US Midterms Serve Up Messages for Canada

Pierre Poilievre, Justin Trudeau and their political strategists could learn a lot from the US midterm election results.

Latest figures show the Democrats are likely to retain a thin sliver of control over the US Senate, but the Republicans … despite not doing as well as pollsters predicted … still won more House seats than the Democrats … and will control the House of Representatives.

Republican Kevin McCarthy will take over the Speaker’s role and powers from Democrat Nancy Pelosi and for the next two years, the Republicans will control House Committee appointments, chairmanships … and the House agenda.

In Canada, with the current US House numbers, the Republicans (Conservatives) would form government.

Canadians like to think WE are quite dissimilar from Americans; that our issues are quite different ; and, that most Canadian voters are, frankly, much brighter than the Trump MAGA idiots and bigots who elect the likes of Ted Cruz, Lindsey Graham, Jim Jordan, Matt Gaetz, Marjorie Taylor Green etc.

But the truth is tens of millions of Americans who voted Republican are just like so many Canadians: struggling with high gas and grocery prices, rising rents and housing costs, ever-increasing taxes, Hydro costs and living paycheck to paycheck … fed up with seeing “liberal” activists getting so much attention from governments and the media … pushing political correctness to the extreme and even dishonouring their country’s history and accomplishments.

In the US, many of the white working-class majority feel their language/culture is being displaced by Spanish/Latinos; their concerns and problems are ignored by Democrats in favour of pushing black, gay, transgender social activist and environmental issues; while, with rapidly-rising Hispanic/Muslim immigration, refugees and so many illegal migrants, the European-backgrounded majority are fast becoming the minority in their own country.

In Canada too, increasing numbers of the white working-class majority feel their language/culture is being displaced by Chinese/East Indian/Muslim cultures; their concerns and problems are being ignored by the Liberals/NDP pandering to First Nations reconciliation and residential schools shakedowns, women’s/transgender issues and climate change; while, with rapidly-rising Asian/Muslim immigration and refugee numbers, the European-backgrounded majority will fast become the minority in our country as well.

Sadly, there are already signs in BC that Canada’s historical Judeo/Christian heritage is being pushed aside/disrespected.

Despite some disturbing incidents of anti-Asian crimes, most British Columbians have overwhelmingly welcomed immigration: including large numbers from China, India, Philippines, Iran. And they have contributed positively and immensely to BC’s economy and cultural diversity.

However, increasingly, there are now signs of “displacement” of European backgrounded communities/cultures being given shorter shrift, while Asian/Muslim communities/cultures are clearly being promoted/moved to the forefront.

Few probably noticed (but I did) that my old alma mater, Global TV Newshour, reported in April on holidays and festivals occurring that month … and pointed to Easter, Vaisakhi (Hindu) and Ramadan (Muslim).

Totally ignored … the Jewish holiday of Passover, which is not only integrally tied to Easter, but is celebrated by Canadians of Jewish background, who have been an integral part and contributed greatly to the nation’s fabric for more than three hundred years … well before the Chinese, East Indians and Muslims even began to arrive.

And even the religious significance and importance of Easter, marked by the vast majority of Canadians, was, in my view, given less attention than it deserved.

Just a coincidence? Oversight?

Well, just over a month ago, the Jewish community celebrated its two holiest periods of the year, Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur. Again, unless I missed it, totally ignored on Global BC Newshour.

I believe Canadians ARE starting to notice Canada’s historical Judeo-Christian European heritage is being downgraded, while Chinese, Indian and Muslim holidays and festivals and commemorations … even minor ones … are being pushed to the front.

That will not bode well for inter-community relations … or appreciation for the Liberals’ multi-culturalism policies.

But there was also much more to the Republican House victory than just culture/immigration.

Many Spanish-speaking US voters also deserted their traditional Democrat voting patterns in several states, apparently fed up with the Democrats’ failure to deal with economic issues, crime or stem the numbers of illegal economic migrants flooding into the country through the southern border.

In fact, on both sides of the border there is REAL unhappiness with left-leaning politicians/governments/prosecutors/judges who have wreaked havoc on our societies with their unhindered revolving door treatment/sentencing of recidivist and even violent criminals.

Poilievre would do well to learn these lessons from the US vote: there were ideas/issues/policies that worked for the Republicans in the US that could find fertile ground in Canada as well.

Trudeau too could benefit from the lessons of the US vote: watch to see if the Liberals start placing a new emphasis on bread-and-butter issues facing Canadians … the Liberals’ potential Achilles heel.

And then, there’s the turnout.

In the US, voters under 40 overwhelmingly favoured the Democrats: 59% compared to only 41% support for the Republicans. Among those over 40, the Republicans captured 56% of the vote, compared to 44% for the Democrats.

The challenge for the Liberals now is to see if they can INCREASE the political participation of Generation Z Canadians, who could be more amenable to the Liberal/NDP social agenda/policies/priorities.

