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Vancouver Radio Ratings: Out With the Old …

June 9th, 2014 · 41 Comments

….  in with the new!

All those old radio strategists and old radio apologists who told their bosses that radio is inevitably a dying entity … giving way to Internet and social networking … have just been proved TERRIBLY WRONG!

The latest radio ratings from the BBM rating service shows radio is alive and well in Vancouver … on stations that have appealed to the younger demographic by bringing in young, energetic hosts who have left their competing old farts in the dust.

The Beat 95.5 FM now leads the pack .. in both the key 25-54 age group AND the 18-49 age demographic … with a 7.3 ratings score in BOTH categories.

The Beat bills itself as a “hit music” station, but it’s their on-air (or should I say “on” hair?)  young hosts who have captured the attention and listening audience.

It’s Jonny, Holly and Nira (never heard of them? … You will!) all of them well-coiffed and, on The Beat website,  looking like they’re in their 20s … who are leading the way from 5:30 a.m. to 9 a.m.

“They’re up bright and early with you every weekday morning starting at 5:30! Don’t miss horoscopes at 5:45am, all the hot topics of the day, 5 calls says it all and all their friends’ drama!

Plus – Vancouver’s #1 Hit Music, all the hottest concert tickets, trips, cash and the latest celeb gossip with The Biz @ 6:25, 7:25 and 8:25am”, touts The Beat promos.

Then at 9 a.m. … get out the hair products again … it’s Chris Palliser … whose high energy on-air “beat” goes right up to 2 p.m. … far too long a stretch for any of the old codgers still being employed at stations where ratings have been in free fall for some time.

Here’s how the station describes him:

“A Vancouver Island boy who spent many a day in the office during elementary school for talking in class, and he is one of the few people who received a detention in college for talking A LOT during a lecture…can they even do that?!?

“So needless to say radio school was an easy choice. Upon graduation, Fort McMurray Alberta came a calling and Chris said hmmm -40 winters, let’s do it! After a few years there he was off to a much warmer climate…Edmonton….after another couple of -35 winters…it was time to head back home to the West Coast and The Beat 94.5!

“He is a guy who enjoys meeting people, laughing, being outdoors, concerts, movies, music, the smell of the ocean, Canucks, the grouse grind (that’s a lie) and of course talking!”

Get it? A “boy” whose profile posting talks about his new Mazda 6 … not the latest high-end wine, or trip overseas or weekend away at his/her coastal retreat.

And it’s working…. with the station leading all other local stations.

The Beat at 7.3 ratings points is followed by QM-FM 103.5 at 6.2; Jack FM 96.9 at 5:7; and, Z 95.3 at 5.3 ratings points.

Notice they’re ALL FM music-orientated stations.

If talk is not dead, it seems to be dying in Vancouver … I believe a victim of its own failure to refresh and renew with interesting, challenging talk show hosts..

The old daddy, CKNW 980 A.M. …once the Top Dog … is now a tired, old pooch, judging by the BBM numbers.

NW comes in NINTH with a measly 1.9 ratings points in the 18-49 younger generation of radio listeners … and this surprised me … TWELFTH even in the wider 25 to 54 age category.

And in case you’re curious, the lowest rated Vancouver area radio station among the 19 catalogued was Team 1410 … scoring only 0.1 and 0.2 in the two age groups.  Not good news also for Bro Jake on the other Team Station, 1040, where the ratings are 1.5 (18-49) and 1.9 (25-54)!

The results should also be of some concern to Corus Entertainment, with FOUR stations in the Vancouver market: NONE of them in the top five.

The best Corus could come up with in the 25-54 age group is a sixth place for Rock 101;  followed by Fox 99.3 in 8th; NW in 12th; and AM 730 in 18th place ..out of 19!

Maybe if they add up ALL their listeners, they could reach the number the Top Dog alone used to attract.

Harv Oberfeld

Tags: British Columbia · Media

41 responses so far ↓

  • 1 a.j.27 // Jun 9, 2014 at 11:20 am

    I would hope that the old ”top dogs” of radio vancouver now realize that if they are going to ‘parrot’ what governments tell them and report that as news ,the listener(myself included) will just not listen to them anymore.

