Solutions Possible for Foreign Workers Invasion

It’s clear: the “temporary” workers system is not working as intended: it is meeting the needs of some companies to fill critical jobs for which there are shortfalls: BUT it is also being abused by many other companies to fill positions with cheaper labour …  people who are often much more intimidated than Canadians to speak up against lousy working/living conditions and treatment.

It is incredible that, at a time when there are 1.3 million Canadians, unemployed, more than 4,000 companies have had NO CHOICE but to import almost 340,000 workers from overseas.


I’d bet that foreign workers toiling away here … especially in service, resource and construction industries … QUIETLY  take a lot more “pushing” around on the job, work irregular hours, and get lower wages and fewer long-term benefits than emancipated Canadians would demand … and be legally required to receive.  THAT’S the attraction, THAT’S the benefit, THAT’S the greed factor in play for too many firms.

And getting around Canada’s weak requirements …by requiring, for example, that prospective mining employees speak Mandarin … makes a mockery of the entire system.  What’s next? Forestry workers who must be able to live on noodles and crickets? Fishermen who must have a working knowledge of Russian, Portuguese or Japanese? And only hotel, service workers who can take instructions in Tagolog?

The abuse has to stop.

And the Canadian government CAN do it … if they stop turning a blind eye to corporate excesses and encourage them instead to FIND and TRAIN Canadians to do the jobs.

Here’s how:

First, the federal and provincial governments both have to increase job skills. training and retraining spending and spaces to SUBSTANTIALLY boost the skill levels of our own workforce.  How to pay for it? Well, for starters, why not stop spending tens of millions of dollars on ads telling us how well they’re doing and put the money where it could better be used.

Second, instead of allowing companies to PAY imported workers (and their Canadian co-workers) FIFTEEN PER CENT BELOW the media wage here for the work in question, why not  CHARGE Canadian companies a FIFTEEN PER CENT SURCHARGE TAX on all wages paid out to foreign imports.

This would not only encourage corporations to look much harder for Canadians to fill the jobs, but I suspect even be more willing to train our own to do the work.

And those companies that would still need to import workers from abroad  (no doubt large enough to measure their own profits in the millions) would be able to get the work done, while still contributing extra to help train and re-train Canadians for future projects.

Just think, based on the 338,000 foreigners now doing jobs here, how many MILLIONS of dollars that would raise to train our own people and encourage hiring here through more job-incentive programs, especially for young people or those displaced by jobs shipped overseas.

I have absolutely no doubt that, if the federal government made it tougher and more costly … not easier and cheaper … for companies to hire abroad, many, many of those 4,000 firms now doing it would think twice …and likely step up their hirings and  on-the job training here.

But that would require the government to put the interests of Canadians ahead of corporations … probably no easy task for the Tories.

Unless they remember … companies may contribute, but it’s the people who vote.

Harv Oberfeld

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32 Responses to Solutions Possible for Foreign Workers Invasion

  1. Gordie says:

    Those are good ideas.

    In your opening paragraph you state “people who are often much more intimidated than Canadians to speak up against lousy working/living conditions and treatment.”

    Compared to their homeland, more than likely the working/living conditions and treatment, and salary/wage, are probably far superior than what they are used to. So why would they complain about anything?

    (Response: I have been fortunate to have travelled widely and have often noticed, especially in Asia, South and Central America, people work under harsher conditions. But I have unfortunately seen stories right here in Canada, where imported workers HAVE been found to be working/living in totally substandard conditions: they DID have reason to complain …no one should be abused here in Canada…no matter what their conditions are back home. h.o)

  2. e.a.f. says:

    If anyone is waiting for the federal Conservatives to change the game rules regarding “temporary” foreign workers, don’t hold your breath. It isn’t going to happen. The Harper Cons have a majority. Their financial supporters are happy with the way things are, who cares what the taxpayers want.

    What the federal Conservatives are doing is impoverishing the federal government. They do this by giving tax breaks to profitable corporations. Once the government is running a deficiet they can plead poverty and start cutting programs and laying off federal government workers.

    Over 300K “temp” foreign workers because the employer can’t find “trained” Canadians? that is bull tweet. Many of these jobs are low skilled entry level positions. It is just cheaper and easier to bring in workers who have few, if no alternatives.

