that $10 million tent might be fitting as public housing AFTER the Games ... that would help amortize the ridiculous cost ... for a tent!  And provide a &quot;lasting Olympic legacy&quot; .. until the wind blows.  h.o.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t they all set up a home in the 10 million dollar, 2 storey Canada Pavilion Tent?<br />
There is no disputing the fact that a lot of the folks in the DES suffer from mental health issues that were in fact evicted from hospitals and group homes because the political party of the day thought their rights and freedoms were being violated. Those people need to be looked after. There are another set of folks who suffer from addiction. Another set of folks who look for free handouts. They choose not to work.<br />
So, who do we help first?</p>
<p>(Response: Actually that $10 million tent might be fitting as public housing AFTER the Games &#8230; that would help amortize the ridiculous cost &#8230; for a tent!  And provide a &#8220;lasting Olympic legacy&#8221; .. until the wind blows.  h.o.)</p>
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		<title>By: blaffergassted</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/playing-the-poor-like-pawns/comment-page-1/#comment-64084</link>
		<dc:creator>blaffergassted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Riddle me this:

Why would a national homeless strategy necessarily translate into FREE housing for the poor?

(Response: Well I don&#039;t think we should expect homeless people to pay for housing... at least not for some time after they get a place. First get them settled, then provide health and social services to give them a lift up ...and I say let them keep their welfare $$ to build up a basic home and themselves.  h.o.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Riddle me this:</p>
<p>Why would a national homeless strategy necessarily translate into FREE housing for the poor?</p>
<p>(Response: Well I don&#8217;t think we should expect homeless people to pay for housing&#8230; at least not for some time after they get a place. First get them settled, then provide health and social services to give them a lift up &#8230;and I say let them keep their welfare $$ to build up a basic home and themselves.  h.o.)</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/playing-the-poor-like-pawns/comment-page-1/#comment-64083</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HO I must disagree with you on this issue, mainly because the government will do nothing unless they are embarrassed.  

There are many people in the province who can&#039;t afford the rent.  If my partner died tomorrow, I would be homeless next month, but you wouldn&#039;t know, because I would be on someone&#039;s couch, or in a tent on the outskirts of society.

I am from here Harv.  Metis.  Not on your radar.

(Response:  I do know someone who is unemployed, and every month is a struggle just to survive and keep a roof over his head.  And is regularly helped by me and others he knows ... so I understand the problem and support calls for more funds to help.  I&#039;m just saying .. because I know how politicians are ..  you MUST push them for action, you MUST pressure them to act... even publicly before their electorate. BUT if you EMBARRASS them before &quot;outsiders&quot; ... if you PEE on their parade, and if you TAKE attention away from their spotlight moment ... you give them a perfect excuse NOT to speak to you, NOT to receive your delegations, NOT act on your submissions for a long time to come. etc.  Do you REALLY believe that by embarrassing them ... they will thank you by acting faster after their &quot;guests&quot; leave??  NOT!!  h.o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HO I must disagree with you on this issue, mainly because the government will do nothing unless they are embarrassed.  </p>
<p>There are many people in the province who can&#8217;t afford the rent.  If my partner died tomorrow, I would be homeless next month, but you wouldn&#8217;t know, because I would be on someone&#8217;s couch, or in a tent on the outskirts of society.</p>
<p>I am from here Harv.  Metis.  Not on your radar.</p>
<p>(Response:  I do know someone who is unemployed, and every month is a struggle just to survive and keep a roof over his head.  And is regularly helped by me and others he knows &#8230; so I understand the problem and support calls for more funds to help.  I&#8217;m just saying .. because I know how politicians are ..  you MUST push them for action, you MUST pressure them to act&#8230; even publicly before their electorate. BUT if you EMBARRASS them before &#8220;outsiders&#8221; &#8230; if you PEE on their parade, and if you TAKE attention away from their spotlight moment &#8230; you give them a perfect excuse NOT to speak to you, NOT to receive your delegations, NOT act on your submissions for a long time to come. etc.  Do you REALLY believe that by embarrassing them &#8230; they will thank you by acting faster after their &#8220;guests&#8221; leave??  NOT!!  h.o)</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart S.</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/playing-the-poor-like-pawns/comment-page-1/#comment-64082</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In your article you state &quot;It will do NOTHING to solve the homeless problem; it will only embarrass government and result in a backlash against Pivot and could even delay any additonal projects to help  those they supposedly care so much about. While not in total agreement with Pivot&#039;s methods I think a much bigger problem is a government that would strike back by punishing the poor even further.  A government that gives itself huge raises for cutting back on the rest of us has lost its moral compass, if indeed it ever had one.

(Response: I would agree on loss of moral compass ... BUT we are dealing with politicians who don&#039;t take kindly to embarrassment. Put yourself in their place: If you made a huge expensive party (wedding, anniversary etc ) and invited many friends and family etc ....and say, some religious group massed 500 people outside warning you to repent or go to hell ..how likely would YOU  afterwards to entertain their request for a large donation???  I&#039;m just trying to Keep it Real and let people ..and Pivot ... know they will be making a BIG mistake, unless their ultimate aim is political.  h.o)  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In your article you state &#8220;It will do NOTHING to solve the homeless problem; it will only embarrass government and result in a backlash against Pivot and could even delay any additonal projects to help  those they supposedly care so much about. While not in total agreement with Pivot&#8217;s methods I think a much bigger problem is a government that would strike back by punishing the poor even further.  A government that gives itself huge raises for cutting back on the rest of us has lost its moral compass, if indeed it ever had one.</p>
<p>(Response: I would agree on loss of moral compass &#8230; BUT we are dealing with politicians who don&#8217;t take kindly to embarrassment. Put yourself in their place: If you made a huge expensive party (wedding, anniversary etc ) and invited many friends and family etc &#8230;.and say, some religious group massed 500 people outside warning you to repent or go to hell ..how likely would YOU  afterwards to entertain their request for a large donation???  I&#8217;m just trying to Keep it Real and let people ..and Pivot &#8230; know they will be making a BIG mistake, unless their ultimate aim is political.  h.o)</p>
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