Unless Poilievre successfully touches a few more nerves in their parents and grandparents.

Harv Oberfeld

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18 Responses to US Midterms Serve Up Messages for Canada

  1. e.a.f. says:

    McCarthy becoming the next Speaker of the House of Representative? I’m not so sure. There will be a lot of infighting for that job and there are factions of the Republicans who won’t be that interested in McCarthy being Speaker.

    If the Republicans become the majority in the House of Representatives, it could be a lot of infighting to the degree, nothing will get done. The Republicans have spent a lot of time carrying on about all sorts of things, but they have not had to “lead/govern”. They may not be “together” enough to accomplish much of anything. They will also have to deal with a Democratic Senate.

    As to European descent Canadians and Americans feeling they are being “replaced”, well what goes around comes around and now perhaps they will know how the Indigenous people around the world felt and still feel.

    As to Global not mentioning Jewish religious holidays, not surprising. Their advertisers don’t see them as a growing market, but other groups are growing, so that is where the money is. Global may also not have mentioned the Jewish Holidays because, although there is quite a bit of anti Asian violence and rehtoric, I’d suggest more is focused on those of the Jewish faith. When you are trying to make advertisers happy, …………

    My take on the American election was the issue of Choice. It drove a lot of younger Americans to the polls.
    Although Canadians may have similiar issues as Americans, we do have health care and Americans, well not so much. Its about 80% of all foreclosures are because of medical debt. One of the largest hospitals in Atlanta is closing because the corporation who owns it isn’t making enough money. Its in an area where the population is mostly African American.

    Mid terms are always about the “ruling” party, ie who has the White House, looses seats during the mid terms. I’d suggest Biden and the Dems did a good job of hanging on to what they did. In previous elections, losses were greater for the party of the President.

    P.P. isn’t Trump and the maga crowd. He isn’t great or even good in my books, but he is better than the Republicans.
    There isn’t much governments can do about supply chains, shortage of staff in various industries and public service. Most countries have a problem. What governments can control is the cost of living, in some areas and the big one in Canada will be the increasing of interest rates. If they keep going up, the federal Liberals could lose their hold on the P.M.s office. Last time the interest rates went up, in the early 80s, the cost of homes were lower in relationship to income. This time round, the cost of homes is higher in relationship to income.
    Last time the interest rates went up the parents of the baby boomers, known as the blessed ones”, had a fair amount of money in the bank and owned their own homes–they’d been paid for.

    This election, my take on it is, interest rates will be the big issue. Shortages in health care staffing will be an issue, but it takes about 6 to 7 years to get a doctor up and running and nurses anywhere from 2 to 5 years. Shortages of police officers, well governments don’t have control over who wants to join the police services and the same goes for other jobs.

    When election time comes, Trudea may be re elected because P.P. is just so unlikeable and lets not forget he was part of a government which passed 9 pieces of federal legistlation Harper was told were in violation of the Constitution. He still passed them through parliament and then they were over turned in the Supreme Court. Some of those cases are still working through the legal system–sentencing issues.

    Perhaps the Alberta elections next year will demonstrate where the voters of Canada are headed.

    (Response: Alberta, of course, is not Canada: like the American states, provinces each have their own unique cultures, attitudes, priorities based on their differing histories and ethnicities. But I’m sensing there is one thing they are now developing in common, just like in the US: a feeling that too many of today’s immigrants, attracted here in large numbers by Liberal immigration policies, are not absorbing into Canadian society, but trying to push it aside, replacing it with their own “back home” cultures, complete with old country values, beliefs, biases and even hates. Quebec is the most glaring example of a backlash against that. That all does not bode well for our future … and it will be interesting to see if Poilievre and the Conservatives try to exploit that. h.o)

    • e.a.f. says:

      their own back home ciultures, complete with old country values …..etc.

      Well so did the immigrants of yester years. In the 1950s, lots of immigrants kept to their cultural/religious roots. Many had their own churches, which spoke their own languages. There weren’t a whole lot of them, i.e. there was only one “Dutch” church, but there weren’t so many of us. The Catholics–there were Italian churches, Portugese Churches, the list goes on. The Chinese Presbyterian church has been there a long time and there were other dominations which had their own languages, culture, etc which they brought with them from Europe.

      Old Country values, you bet and when you consider it was the 1950s there were still a lot of hard feelings about the Axis countries. Parents wanted their kids to marry within their own ethnic background and if they didn’t well at least they wanted them to marry a European fromthe area their country had been in.