  • 2 Larry Bennett // Jun 9, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    Oh right, just what I’m needin’ – “celeb gossip”. It is kinda like Malcolm Parry in the Sun paper who thinks I might even know who the Hell he’s talking about. I don’t know these people nor do I want to. And if I have to see another piece of so-called art by Douglas Coupland, I’m going to barf. They used to say that politics was show-business for ugly people, I say that showbusiness (today) IS ugly people. Where’s the glamour, where’s the talent? Lady Gaga, the monstrosties that they plunk down all over the Lower Mainland?
    I’ll be okay now that I got that off my chest.

    (Response: The bill will be in the mail. h.o)

  • 3 motorcycleguy // Jun 9, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    Once in a while I press the wrong button on my car radio and land up on CKNW. I hear a lot of the same advertisers. I write to them every time I do not buy something from them (always mentioning the competitor I went to and the value of the product purchased). Recently, due to a rash of failing home appliances, that value has been quite high.

  • 4 D. M. Johnston // Jun 9, 2014 at 3:42 pm

    It seems that the Liberal/CORUS orchestrated firing of Rafe Mair has come back to haunt ‘NW. Sadly, NW is very tired, so tired it has turned into a dollar a holler, spiced with right wing wing-nuts and Liberal propagandists, excuse of a radio station. The once mighty ‘NW is now extraordinarily ordinary, a radio station that has nothing to offer, except the same old tired Liberal schtick and just think, it is CORUS’s fault and nobody else.

  • 5 Norm Farrell // Jun 9, 2014 at 6:17 pm

    Love your lines about Alberta temperatures. Years ago, I spent 1.5 years in Edmonton, two winters and one summer, which is considerably different from two summers and one winter.

    When we moved there from Vancouver, this SW-coast boy had no experience with really cold cold. First time, the frigid temperatures hit, I was numb and asked an Albertan, What do people do when it hits 45 below and the wind blows hard. His response was, “That never happens, wind never blows when its colder than 40 below.”

    Well, not long after, Edmonton proved my friend wrong. That weather will stay in my memory forever.

    Corus has been in decline for a while and the Nov 2013 ratings I saw had them 16th in weekly cumes, with only CISL and Team1410 trailing. Because they are now relatively unattractive to advertisers, that probably explains why they employ the advertorial format on the morning talk show and pander to the Liberals throughout the week. That at least guarantees plenty of government advertising.

    There are a few hosts and news people whose work is good quality but who pays attention to flowers in a junkyard when there are better things to do. Just this weekend, one show featured a person flogging a false report of a pipeline poll. I remember the day when NW would be exposing that kind of trick instead of featuring it.

    I surmise that management thinks the present format works financially, if no artistically. After all, it is about advertisers, not listeners.

    (Response: At one time, I had hope for Simi Sara to add nee LIFE into NW …but alas, it’s pretty soft stuff. The other day, it was particularly bad in my own selfish view: she had a potentially good topic …on how sensitive the media are about themselves being criticised. Her guest..some guy from TORONTO plugging his own on-line Internet show about the media. Not a mention of all the blog items/discussions we’ve had on HERE about the media and ratings wars and deteriorating quality of TV, newspapers and radio … and, of course what really perturbed me, not a word about the price I have personally paid for my outspoken critiques … like being tossed off the Webster judging panel after I wrote about the media and being persona-non-grata at my old station (26 years there!). Either she hasn’t a clue …or lacked the guts to “keep it real” AND LOCAL in discussing the media. THAT kind of content would have made for interesting content … and maybe even HIGHER ratings! h.o)

  • 6 Ray Blessin // Jun 9, 2014 at 7:05 pm

    Huh?
    If I am near a radio that is turned on . . . .
    . . . . I turn it off!

  • 7 morry // Jun 9, 2014 at 8:34 pm

    CBC FM Radio is all I listen too. Lots of Music and Q in the morning. As for the rest … who cares.

  • 8 Larry Bennett // Jun 9, 2014 at 9:05 pm

    Harve, you seem to be impressed with “young and energetic” though I can’t for the life of me, understand why energy is needed to do radio. Obnoxious and mouthy might be closer to the mark. There used to be some good jazz and blues (not the far-out stuff) but mostly on FM as I recall, and when all else failed you might find some (not too pretentious) classical on CBC channels on either end of the scale. Unfortunately, I speak neither Chinese nor East Asian or, for that matter, French and it seems they get some of the of the most receptive areas of the dial – pity that! By the way, I don’t fit into any of our age groups, other than Old Farts! Oh yes, the cheque is in the mail.