    Canada has a highly educated population. There isn’t a need to bring in workers from abroad. WE have only to look at landed immigrants in these fields who say they can’t find work because they don’t meet “Canadian” standards. Yet these companies bring in “temporary” workers from the countries these people immigrated from. It does not make sense, except to the company. They can pay less, demand more from the worker than legally required, fire the worker and send them home when ever they wish and never have to worry a Union is going to unionize.

    We have students leaving university who can’t find work. We have a high unemployment rate. Canada lost 50K jobs last month. Under these conditions no foreign workers should be permitted into Canada. If the unemployment rate rises over 4% then there should be no temporary foreign workers in this country, unless it is for agricultural work, which is very seasonal.

    On the topic of “training” for Canadians. We have trained workers. Corporations just don’t want to pay them salaries and benefits. The federal Conservatives did announce a “training” fund but it requires the provinces to pay 1/3. That is going to work really well in provinces who don’t have enough money for even decent health care. The employers would be required to put up another 1/3. That isn’t going to happen either because they get to import their workers. This is just another federal Conservative Con job.

    The federal Conservatives made the changes to the “temporary foreign worker” program to benefit their financial supporters. It certainly wasn’t the workers in Canada who asked for these programs.

  3. Paul says:

    Here’s a picture of Gord Nixon, RBC President and CEO, (and grandson of a former director of Royal Bank of Canada) opening the first office of the Royal Bank of Canada in India at Bandra Kurla, Mumbai.

    It looks like he forgot to wear his Order of Canada pin.

    (Response: I don’t mind Canadian banks opening branches or doing business elsewhere if it helps businesses and people there and boosts the bank’s bottom line. But they should never be recruiting stations to find people to ship over here and displace Canadian staff. h.o)

  4. kootcoot says:

    “And the Canadian government CAN do it … if they stop turning a blind eye to corporate excesses and encourage them instead to FIND and TRAIN Canadians to do the jobs.”

    Yeah, I guess the Canadian government COULD do it……..unfortunately Treasonous Stevenous has no interest in most Canadians, only his Chinese masters and Corporate partners in crime!

  5. Terry says:

    Years ago when I took pre apprenticeship training, UIC(EI) paid for training because I qualified from my employment at hte time. There was also money available through the BC Dept. of Labour if you didn’t qualify for the EI monies. After Paul Martin robbed the surplus money from EI overpayments to pay down the deficit and balance the budget, these moneies seemed to disapear. The reason this money was available was to help people get into the trades etc.. Now there doesn,t seem to be much available to help people get out of dead end jobs and get into the trades and other occupations.

    (Response: Why train enough people to do all the work, when big business will give you generous campaign donations to let them hire outside workers at a discount! h.o)

  6. Scotty on Denman says:

    Right on, Harvey, charge ’em more to hire foreign replacement workers rather than reward them. Yes, yes, there’ll be a bunch of whining and squealing…so? So, let’s get on with it.

  7. R says:

    Corporations before Canadians.?
    Denny’s sued / ANC- Canada line sued.
    Re temp work
    Didn’t a politician say corporation are people too?
    340k non Can jobs yikes

  8. Kreditanstalt says:

    “It is incredible that, at a time when there are 1.3 million Canadians, unemployed, more than 4,000 companies have had NO CHOICE but to import almost 340,000 workers from overseas.”

    Harvey, it’s not a “skill shortage” problem. It’s COST. Canadian workers are too expensive.

    A few suggestions:

    Minimum wages have to be abolished – and social welfare benefit eligibility tightened up – to soak up the pool of unemployed.

    Mandated “collective bargaining” has to be eliminated so that the few expensive Canadian workers actually have to face DOMESTIC competition for their jobs. (Witness forestry & oilpatch jobs, requiring little more than brawn, being paid $20-$30-$40/hour + benefits +pensions. Wages for half of which we’d kill!

    I’d actually also suggest that industry-specific training programs be cut back. Let’s force industry to do their own employee sourcing, training and interviewing/assessment legwork instead of burdening the taxpayer.

    I feel there’s giong to be a major, major, major jobs crisis in this country in the next few years and they’d better get serious about enabling the private sector to be competitive.

    (Response: You won’t be surprised that I disagree. Minimum wages protect workers from the ultimate in exploitation; collective bargaining allows workers to negotiate with dignity for fairness…instead of fearing they could lose their jobs for just asking for a raise, even as everything else goes up in price. The solution is to raise up the rest of the workers in the world by paying decent wages out of a fair portion of the revenues their labour produces … not bring the rest of us down to their poverty wages and miserable existences. h.o.)