      As to Quebec’s backlash, it isn’t about them being “replaced” by immigrants, its about racism. Quebec certainly did enough to ensure people from China, Hong Kong continued to be able to come into Canada–they paid $850K and in they came. Of course many got on the next jet to Vancouver, but still Quebec welcomed if not them, their money Even if immigrants of colour all spoke French and converted to Catholism they still wouldn’t like them. I can recall after one defeat of a referendum a pro seperation politicians saying it was the fault of the immigrants. Some in the Italian commuity took the position, they had come to Canada not a seperate part of Canada and they wanted to be able to speak in English. Legauilt has passed legislation which in the end will result in more immimgrants and those of immigrant descent leaving Quebec. I’m not convienced he or some one else will try for another referendum and demand more autonomy

      It was reported, back in the day, i.e. 1990s that some people from China thought Richmond ought to be more in turne with their views, practises, etc. but these days, it doesn’t seem to be there.

      Celebrating other cultures festive seasons is a great idea. My two favorite are Vaisakhi and Chinese New Year. As a kid it was Ukrainian Christmas and Chinese New Years. In Richmond in the 1950, 60, 70s there were a lot of people of Ukrainian descent or had been born there along with people of Japanese descent or had been born there. While we were growing up their was “back lash” regarding all us immigrants. It wasn’t pleasant. Now most people dont’ even know where other people’s ancestors come from unless of course you are a person of colour. When I was in high school, a kid whose parents were Ukrainian was told by the British descent–still had the accent, would not be accepted in the the RCMP because he was Ukrainian. He’d been born in Canada. Stuff went on like that all the time–that was the “backlash” of the day.

      Currently the House stands at 204–Democrats and 214 for Republicans. That isn’t a bad result for a mid term, when the party not in the White House can lose as many as 60 seats. If that translated into Canada, because we have other parties, it could well still leave the federal Liberals in office. Even if the NDP were wiped out, it is doubtful some of the Quebec Parties would support the federal Conservatives, unless of course they were handsomely paid and that price might be too much for PP

      (Response: Nothing wrong with keeping the old languages or culture. As you say, many Europeans who came here last century did …and are still proud of their heritage. BUT immigrants and refugees MUST leave their hatreds and biases at home! Most do …but from what I see, increasing numbers are not doing that … and other Canadians are starting to resent that. h.o)

  2. Stu de Baker says:

    My ancestors arrived on the shores of New Brunswick sometime around 1850 and became Canadians as soon as they were eligible and followed the Oregon Trail to the west coast and eventually settled on the sunshine coast in 1887 in a rowboat.

    I have visited all the Irish and UK birth and burial sights going back to 1844. I cherish the history, the short lives, the lore and culture that was then.

    One generation below me, that’s under 50s and there isn’t much appetite for Canadian history, tradition or culture, if there ever was a Canadian culture. Two Generations below me, that’s under 30s, and they don’t much care about last year, let alone when or how, their ancestors got here.

    A grandson in Vancouver is one of two Caucasians in his class. Each of those other two dozen children, celebrate their cultures, with dance, music and festivals. We all attend and enjoy the festivals of others and take part in some oleo of those cultures on Canada Day without anything we call our own.

    The train of diluting change is unstoppable.

    (Response: Immigrants …from anywhere …have helped develop and grow Canada into the wonderful place it is to live. But I find more and more Canadians (like Americans) are feeling that too many Asian/Muslim immigrants today are NOT trying to fit in asap … as our ancestors did … but instead are deliberately setting themselves apart, importing their old country biases, prejudices and hatreds, dismissing the cultures of others and even hiring only their own. Many Americans feel that is happening there too …with Hispanics (not Asians). This change is not good; that is not what Canada is about …and almost everyone who has revealed those perceived feelings to me blame Trudeau/Liberals for the changes you also cite. It will be interesting to see if Poilievre/Conservatives pick up on and exploit those growing sentiments. h.o)

  3. D,M. Johnston says:

    Preface:

    It now seems that the American mid term elections were a big loss to Trump and the MAGA (cult) movement. Trump anointed 2020 election deniers did poorly.

    This should concern Pierre Poilievre far more than Trudeau, as the MAGA spillover, the Ottawa convoy, is going somewhat badly for the obstructionists.

    Bitcoin, another Pierre Poilievre talking point has now gone into the dumper and cryptocurrency has reveal;ed itself as the scam it always was.

    As I have stated before, I an no fan of Trudeau, especially now with the looming “China” scandal hovering over the party, but for now, Trudeau looks a lot less scary than Poilievre and with Singh and the NDP disappearing into obscurity, I think Trudeau will will another term.

    On soapbox:

    You are dead right about; “…….. already signs in BC that Canada’s historical Judeo/Christian heritage is being pushed aside/disrespected.” This unease is slowly growing into unreast.

    My wife is Asian and a Christian, by faith, yet she is also discriminated against because of her religion. In BC the Christian religion (I am agnostic at best) is being undermined in favour of other more exotic beliefs. As always, the Jewish faith is always the first to be derided and insulted.

    The media, as lazy as it has become, has taken the easy way out as very few complain about criticisms against Christian churches and almost no one complains about insults to the Jewish faith.