    (Response: Wrong again on a number of points! It’s not so much that I am impressed with young and energetic … I don’t mind old and energetic either. But what’s clear is that RADIO LISTENERS are very impressed by YOUNG and energetic, judging by the ratings. As for not needing energy to do a radio show ..YOU try to put together four hours of songs, scripts to go in between songs, jokes, newsy comments …and then go sit there and do it four or five hours right through …without a bunch of “ummms” and “errrs” and “oops” all the way through. YOU wouldn’t last a day! And would probably be taken off the air … and/or sued the very next day! h.o)

  • 9 Barry // Jun 9, 2014 at 9:37 pm

    Q: What do you say when you see a funeral procession pass by?

    A: There goes another ‘NW listener [or on air personality]…

  • 10 Rafe's schadenfreude // Jun 9, 2014 at 9:41 pm

    I concur with your analysis of Simi. I also had high hopes for her show ,but, alas, they got to her. Her program the other day with the media critic left us wanting. She kept falling back on Good’s favourite defence: ” I’ve never been told what to say/write in all my years in the media” to which the obvious rejoinder is; they don’t have to tell you what to write/say ’cause they like and know what you’ll say/write. What’s lacking in this market is entertaining, informative, and yes, educational and in-your-face discussion of political and economic issues. The late 60′s and early 70′s in this town had it on FM Allan Garr, JBShayne, TD Mulligan, Jolly John Tanner… Jayzus, I could go on for hours.McComb seems to be the only one left with the cojones to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. God, I should get out more. Keep it up Harv, Norm, Mackin, laila, Ross K… We see you workin’!!!!

    (Response: You’re certainly right that bosses don’t normally need to interfere to ensure reporters and commentators today follow the company line: they do that in the selection and hiring. Now in the old days, stations like BCTV did have a LOT OF editorial freedom (remember Gracie’s finger, dirty tricks, Woodwards firings, my entire career of upsetting politicians!). I don’t think reporters can do that today..esp go after advertisers like we did. Of course, he dad to get it right … but if we did, we were given the freedom to do it …and the viewers lapped it up, tuning in EVERY NIGHT to watch and enjoy …and the station made MILLIONS in higher advertising rates. The other day I heard a Global radio ad …boasting they outnumber the competition three to one: we USED TO outdraw them FIVE and SIX to one!!! h.o)

  • 11 COORRIGAN 2014 // Jun 9, 2014 at 9:51 pm

    C’mon, Larry, switch to decaf. When watching Sun News I reccommend you slather yourself in SPF 50 from head to toe…it’s affecting your judgement. As an old fart myself, harv’s right on… Lots of room for old and entertaining. Come back Rafe, all is forgiven!

    (Response: You tell him!! :) Actually, the solution is NOT to bring back Rafe or Forsty or Harvey …it’s to find NEW Rafes, Frostys and Harveys (ok the last is impossible to replace!). Radio talk is fun …IF the hosts are fun; somewhat anti-establishment; and hopefully ALWAYS generally p/oed about the way the governments (federal and provincial and municipal and regional) spend the BILLIONS they take from us on all kinds of wasteful and pie in the sky projects, but have no more money for education, surgery wait lists, environment, child poverty, transit etc.). On air hosts should be ANGRY …not apologists. h.o)

  • 12 Larry Bennett // Jun 10, 2014 at 12:30 am

    Okay Harvey, I’ll take that reproach as somewhat deserved; of course there is going to be some research and preparatory work involved, even on a music station. Besides introducing the piece it is nice to have a little background, bio, whatever. I likely wouldn’t be interested in talk radio, we get enough of that on TV and the internet, I should think. Looking at the adverts for new stations on the SkyTrain platforms, one gets the impression there is to be lots of politically correct chit-chat and etc. – from, you know, the latest generation who think they discovered what sex is, and what to do about the environment and the generations that came before just bumbled through it all, somehow. The stuff about being sued, I don’t get – though I suppose it has something to do with being critical of art and what-not. It always slayed me how governments are quick to outlaw creches at Christmas or the public display of crucifixes and etc., but the depiction of one in a jar of the artist’s piss in public buildings is a most hallowed right, that they must defend at all cost.
    It was Joseph Sobran who first noted that with the continued acceptance of abortion, SSM, euthanasia and etc., God would soon have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah!