  9. Bill says:

    This is a great idea Harvey.

    This makes sense for both working Canadians and the too many unemployed Canadians looking for work. It does not make sense to greedy corporations, businesses and pro business provincial and federal governments.

    Seems too straight forward and simple a solution, too impairing of corporate profits in the interest of Canadian workers against the extra profits of big business and the governments they sponsor.

    (Response: Glad you like it…but you’re right…it may be a good idea, but no doubt too impairing of corporate profits for Harper/Tories to give it a thought. 🙂 h.o.

  10. R says:

    Harv remember men from Ghana in BC forest tree plant.? and their mess with employer.

    (Response: I don’t recall that one, but I do remember there was a group of foreign workers found to be living in misery in sub-standard shacks somewhere in Alberta, I believe. And I believe they also complained of not being paid. No excuse for that in Canada. h.o)

  11. chuckstraight says:

    Many of us, and I include myself have worked hard over the years to increase the standard of work for people in the trades. There has been a concerted effort from the likes of Gordon Campbell, Christy Clark, Steven Harper to bust unions. They have succeeded, and one only has to see Ledcor trucks doing Telus work, CLAC workers making inroads into the construction sector to see this. The end result is a race to the bottom, and having a 39% “majority” doesn`t exactly help. The working stiffs in Canada are under assault, that is very clear. And now we see temporary workers coming in to a tune of 15% less, Chinese workers (from a dictatorship) mining our coal because they speak Mandarin ( official language in Canad is either English and French).
    We are screwed, and if we want more- elect Harper and more BC Liberals.
    I do think we have at least seen the last of Christy Clark in May.

  12. Kreditanstalt says:

    Making foreign labour more expensive?
    Enforcing ever-stricter working conditions?
    Taxing companies using cheaper labour?

    It does sound like you are seriously advocating using government action to reduce employer profits…presumably so that more money goes to labour. Worldwide, I gather…

    And if profits are successfully reduced – whether through raising taxes, minimum wages, imposed working conditions, currency inflation or whatever – how is that going to encourage businesses to employ anyone, ESPECIALLY expensive Canadians?

    Businesses just won’t be started at all.

    You only need look at Europe, specifically France or Spain, where it is so onerously expensive to not only lay workers off, but to hire them in the first place…

    I think you’ve got this entirely backward.

    Government regulation, imposed working conditions, minimum wages, Cadillac benefits, pensions, employer deductions, taxes, zoning laws…the whole lot will have to adjust to the WORLD, not them to our inflated expectations.

    (Response: Frankly, I would not shed a tear for any corporation that measures its net profits in MILLIONS or TENS OF MILLIONS or HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS(after deducting every expense it can (including golf club memberships, luxury vehicles and getaways for execs, expensive management meals and drinks), after taking every tax loophole it finds, after every grant and subsidy government hands it … if it had to pay a small premium for importing foreign workers to help its bottom even more. It boggles the mind that you can defend that … over hiring or training our own people here to do the work. h.o)

  13. Barry says:

    Considering the fuss over the HD mine up north, now that the provincial election is up and running, I’d like to see one of the parties say they’d pull the permits of any outfit that brings in more than a few temporary workers [and those would have to be supervisory/training type positions].

    And if the feds/industry doesn’t like it, they should be told where to shove it.

    Our motto: Canada for Canadians!

  14. Larry Bennett says:

    Kreditanstalt makes some very valid points. Canadians should be more competitive, and if wages drop, you can be sure prices will also. Every time they raise the minimum wage, the corner green grocer raises everything in the store, though I doubt he pays his kids the minimum. As a couple of Hungarians told me, prior to the fall of the wall, “They (the commissars) pretend to pay us and we pretend to work.” It doesn’t matter how hard you work in these kind of regimes, when everyone gets the government mandated wages. There must be a happy medium, but we are becoming a failing economy because too many people expect handouts all the time. You may have heard with the death of Maggie Thatcher that they called her “Margaret Thatcher, the milk snatcher” because she ended the free milk in school nonsense. Another local blogger here thinks we should be giving free meals to kids at Grandview elementary because they are “dirt poor Natives”. Well then I must be poorer yet because I, or my children don’t get free university, free dental and medical, and pay no taxes if I have a job on reserve. It is not the government’s job to feed our children, it is why we have charities and churches, and if we didn’t have to pay so many taxes we could afford to donate, but only where necessary.