    In BC, the top of the pecking order are the First nations and Metis and they seem they can do no wrong; the rest are graded in politcal importance by government. The large variety of Christian sects has weakened the Christian religion to the point of new evangelical/mystical religious orders emerging, each full of bile and hate to those who ar not “believers”. Again, one of the oldest religions, the Jewish Faith are ignored.

    From m y viewpoint, there are now separate laws for different cultures as politicians try to briber the ethnic voter in Canada’s version of culture wars.

    Our housing crisis, in part, has been caused by extremely wealthy immigrants, who earned their money without the taxes and laws that Canadians pay, buying houses in bulk.

    In Canada, the playing field is no longer level, but has tilted in favour to the wealthy immigrant, where questionable monies, enter our economy, mailing it somewhat toxic for born here, in Canada.

    The backlash is coming and it is coming fast with the Millennials, who feel they have been sold out by Gen-X. A politician, able to capitalize on this, will be successful.

    Off Soapbox.

    Postscript:

    As of tonight, according to Reuters, the Democrats have a one seat lead in the Senate; 206 mseats in the House, but the Republicans are four seats short of a majority; Georgia will have a runoff election, which may further muddy the waters.

    (Response: Judging by the very high numbers of middle class Americans who still voted Republican, despite the spreading stains of Trump’s autocratic bent, his lies and all those miscreants who surround him, there is REAL dissatisfaction with the Democrats for their failure to address bread and butter issues. I believe those same sentiments are growing in Canada … an increasing dissatisfaction with Trudeau/Liberals for their similar failings. But the question remains whether Poilievre/Conservatives have learned the lessons of the US midterms and will be able to successfully apply them in Canada. h.o)

    • e.a.f. says:

      Regarding will Poilievre, etc. learn lessons from the U.S.A mid terms, it is doubtful. He is too arogant.

      As to immigrant groups not trying to fit in, you don’t really know that. What you consider “trying to fit in” maybe very different from what they consider trying to fit in. Many come from countries where not just the language is different, but their clothes, and their religion some times also have dietary restrictions.
      When people are immigrants and the others already here don’t like immigrants there is nothing you can do to cause them to like you or accept you, etc. When you are a person of colour, the first thing most whites see is your colour. Doesn’t matter if you’re second, third or fourth generation you are still not considered Canadian and people do make disgusting remarks to you. It happened to a friend of mine in a resturant some years ago.

      Once I moved from where I grew up, no one asked about my ethnicity or made comments on it because I was oh, so very white.

      In Bob Williams book he mentions there was one City of Vancouver Dept. you could not work in, if you were not British. It was interesting because I recall hearing my Mom say you didn’t work there unless you had a British last name.
      Why should immigrants even try to “be accepted” in this country, when they never will be by many. For those who wonder why do they come here then. Because there isn’t a fear of war and there is plenty of food in this country.

      (Response: I have no doubt most Canadians welcome and appreciate immigrants/refugees and the contributions they make to our economy and our society. However, with such large numbers in recent years from Asia, Mid-East and South America, rather than JOINING Canadian society, too many seem to be trying to recreate “back Home” here ..complete with their biases and hatreds. Remember Air India? The repeated incidents of crowds gathering DESPITE COVID restrictions and locking Vancouver streets to support India’s farmers? The growing anti-Semitic diatribes on the Internet my Muslim imams and Muslim newspapers? The attacks against Jews and Jewish institutions in the guise of anti-Israel protests? When people come here, they should leave their old country hatreds behind … or just stay back there! h.o)

  4. Harry Lawson says:

    Harvey,

    Welcome back.

    The Republican results came as a direct result of the Democrats being able to harness the under 30 demographic to was enough to swing several seats.

    The lesson is all demographics count.

    Trudeau needs to really court the senior demographic if he wishes to cut into a conservative wave.

    (Response: Doesn’t look to me like Trudeau’s agenda (increasing immigration, raising carbon taxes and pouring billions into one-sided reconciliation propaganda) will win many votes among struggling seniors. I believe they are ripe for Poilievre … if he doesn’t blow it all with some really weird Bitcoin gambits or warring with the Bank of Canada. h.o)

    • D,M. Johnston says:

      Sadly, government at all levels firmly believe they can solve climate change and global warming by taxing people. The politicians have bought into this grift, they double down on more taxes, with no thought to the poor.

      The carbon tax is nothing more than a slick shell game and nothing more and is doing absolutely nothing to help global warming. Wee Greta understands this.

      All government is doing (Trudeau, Eby/Horgan, etc.) is spend money on prestigious mega projects to make good photo-ops at election time.

      Example, we will spend over $11 billion – yes $11 billion!!! – to extend the SkyTrain light metro system a mere 21.7 km, yet according to TransLink, the Surrey/Langley/SkyTrain (SLS) will carry fewer riders than the Broadway 99-B express bus and the Broadway subway will carry 11,000 fewer passengers per hour per direction than would justify building a subway.