  • 13 13 // Jun 10, 2014 at 4:42 am

    NW is scraping the bottom of the barrel these days. Frequently the news story of the day will spring from someones producers experience on the way to work that day. An encounter with a drunk, a panhandler , a rude motorist. Riviting stuff. The average age and IQ of these producers seems very low. They all seem to walk to work or pedal. On the other hand the on air personalities are much older. Bill Good and Phil Till probabaly have socks that are older (and wiser) than their producers.

    It as always boils down to money. If you pay peanuts you get monkeys. Its a shame because with the boomers you would think that talk radio could be a huge market.

    (Response: Producing a daily radio show is not easy. Yes, there may be problems with lack of experience and historical BC/Canadian knowledge or the innate anger and sh*t-disturbing personality GREAT producers of the past in radio and tv used to display. And I believe it showed more often in the on-air topics, controversial issues discussed. Or maybe it’s those they work for who want to see what I would call a more-corporate-friendly and establishment-friendly broadcasts that now permeate the airwaves …except when Michael Smyth and Jon McComb are on air. h.o)

  • 14 nonconfidencevote // Jun 10, 2014 at 6:13 am

    ‘NW has sunk to 12th eh ?
    They DESERVE it !
    I used to listen to them daily. Frosty was brilliant, Raif was never dull.
    And what did they replace them with ?
    Phillip ( I used to dodge bullets in Lebanon) Till and Bill( poke me with a needle to wake me up) Good.
    Enough said.

    92.9 out of Bellingham has some pretty amusing DJ’s for the morning and plays 60′ and 70′s music.

    (Response: I’d love to see the contracts Good and Till must have!! Or maybe Corus thinks they’re great! And all the many critical listeners are just wrong. But when your 24-hour survey results drop from First to NINTH and TWELFTH something sure looks wrong. h.o)

  • 15 Mark // Jun 10, 2014 at 7:48 am

    The Mangy Cur started to go down hill as soon as they fired their seasoned reporters in favour of lower paid rip and read repeaters. The: Government/RCMP/Bank of Canada Governor makes a statement and it is repeated Ad nauseam with the same grammatical mistakes on the part of the reader. George Garrett or Jack Webster would weep.

    (Response: They either think that people don’t notice the changes or downward slide …or they don’t care! The ratings show people DO care … and will leave …apparently in droves when they feel bored or insulted by content. h.o)

  • 16 michael // Jun 10, 2014 at 9:39 am

    I agree with 13. The immaturity of the “Producers” on Phil and Bill Show is mind blowing.They are always whining about a self Perceived Injustice in their tiny lives
    Grow Up!! Go to India or Horrific African Countries experience real life as a Peace Corps Volunteer Thats real life “Bike Lane Lover”
    I also question the Standard of Graduating Quality from BC Broadcast Schools The News Readers rush through Their “Scripts” Mispronouncing stumbling,etc etc.It is pathetic to listen You are waiting for errors So off to CBC Am
    Some Quality still in the ether waves!!there
    Boomers love Talk like Me so a good opportunity is being wasted by cheapskate Corus and Ithink secretly Bill and Till must privately shudder at the Amateur Staff thay have to deal with Thats My rant
    Sad I even have to write these words!!

    (Response: We MUST say it. The Emperors of Radio today are wearing no clothes …and someone has to tell them: certainly wont by the kids they hire!So WE do by dwindling ratings and commentaries and comments …not aimed at being nasty …just keeping it real, trying to help them.And we know they spend lots of doing listener surveys too. But are they listening? When they go from first place to twelfth …we can be forgiven for wondering! h.o.)

  • 17 Larry Bennett // Jun 10, 2014 at 10:14 am

    Who knew this could be so thought provoking I mean, who listens to radio anymore anyway? That said I am about to go to SDA to listen to a 90 minute feed of Dinesh D’Souza being interviewed by Adam Carolla re: the state of America under its socialized president. Oi Vay! (SDA – Small Dead Animals)

  • 18 angela // Jun 10, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    Simi Sara had Arthur Griffiths on to talk about bringing back the NBA to Vancouver. Not one question as to how he went from owning BCTV, CKNW and the Canucks to bankruptcy protection.

    My question to you Harvey is whether CKNW can afford its overhead with declining advertising revenue. Isn’t their hand forced sooner rather than later?