  15. Crankypants says:

    Whether it is by choice or ignorance, our governments seem to create initiatives that they cannot police. Their intentions seem to be made on the premise that people/corporations will play nice and always colour within the lines.

    The temporary worker initiative seems to have more holes in it than the various operating systems foisted upon us by Microsoft.

  16. R G says:

    Before being allowed to hire workers from outside of Canada, Canadian employers should be forced to prove they have offered the jobs in question to a given number of Canadian EI and/or welfare recipients who are looking for work, just as EI & welfare recipients must prove they are looking for work in order to continue receiving benefits. Only then, if they’ve had no luck hiring Canadians after a certain time period, may they offer those jobs to foreign workers or to contractors who supply labour from outside of Canada.

    I love your idea of a 15% surcharge tax for employers to pay on foreign worker wages. Something must be done to make Canadian employers try a little harder to employ actual Canadians. But better yet, why not make the law require equal pay for equal work for everyone, no matter who they are or where they’re from? I know that many companies would whine about how horribly unfair that is, but so what. They should suck it up and start treating employees like the skilled, valuable, contributing human beings they are, instead of trying to get away with abusing and ripping off the very people whom, without which, their businesses would cease to function.

    (Response: Part of the process in getting permission already requires companies to prove they couldn’t find qualified Canadians: but apparently the problem is they can TWIST the requirements (Mandarin as a prerequisite for a mining job) to make sure almost no available Canadians “qualify”. This is actually a very old scam in private industry and government, when officials must call tenders but know exactly which company/product they really want: they send out tender calls that are so specific to the desired equipment, its company becomes the “only” one bidding successfully and meeting all the criteria. In my view, that’s corruption …and so is the current “qualification” hiring system that opens the door for foreigners to take Canadian jobs. h.o)

  17. workforfun says:

    An easy fix would be to make employers pay the difference between “temporary foreign workers” wages and standard Canadian workers rates for the same job, to a government fund to pay for training Canadian workers – plus a 15% penalty for using out of country workers.
    Something like this would promote Canadian workers training and the government still gets it’s share of the big money floating around.
    Of course something like this would never happen as our wonderous Con-servative Canadian government is bought and paid for by the big corporations (substitute greed and power hungry).
    We need to vote the tories out before any improvements can be made.

  18. Diverdarren says:

    Your right Harvey, Canadians shouldn’t stand for companies that are miss using a government program that was flawed when it was conceived by the Chretien government.

    I don’t see a value in the surtax plan you mentioned. It’s not RBC that would have to pay this tax its the outsource firm iGate that pays it. iGate bills RBC, then RBC just passes the cost on to the customer. (assuming they haven’t found a loophole to skirt the tax) The temp worker issue still exists it just costs the consumer more because of it.

    Just scrap the program.

    If iGate can’t use foreign workers on Canadian soil then RBC (and all other Canadian companies) will only be able to use Canadians/ Permanent residence for the job based here in Canada.

    (Response: You’re harsher than I am on this one. I wouldn’t forbid companies from bringing in the workers they feel they absolutely need …too Big Brother for me. And what about agricultural workers … badly needed for short-term work in many parts of the country? No, I would let business operate …but make sure it’s NOT to their financial advantage to bring in outsiders to do jobs that Canadians are quite ready, willing and able to do. h.o)

  19. D. M. Johnston says:

    If one reads history, which very few of us do and if one understands history, which even fewer persons do, we would find that when about 35% of a countries population becomes dissatisfied and marginalized, are the seeds of civil discontent sown.

    We got a taste of it almost two years ago with the Stanley Cup riot and the powers that be utter fear of the event.

    When one feels that a country has cheated him in favour of a government’s fiends and allies, the bonds of citizenship are broken and the law becomes a tool of the powerful, lays fertile ground for revolution.

    Now a revolution can be a quiet, where government makes change through public discourse or a revolution can be violent, where the public rise up against the government and its institutions.

    I see in Canada, the seeds of revolution being sown by corrupt government and politicians, who are far too busy rewarding their friends and insiders. I see a strange ennui with the “elite” classes in this country, acting out a “Marie Antoinette” moment of “If there is no bread, let them eat cake”, or rather, “Why should we train Canadians for jobs, when we can train non Canadians so much cheaper.”

    I see a new generation of “gamers” who have little or no future, by design of senior governments and bureaucrats, who may start talking about taking “head shots”, which I anmnot taking about a video game.