      I have been told by a credible source that for the entire $11 billion project (includes the $3 billion plus mid life rehab of which $1.47 billion has already been contracted for a new signalling system) will not take a car off the road.

      If Poilievre wants to be PM, he must cut his MAGA style spiel and bring commons sense back to parliament as Trudeau is vulnerable. If he doesn’t Trudeau will squeak in another minority government. As for the NDP, Singh has throttled the life blood out of that party and they are seen as an archaic appendage of the Liberal party.

      As I am a senior now, I see first hand pensioners shifting through dumpsters for food. I know of an informal Co-Op where stale dated food is distributed to the poor, the elderly, and the infirm instead of going to the dump. If caught, serious ramifications may happen.

      This is the Canada of today; this is the Canada our politicians, Liberal, Conservative, and NDP have brought us too. I say, a pox on all their houses, this isn’t the Canada I once knew.

  5. e.a.f. says:

    every time I see the $11B figure on a short run of track for Sky Train, it makes me sick. $11BILLION is a lot of money and it had best be spent on things such as health care, bigger pensions for seniors, disabled, etc. There is something sick about seniors having to go through the garbage for food and spending $11BILLION on a sky train. building a few more roads would be just so less expensive and buses will be just as good and less expensive. The argument we usually hear is “rapid” transit is good for the enviornment. Well in my opinion, its better for the health of those who can’t afford food to have food. $11BILLION would be a real shot in the arm for affordable housing for working families

    We’re running out of beds for kids this winter in Canada. a spare $11BILLION would be nice to put into pediatrics. Let people sit in traffic a little longer, it won’t kill them but not enough intensive care beds for children will.

    Yes, Harvey I agree the “battles” ought to be left in their prior countries of origin. Yes, the Air India murders were awful and ought not to have happened.
    As to the gatherings of ethnic groups during the first covid crisis, that wasn’t good, but then have a look at the “convoy” to Ottawa. Looked like a lot of white people to me. Lets not forget all those “christian” churchs which refused to mask up. There are idiots in all ethnic groups.

    There are most likely as many Islanic nutbars vilifying Jews as there are Christians vilifying Jews or those without religion. Its always fun to stand there and have some one spew stupid messages out of their mouths. Then you look at them and say, That is my family you’re talking about. Should see the looks on their faces. Then the sputtering starts and back peddling. My response is usually, my Grandfather is/was the last remaining Jew of his family. the rest were murdered in the Holocaust.

    Mom always said it could happen again. Those words came to mind when I saw the racists marching around Charlettesville chanting, Jews will not replace us. We can replace Jews with other religiious groups such as Muslims. We have seen enough attacks on Muslims and their temples. Its not good for any group to vilify another based on religion and/or colour of skin.

    It has never mattered to me what people think, its just when they act on those thoughts or start verbalizing on them. As one person once said to me, we can’t change what people think, but we can change how they behave.

  6. R says:

    Top 2 annually to come to Canada are -China ,India .
    Canada looks to 1/2 million a year total from all counties.

    https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/unlimited-number-of-flights-between-india-canada-soon-justin-trudeau-3520197/amp/1

    (Response: When I am in the US, I often meet people who admire Canada (health care, no guns, no violent political divisions, a kinder, gentler society) and whenever it looks like the US will go Trump again or his deniers, many show a great interest in moving to Canada …and they’re not just joking. Yet, I NEVER see any Government of Canada ads talking about our opportunities. jobs available, safer society, health care … and providing info where they could actually inquire. Canada is missing an opportunity there … not to replace Asian immigration, but complement it. h.o)

  7. Not Sure says:

    I am interested in your take on immigrants. Here is your response to e.a.f.

    “… too many of today’s immigrants … are not absorbing into Canadian society, but trying to push it aside, replacing it with their own “back home” cultures, complete with old country values, beliefs, biases and even hates.”

    My immediate reaction was WHAT! That is just feeding the anti-immigrant bigots who are responsible for most of the race motivated attacks. This surprised me. I know you favour immigration. I know you oppose the Quebec laws that are directed toward immigrants, calling those laws racist. So I was puzzled. Having read more of your comments I believe your thoughts are far more nuanced that what I just quoted.

    But those opinions are out there.

    I can already sense that I could write pages on this so I will try to be brief. Here is some stuff I read since you posted. The sources I used are legit but I may have misread so if I am wrong on something let me know.

    We need immigrants if we want to maintain our standard of living. We don’t have enough young people entering the work force to replace those of use retiring or already retired to supply us with a liveable pension as one example.

    Immigrants fill that void. About 2/3 of our immigrants are in the core working age group of 24-54. About 5% are over 65 and another 5% are 55-65. The rest are under 24.

    Europeans and Americans are not coming here because why would they. Their countries are doing just fine. We don’t get many Japanese for the same reason. So the bulk of our immigrants come from Asia – India, China, the Philippines – and the Caribbean and Africa.