    (Response: I have no idea about their finances…except I figure they’re saving a LOT from the way they’ve slashed their news operation. As for advertising, they are no doubt still making money …and maybe the Corus brass back East are happy with the steady even if smaller revenues… because sure doesn’t look like they’ve done much to stop the ratings slide. h.o)

  • 19 Larry Bennett // Jun 10, 2014 at 3:10 pm

    13 – Till and Good may have socks that are older and wiser (and might we add, less foul smelling than the biker boys) and, as you say when you pays peanuts you gets monkeys, and when you plants turnips, you gets turnips! I shouldn’t really comment as I don’t listen to these hotshots, but at least Phillip and Bill had personalities I identify with in certain ways that I doubt I could with this new crop of D.J.s. I think there can be expected generational differences, at the very least.

  • 20 Graham // Jun 10, 2014 at 6:05 pm

    I bought a lifetime subscription to SiriusXM years ago and have never looked back. No Can-Con or endless commercials, just whatever music or program I want to listen to. Terrestrial stations in Vancouver are garbage. Alberta has much better stations (rock and roll wise) IMHO.

    (Response: I too, as you can tell, am not impressed with the quality of local content very often. However, I must admit that when I winter in the US and don’t get Canadian content on radio, in the newspapers and on tv (except for stories on Rob Ford) I do miss Vancouver and BC and Canadian news …or what passes for it these days. h.o)

  • 21 13 // Jun 10, 2014 at 6:44 pm

    Larry, if you think that Phil and Bill are better cuz there older or more your (our) age your probably right. The deal is that Ill bet that with a few bucks NW could go shopping for a better Phil and a more engaging Bill.
    Presently NW has a Mike Eckford doing “The Shift” from 7pm till 10 pm. Mr Eckford is 45 years old. His show is geared to a younger crowd suffering from A. D. D. It rambles on with his production staff yammering on as much as he does. It is disjointed, pointless, and lame. It makes you wish Phil and Bill were up past their bedtimes.

  • 22 Emma Rose // Jun 10, 2014 at 7:43 pm

    grew up with CKNW playing almost non-stop and The Vancouver on our doorstep daily.
    Now as an adult, I listen to CKNW less and less. Partly because I find it hard to support any media that gives Michael Campbell a podium to spout his ridiculous elitist rhetoric and partly because it IS tired radio.

    I do like Simi Sara – hard to be perfect for EVERY show and generally she is refreshing, candid, and asks the important questions.
    Their nightly Coast-to-Coast show is beyond awful and a real blight on the great radio programming ‘NW had at one time.
    When Michael Smyth fills in for Bill Good the show perks up – don’t always agree with him but at least he shows passion and admits to giving a biased opinion whereas Bill continues to say he’s unbiased but offers consistently slanted journalism imo ie teachers’ dispute.

    Check out CBC on a Saturday and you will get a smattering of FUN INTERESTING radio.

    (Response: Your remarks about Coast to Coast drew a smile. I hear it occasionally when I have to catch an early flight… and at first I thought it was a comedy show. Then I realized these people are FOR REAL! Some of course are not too bad, but then there are “the others” … cuckoo!!! And I can never figure out of the host is just putting them on … pretending to give credibility to all the pap …and make a nice living doing that … or does HE actually believe a lot of it too!!! h.o)

  • 23 Larry Bennett // Jun 10, 2014 at 9:27 pm

    13 thanks for the warning about this “Mike on mic” at NW but I just don’t have time to listen, anyhow. Like Graham I had Sirius but got rid of it, having music channels on the Cable, along with hundreds of T.V. channels, but I can’t stand drama, (except British ones – Foyle’s War etc) and tend to end up watching Cops or other gruesome shows like ‘Forensic Files’ or the excellent ‘Border Patrol’ and etc.. I know it sounds snobby to watch these “Public” channels, but they do deliver. All this while trying to read Ann Rule’s latest horror or a couple dozen books on the shelf waiting to be cracked! Then there are hundreds of L.P.s and music disks (discs?) and of course Harvey keeps us hopping. I am now, finally retired (well until I’m broke again) and there are too many bloody things to entertain one’s self! We didn’t have T.V. in Calgary until about ’55, (I was six) and it was only one channel – what the hell did we do?