    Be worried, be very worried, our politicians are playing a very dangerous game.

  20. Larry Bennett says:

    This is really nothing new. Over 25 years ago, I recall checking the job list at U.I.C. / Manpower, whatever, and pointing out that a job for autobody prepman had a proviso that they speak Mandarin! When I pointed this out to one of the employees, they said that was perfectly normal as their customers may be mostly, (or totally) Chinese. I pointed out that one didn’t need Mandarin to prepare a fender for paint. One fellow finally came out from behind his desk, took the offer of the wall and tore it in pieces. It took me about a half dozen phone calls to UIC before I finally got a call back from someone with an apology. Well, you can see that English certainly isn’t a prerequisite for a job in Vancouver, today!

  21. tf says:

    I agree with DM Johnston –
    If people see no hope in the future, there is nothing to lose.
    We are seeing seniors, students, women, families, immigrants, black bloc and First Nations people marching in the streets of Canada. If protests don’t provoke change, the next step is violence.
    Study history and recent history at that – dancing on the grave of a politician is happening today in the UK.

  22. e.a.f. says:

    For those who advocate no min. wage, etc. just check with countries which engage in such practices. They aren’t doing so well.

    As to, if wages fall, so will prices. Get a grip. That isn’t going to happen. What will happen is the lines at the food bank will get longer. Children will go to school hungry, with out appropriate winter clothing, and become extremely stressed. The government will collect less taxes from workers, the workers will have less to spend and there goes the small local business.

    There is a major women’s clothing brand which used to make its cloths in the U.S.A. Now it is made in China. Did the price of the blouses, dresses, skirts, etc. go down? No they did not. They still charge the same prices. When you look at big name labels, the majority of the cloths are made overseas at very low costs but the clothing itself is still selling as if it were made in North America, Europe, or Japan.

    Check on line under made in Canada or made in U.S.A. for things want. Many small local clothing stores still carry made in Canada or U.S.A. If its made in China I don’t buy. It has saved me a lot of money. Its better for the enviornment.

  23. Persey says:

    Great post, Harv.

    And a terrific spectrum of comments from the various responders.

    It’s obvious there is no easy solution to this issue but on a macro scale, I am impressed by D.M. Johnston’s comments.

    I don’t have accurate numbers, but I think there are more people today who feel marginalized than in previous decades in my memory (six of them!)

    And it’s not just the politicians who are playing this dangerous game. The sellout of our formerly trusted media (print, radio, and tv) bears a huge responsibility also.

    Thank you for being here, Harv and for providing a quality forum for exchange of ideas.

    (Response: Thanks and I hope you will contributing to the discussions….so good canvassing of ideas and views on the blogosphere continues to grow.

  24. kootcoot says:

    Kreditanstalt sez:

    “It does sound like you are seriously advocating using government action to reduce employer profits…presumably so that more money goes to labour. Worldwide, I gather…”

    So I take it Mr. K is fine with using government action to increase corporate profits and reduce tax liabilities on the rich….which is what is happening both in Canada and the US. The level of inequality today is higher than it was even in 1929 which led to a depression and a likelihood of revolt that was only averted by FDR and the New Deal. D.M. Johnston above is right about the results that come from increasing inequality. Today that danger is even increased by the disruption that will be caused by climate change and forced migrations of those displaced
    by drought, rising sea levels and other disruptions to agriculture and the ability of large swathes of the planet to support life.

    L.B and Mr. K can bemoan the fact that Canadian workers are “too expensive” all they want, but that doesn’t change the fact that a family cannot live in Vancouver, Toronto or Calgary even at wages above minimum wage, unless they choose to live under a bridge and eat crap. The rich and the corporations don’t seem to realize that in the end if they have ALL the money, they don’t have a market for their crap and will eventually fail to prosper themselves, if they aren’t killed and eaten first.

    During the prosperous period following WW2, there was a large and prosperous middle class and everybody, including the rich paid what would be considered exorbitant taxes today. But in those days toxic politicians like the recently departed Ferrous Maggie and the puppet Ronnie Raygun hadn’t begun the assault on the majority of the population so the rich wouldn’t have to just be rich, but would have it all!

    With 300-400 million guns floating around in the USA, it won’t be pretty when the 99% figure out who is screwing who!

  25. Kreditanstalt says:

    Telling private, non-government subsidized companies who they can & can’t hire, how much they have to pay in wages, meddling in their working conditions, dictating their profit margins…

    Bunch of authoritarians!