    Right now, about 70% of Canadians identify as white. 5% are Indigenous and the other 25% are from non-white ethnicities. This is a big change from 1961 when it was 2%. (I grew up in East Van and my grade one photo from 1957 shows one Asian kid. The rest of us white as snow. I am sure a picture from a class at Lord Beaconsfield today would show a much different mix.

    So our demographics are changing and will continue to change. And that will be determined by economic decisions. We could slow the economy and bring in fewer immigrants but right now we can expect 500,000 immigrants in 2024 and most of them, as now, will come from Asia and Africa.

    Do I feel threatened by this? Not really. Our values (whatever they are) are strong enough to withstand any threats. We just need to be patient. It is a real struggle for immigrants to feel accepted in a strange place even if we are accepting. It is hard to navigate the bureaucracy to get the supports all Canadians deserve when your language skills are weak. But the second and third generation of those families do not have those same difficulties and most are highly successful. The Asian boy in my class photo. One of my best friends growing up. His dad opened a tailor when he came to Canada. My friend owned a construction company. His daughter is a French immersion teacher.

    I do agree with you that immigrants coming to Canada should leave their grievances behind. But how are we going to test for that when they make application. And how can we judge them any more harshly than the too many Canadians who also have horrible bigoted opinions and sadly act on them.

    Worthwhile topic to discuss. Sorry for the length.

    (Response: Yes, I do support and even welcome immigration as a way of growing both our population, our cultural diversity and our economy. After all, let’s not forget … EVERYONE here is a product of immigration. But the title of this blog is Keeping it Real and, unlike the MSM, I will not bury my head in the sand and, for the sake of political correctness or just out of fear of offending anyone, pretend that what I see happening is not happening. When Global BC’s Newshour …for the first time ever … downplays, in my opinion, the important meaningful religious significance of Christian holidays like Easter and Christmas (treats them more like partying and shopping occasions) and totally ignores MAJOR Jewish holidays like Passover, Rosh Hoshanah and Yom Kippur (unless I missed it all?) …but gives LOTS of detailed coverage of East Indian and Islamic holidays … it deserves being pointed out ..and discussed. But don’t ignore my main point: looking at the US midterms and the millions who did vote Republican …not just the idiot fringe … and WHY, I believe there are important messages in that for Canada/Poilievre/Trudeau. There are growing, simmering resentments and concerns that too many immigrants are not even trying to assimilate, but just set up their own “back home” communities here …along with lots of ancient hates/biases. Take a look at those racist xenophobic laws passed in Quebec: I think they’re disgusting, but they did not just come out of the blue! And if Trudeau/Liberals ignore what happened there, and what I sense are concerns growing among many across the country, Poilievre may not. h.o)

  8. daniel says:

    Nice to see that you’re back Harvey. I hope you had a good trip.
    I’m attaching an article I just read. I hope people find it interesting.
    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/canadians-divided-on-ottawas-plan-to-admit-more-immigrants-poll/ar-AA14arcZ?li=AAggNb9

    (Response: Really interesting article: seems to confirm my own observations …that a growing number of Canadians are having concerns and reservations about the negative impacts we are now seeing with high immigration numbers. I don’t believe it’s that Canadians don’t want immigrants/refugees or don’t realize the ways the vast majority help our country: but clearly there are feelings that to many are not JOINING our society, but instead are RECREATING their old country societies, complete with the biases, division and even hates they should have left behind. h.o)

  9. Gilbert says:

    The Democrats did better than expected because they had good turnout and many of the Republican candidates were too closely associated with Donald Trump. Ron DeSantis is a better choice for the Republicans than the former president. The results in Florida were excellent for the Republicans.

    I see that Justin Trudeau has upset President Xi. It’s not surprising that a leader who doesn’t understand diplomacy has leaked information to the press. As for Chinese interference in the last election, Prime Minister Trudeau won’t do anything about it because it was to his benefit.

    Regarding the next election, I sense the prime minister is in trouble. Staying in a $6000 a night suite while in London was excessive. It’s clear that the use of the Emergencies Act was an abuse of power, but why should that surprise us since he admires the basic Chinese dictatorship? I’m sure many Canadians now understand that it’s better to have a hard-working, intelligent leader who understands diplomacy and the need to connect with ordinary Canadians.

    (Response: I also think Trudeau could be in trouble … if he seeks another term .. and if Poilievre exploits Canadians’ growing fatigue with feeling pushed aside, ignored, over-taxed, “wokeism” as well as what many see as pandering and First Nations’ shakedown payoffs. And also if Poilievre pushes the right campaign political promises buttons, without coming over as too radical or a kook. h.o)

  10. RIsaak says:

    The seemingly endless attempts to compare Canadian federal politics to ours is getting rather tiring and often contains many falsehoods.