  • 24 Required Name // Jun 10, 2014 at 9:31 pm

    Oh god, spare me the defense of Bill Good. The man hasn’t got a backbone and never did. He’s a typical example of the near retirement crowd running journalism in Vancouver these days. They are high on themselves, come from a generation where you just stayed at a place until you got promoted and are phoning it in everyday. Too many of these people around just wasting space and stealing a job, can good and you can hire five producers and an up and coming host for his salary. But, OMG, that would be a sound business decision and we know chorus hates that. As for Simi, I heard a story about her saying “Well, I don’t know where I’m going to work after this” when someone challenged her on letting a guest off the hook during an interview. They are ALL people who got into journalism for attention and only wanna climb the latter through glad-handing and image then fart out their mediocre product. Turn them OFF.

    (Response: Bill Good had better days in my view: there was a time when I felt he was fair and got into interesting, challenging topics and equally varied points of view. But I don’t feel that anymore when listening: too establishment orientated … too often highlighting business successes and executive profiles rather than, in my view, sufficiently championing causes of those left behind, those unhappy with the system etc. I still remember how he, Baldrey and Palmer denigrated and poo-poohed Bill Vander Zalm’s chances with the HST. His recent trip to China was a perfect example of lost journalistic opportunities, I thought: a total business wanker puff series … I doubt making anyone in China uncomfortable at all … in this the 25th Anniversary of Tiananmen Square killings of thousands, when dozens of human rights activists still in jail, censorship rampant everywhere (not to mention criminal hacking by the state). BORING! Surely that series did nothing to attract ratings …except down at the BC Business Council and Chamber of Commerce. h.o)

  • 25 13 // Jun 10, 2014 at 9:40 pm

    AHEM, Harvey and Ms Rose. Coast to Coast with Mr George Noory is probably the best thing to happen to NW since they ditched the Owl Prowl.Some of the alien abduction victims might be a bit off center and sure the paranormal stuff is a bit weird but the political shows, Alex Jones, and the wwf Jessie Ventura make for very interesting late night listening.

    (Response: From the odd (how appropriate a word for this show!) times I’ve listened, there are a lot more, in my view, WEIRD cuckoos phoning in or being interviewed as serious guests than just people with controversial points of view like Jesse Ventura etc. It’s entertaining, even funny (who wants to talk pipelines or education at 4 a.m.!) but I’m with Emma on this one … too many CRAZIES!! :) h.o)

  • 26 Larry Bennett // Jun 11, 2014 at 7:41 am

    At EXACTLY 9:27 last evening, a comment was made that appears inoffensive to any sensitivities, though it may have been inconsequential as it goes.
    This could be a very subtle hint that this particular fellow is no longer appreciated or welcome at this blog. (It certainly wouldn’t be the first time!) If on the other hand, this was merely an oversight, not meant to offend, please feel free to cancel this commentary – #24.

  • 27 skidder // Jun 11, 2014 at 8:41 am

    I was once a 12 hour per day listener of CKNW, from the very beginning. Mair, Bannerman, Webster, Frosty…those were the days. I listen to the sports shows now because at least they’re funny! Last week CKNW repeatedly ran a news report about a kid from high school organizing a “massive student walkout” to take place all over the province! My 10 year old grandaughter called me to ask what was going on, and what should she do? There was no massive walkout and the 2 kids in her school who walked, ended up in the principal’s office. CKNW is suffering from dementia. (I love to read what you write, but do you have to print every comment by L.Bennett? He really is boring)

    (Response: Larry is … Larry. I really don’t mind printing his comments… offbase as some of them are. Would hate to decide which to print and which to drop. And he does sometimes make some very good points (that means I agree :) And I want this forum to be as open as possible … we really need that in BC. Plus, I can tell you, in the more than four years I’ve been doing this blog, I have only “banned” one person … who repeatedly name-called others on here, hurled insults, used filthy language etc. and said other things that led me to believe he had serious mental issues. As for what passes as “news” today…I agree: the use of hyperbole (greatest, biggest, massive, record, etc.) is increasing in inverse proportion to the actual amount of major local stories some radio and tv stations present! h.o)

  • 28 lou // Jun 11, 2014 at 9:03 am

    the global radio ad you refer to is a result of cume of the audience. global run more news programs then other stations so their cume is higher as it should be. What one should do is see how the averages news audience of all news casts on all stations compare. that would be the true test.