    (Response: Well, along with freedom comes responsibility and when some companies disrespect the very people who give them a country to operate, the “people’s resources” to extract, the highly subsidized infrastructure system (roads, bridges, electricity, policing, etc.) that makes it possible …even favourable …for them to operate, then YES, society has a RIGHT to expect some degree of decency, fairness and respectability in the way they treat the country where they grow rich and the people there too. h.o)

  26. Larry Bennett says:

    Mr. Coot – I’m not sure where you were during the “prosperous period following WW2” or if you knew, personally the “prosperous people” of that period, but I was there, and yes, though small and insignificant as I was, I definitely don’t remember this prosperity you speak of. What was available in the produce section of the local market wouldn’t take up 1/5th of the space of today’s supermarket. There was little in the way of spare money, and to be wealthy was in no way as you describe it. Many of the “middleclass” were lucky to have indoor plumbing. We ourselves, had an icebox, as refrigerators were only for the well-off. While we were hardly middleclass, we still lived in better conditions than anyone in Europe or the rest of the world, outside of the U.S.. I can honestly say, however that I never felt “without” and never recall going hungry, or unloved. What we have now is a spiritual poverty where people feel they are poor if they don’t have an iphone. That said, it would seem that Mr. Obama is bound and determined to make sure that the poor are given “free” cell-phones (sigh)

  27. r says:

    Too bad RBC is not into raw log export. maybe that would of had some light shed on the practice. re jobs export

  28. kootcoot says:

    Geez Larry, no wonder we disagree, not only am I not Catholic, but apparently I also grew up on a different planet. I remember ice-boxes, indeed my grand dad was the neighborhood ice-man. But by the time I went to school we had a fridge, and we were poor. By the time Elizabeth became queen, we were able to watch her coronation on TeeVee (it was must see TeeVee in our house cause Grandma was a Geordie), though prior to that we listened to baseball and the Shadow on radio.

    Later on I lived with relatives way out in the sticks (junior high and high school) four miles from the nearest phone or neighbor and over twenty miles to school, but we had indoor plumbing with our own well (pumped by a windmill with an auxiliary gas pump if the weather was too calm for too long) and septic system and electricity, though we had to generate it ourselves and only bothered to fire up a generator to watch TeeVee, iron, do laundry or run power tools.

    As far as the supermarket goes, there was less variety because it was difficult to transport fresh stuff in those days, and soon when energy gets more expensive that variety will again disappear for all but the very rich – the “hundred mile diet” will become a necessity rather than a choice. However the food that was available was better, had more flavor and less chemicals etc.

    As far as we in North America living better than those in Europe immediately following the war, that had a lot to do with the fact that Europe was the home field for five or six years of war……other than Pearl Harbor and a sub or two around the St. Lawrence, North America was untouched and its infrastructure hadn’t been reduced to rubble.

  29. Kreditanstalt says:

    kootcoot: “So I take it Mr. K is fine with using government action to increase corporate profits and reduce tax liabilities on the rich.”

    I get this all the time. Where did I say THAT?? I’m all for reducing anyone’s tax liabilities at any time, and for opening the borders to allow labour competition – but where is any proactive “government action to increase corporate profits”?

    Seems to most of us that government is doing all it can to decrease them…

  30. kootcoot says:

    Mr. K, you didn’t have to state that you are” fine with using government action to increase corporate profits and reduce tax liabilities on the rich.”

    But the fact is that current government policies have increasingly over the last thirty plus years (since the coronations of Raygun, Ferrous Maggie and Lyin’ Mulroney have done exactly that by reducing the tax burden on the corporations and the rich which has the effect of increasing profits……..jeez what a poor parser of prose you are or pretend to be!

    The reich wing doesn’t believe in income re-distribution unless the direction is upward and then it rarely trickles down.

  31. John says:

    Hey Harvey,

    Do you know if any of the big banks have tried this foreign worker thing in La Belle Province?

    (Response: I don’t think they could …because, believe it or not, Quebec has its own immigration department, and they would probably hassle any non-French speaking workers so much, no company would want to try to bring them in….even temporarily. h.o)

  32. Larry Bennett says:

    Why the hell would I care whether you are Catholic or not? We discuss politics and means of economical governance, and Catholics are as likely to be socialist in these beliefs, as Protestants, are likely to be conservative in them. But you may have a point in that I would attack you with Athanasian ferocity on the other matter too!

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