    Both US parties are somewhere between the Conservatives and the PPC. The US Democrats are just as hawkish on foreign trade and often this stance catches us as the largest trading partner in close proximity. Say what you wish, fearmonger all you want but this is a fact, one which makes the Liberals & NDP super nervous. The Liberals who are stuck in the middle ground of no real, stand alone concepts always has to beg, borrow, steal or capitulate to others who occupy stances far more unique and often far more focused on the real issues of the nation, not just trying to scoff someone else’s positions.

    PP realizes that just like the 90’s the upstart PPC is a factor (one which served to anoint Trudeau) due to vote splitting on the right, the PPC’s votes had they gone Conservative would have seen a different PM. He is merely trying to include the PPC crowd in the Conservative/Reform coalition, any other take is delusional. In the riding i live in the Conservative got 58% & PPC got 11%, NDP finished 2nd and Team Trudeau was handed a plywood participation medal! My riding is not to different from many in rural regions of the West.

    Paltry politics played out by Trudeau on the notwithstanding mess in Ontario is but a concession to union groups, albeit one without any real effect until Trudeau grows a set large enough to open up the constitution (nothing he’ll ever do because of fear of losing Quebecois support as the Quebec govt. is by far the most serial abuser of the notwithstanding clause) to reign in the racist leanings of many Quebecois.

    Immigration & policing have both been punted somewhat down the food chain to lower levels of govt., something which over the long term only kneecaps efficient delivery of both govt. services. I think we can add healthcare into the same group, efficiencies are a forgotten art, bloated, multiple authorities with far too many non medical employees has sadly become the standard, one which fails to meet the needs of the public & really only increases the reasons for a private/public duopoly.

    Cleansing history is a classic example of delusional wokeism, history is one of the greatest teaching aids we have to shape the conscious reality of future generations, attempting to sanitize history only creates more ignorance and opportunity for the advantage seekers, full stop.

    America has many problems, we have just as many and we need to get our house in order before running amok pointing hypocritical fingers at other nations, just my .02 from the sticks.

    (Response: I think in your first line you must mean “compare AMERICAN” federal politics to ours? It’s true there are substantial differences between the US and Canadian systems of governance, election structure, rules and funding. However, when it comes down to PEOPLE, despite the extremists/activists and just plain disgraceful characters who get so much attention, I believe there are many similarities between most Canadians’ and Americans’ when it comes to lifestyles, personal and family goals, financial pressures etc. That’s why it looks to me like the fact that so many millions of American voters moved right and turned the House (ie Commons) over to the Republicans (but are not part of the Trump MAGA/denial crowd or Marjorie Taylor Green type idiots) there IS a message in that for Canadian political leaders, strategists and political junkies. Watch how Poilievre positions himself over the next few months …and if Trudeau changes tack also to reflect see that popular shift as well. h.o)

  11. Gilbert says:

    I don’t understand the criticism of Marjorie Taylor Greene. She’s too closely associated with the former president, but she shares many of my views. She doesn’t want open borders or illegal immigrants, believes there are only two sexes, doesn’t want to redefine marriage and believes victims should have more rights than criminals.

    She is also a successful businesswoman. It tells me she knows how to balance a budget and hire people. She has a life outside politics.

    I love that she doesn’t believe the government should control every aspect of people’s lives and believes in a strong private sector. She’s both a fiscal and social conservative. I definitely prefer her to the radical leftist Nancy Pelosi.

    (Response: It has nothing to do with her being a fiscal or social conservative. Go on YouTube (or other sites) and search out some of the things she has said … or just Google “marjorie taylor greene quotes” … and when you stop laughing (or crying) you should understand. She’s a total idiot …and it makes me wonder about the people of her district in Georgia, if she’s the brightest they can send to Congress! h.o)

    • D. M. Johnston says:

      Ya ………..Marjorie Taylor Greene, one of Trump’s fav’s and rumoured to be his running mate in 2024.

      She is a total nutter.

      In 2018, a poorly maintained electrical grid sparked a California wildfire that killed 84 people. In a Facebook post in November of that year, Greene falsely speculated that darker forces were at work.

      Marjorie Taylor Greene suggested a bank controlled by the Rothschild family, who are Jewish, a utility company responsible for the fire and then-Gov. Jerry Brown had a compelling motive to spark the blaze: clearing the path for a high speed rail project Brown wanted. She also floated the possibility that the fires could have been started by “lasers or blue beams of light” shot down from space by allies of Brown who were said to be in the solar energy industry.

      “There are too many coincidences to ignore,” she wrote.

      Some more quotes by Marjorie Taylor Greene:

      “As I’ve said repeatedly, Joe Biden in the White House is a threat to America’s safety and security.”

      “For the entire four years of the greatest Presidential term of our lifetime, Democrats led by Speaker Pelosi and radical Socialists in her party attempted coup after coup against President Donald Trump.”

      “COVID is apparently the political tool to stop all of America, but yet if you’re an illegal alien coming into America, you’re welcome in with open arms and given every opportunity.”

      “I’m proud to cosponsor the Life at Conception Act which grants rights to babies at the moment they are conceived, and the Born Alive Protection Act, that will protect innocent lives who miraculously escape death.”

      (Response: One thing that does separate Canadians from Americans is that although we have politicians from the far left to the far right … and we can witness many disagreements on policies, principles etc. and even have the occasional corrupt miscreants get into office, I can’t remember in Canada (municipally, provincially or federally), seeing so many absolutely ultra-disgusting individuals and ignoramuses actually getting elected to office as I’ve seen in the US … mostly extreme Republicans but a few Democrats too. Our voters, regardless of political leanings, seem to be more discerning in weeding out lunatics and complete idiots. h.o)

  12. Not Sure says:

    That was an interesting poll that Daniel posted. But I don’t know if 49% of the people saying that 500,000 new immigrants is too many means “that there are feelings that too many are not JOINING our society, but instead are RECREATING their old country societies, complete with the biases, division and even hates they should have left behind”.

    The poll found that 75% of respondents were worried that the plan would result in excessive demand for housing as well as health and social services. Which is definitely a legitimate concern considering many Canadians are feeling that crunch without another half million people to add to the strain.

    The author of the poll suggested that the government needs to do a better job of explaining why those 50o,000 new immigrants are needed. We need to fill about a million vacant jobs and our birth rate has been no where near high enough to fill that void.

    Here is another interesting article.

    https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/macdougall-liberals-immigration-policy-could-set-a-trap-for-pierre-poilievre

    As the poll that Daniel posted points out immigration has become more politicized. Conservatives are more likely to see that number as too high while Liberals are not as worried. So how can Polievre use the immigration policy to his advantage.

    Well he can make an economic argument. We need the people but we also need to ensure that we have the housing and the doctors and nurses and the infrastructure like transit for not only them but for all Canadians struggling for those services. He can also argue for more job opportunities outside the major urban areas especially Toronto Vancouver and Montreal where the vast majority of immigrants end up.

    But there is a risk in this. If it looks like he is attacking immigrants maybe suggesting that they are “deliberately setting themselves apart, importing their old country biases, prejudices and hatreds” he may be appealing to People Party supporters but few others.
    Given that his wife comes from an immigrant family, I don’t think he will take that route.

    (Response: Many people don’t respond to polls or, if they do, are reluctant to say exactly why they are against certain government policies/proposals. I think most Canadians …seeing the shortage of people to fill so many jobs in so many fields and with baby boomers now retiring and our relatively low birth rate …realize we need immigrants … lots of them. Yet many say 500,000 is too much…too fast. That is the clue to government and politicians to start paying attention that something is awry. If immigrants blend in, take up Canadian mores, adapt to our ways and respect others (of differing ethnicities/religions etc) I don’t think people would feel we’re taking in too many, too fast. But if you are of European Judeo-Christian background and turn on the TV and feel like you are now the outsider in your own country and see lots of fawning over Chinese, East Indian and Islamic holidays/beliefs/culture …but Christian holidays/beliefs/cultures are being given short shrift (and Jewish holidays/beliefs/culture are now dismissed completely) no one should be surprised if you react and are resentful. And the fact that so many see projected immigration increases are too many too fast is a manifestation of that ..and woe to the politician who doesn’t see that! h.o)

  13. Gilbert says:

    Yes, I see your point. She has made comments that are anti-Catholic and anti-semitic. She seems to be very intolerant of those who don’t share her views, and she has called Nancy Pelosi a traitor who should be executed. Such a comment is completely unacceptable. In Canada, it’s unlikely that such a candidate would get elected.

    (Response: I agree: it’s unlikely (hopefully) that a candidate saying such things would get elected in Canada. People can have very divergent views on issues, but it boggles the mind that in the US, so many individuals who say/act so despicably so often (nothing to do with their policies) are rewarded by voters. h.o)

  14. Marge says:

    If it is happening in Europe it could happen here:

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/rising-tide-of-immigration-to-europe-pushing-continent-s-politics-to-the-right-experts-say/ar-AA14hVwx?cvid=6d608dbd97cc401498279d2dacd382a4#comments

    (Response: Canadians today largely support welcoming legitimate refugees and although there was a problem on our southern border for a while with economic migrants, that seems to have abated. And thanks to our geography, Canada need not worry about hundreds of boatloads of economic migrants arriving weekly from Africa or the Middle East. But I detect a growing dissatisfaction with legal and legitimate immigrants who are not joining our society or respecting our traditions and history, but are openly pushing them aside and trying instead to IMPOSE “back home” beliefs, intolerance and even hatreds. The media have reported widespread increasing “incidents” of pushback …even the growth of new discriminatory laws in Quebec, but haven’t yet realized or are afraid to look at the nationwide political implications of that. h.o)

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