    (Response: They will likely never tell us that …but would be happy to publish the info! But even their “cume” numbers are nothing to brag about …. The BCTV Newshour alone used to draw six and seven times its closest competitor …well above the three they now tout in ads. h.o)

  • 29 Larry Bennett // Jun 11, 2014 at 9:34 am

    Thanks Harvey, It might be added that “Larry” doesn’t hide behind some “alias” the likes of many here and throughout the internet. However, I don’t think I have ever heard of “skidder” before, but that may be because he/she goes by various handles, and knowing that few will be able to put a face to him/her, it gives same a sense of anonymity!

    (Response: Actually very glad to hear from skidder and a few other new commenters recently: the blogosphere could use more variety and contributors …and a lot of them are quite interesting. h.o)

  • 30 Henri // Jun 11, 2014 at 9:42 am

    skidder #27 , Me thinks your opinion of Larry is wrong , contrary, there is nothing boring about Larry.

  • 31 michael // Jun 11, 2014 at 11:18 am

    interesting comments
    I think today’s Talk Show Callers must rate quite high on Biggest Whiners in Canada over trivial local issues created in Large Part by the narrow spectrum of topics raised by current radio hosts
    except John Macomb and Till to some degree
    Where are the Mairs,Gabereau’s, Webster’s etc ??
    They were well aware there is a World Outside Vancouver!!
    As it Fathers Day soon I had a thought from My Youth that My Dad after surving nearly 4 years in a Japanese POW Camp in Singapore arrived home and received a Handshake ,70 UK pounds a couple of Medals,New Suit and New Army Uniform!!
    How does that sit with with the Whiners about Their Starbucks Coffee not made properly!!!
    I am happy I lived My era in the “good old days”
    How about You fellow Boomers
    We were lucky
    And bring back Classic Radio Replay on NW
    I do not wish to listen to Johnny Dollar Online!!

    (Response: Well, the good old days did have some very appealing characteristics: never worried about locking front door or leaving anything visible inside the car; kids actually played and ran and almost lived all day outside … even in winter …not glued staring downward into a gadget in their hands; and radio/tv/music sure seemed a lot more entertaining, less crass and comedians were funny, not just dirty. BUT don’t forget: racism was rampant almost everywhere; TV was in black and white and only two or three channels; tv censorship was so prevalent a lot of issues were ignored and in dramas, adults couldn’t even be seen sleeping in the same bed, and politicians felt the public had almost no right to the truth … hmm, guess some things have NOT changed! h.o)

  • 32 Larry Bennett // Jun 11, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    I must thank Henri for his kind observation ….. I think! One supposes skidder finds boring … well, the residue of my Christian morality, – that along with the the loneliness of my/our human condition. I am too, at the age where it would be wise to abandon sex for gardening, if for no other reason than that the latter is far more likely to be fruitful. Old people are always boring because it is not merely angst over a life lived (inadequately), but rather of a life, unlived. Like Newman, ‘I loved the garish day and, spite of fears, Pride ruled my will.’ As Whittaker Chambers so aptly noted (and he would know), “Man without mysticism is a monster”. Some might call it the apprehension of Truth by the means of the imagination; the voluptuousness of imagery. Or maybe – I’m just boring.

  • 33 nonconfidencevote // Jun 11, 2014 at 5:06 pm

    Skidder, i guess the good( and bad )of most blogs is the myriad of comments that will flow forth.
    I think this is the reason that newspapers, radio and tv are dying.
    If I ( or Larry) want to comment on something posted here( either by Harvy or a commenter) I can log in at MY leisure. Look at it. Think about it. And maybe comment on it.
    Then everyone else can either agree or disagree with what I’ve said.

    This back and forth is essentially impossible with the MSM as it stands.

    As for Larry’s multiple comments…..I may not agree with him but
    C’est la vie.

    (Response: A wide open forum is something the blogosphere can offer best: people can lay out their positions, their philosophies, their disagreements here …if they’re even close to being on topic …without being edited down to a few sentences or cut off because I disagree with them. Although it still boggles my mind how they can disagree with me! h.o.)

  • 34 Rocker Rich // Jun 11, 2014 at 5:37 pm

    Now that NW is finally airing Coast to Coast live, you at least have a chance to hear a southern B.C. listener making it onto the air with a provocative question. It seems NW producers do a pretty good job of screening out callers with views diverging from the Corus business-is-to-be-revered philosophy.

    Also, what’s with all the verbal miscues by NW newscasters these days? It would be great to find out just how many reporters are currently working for NW versus the old days. My bet is a lot fewer.

    (Response: Unless you have personal experience, I think it’s unfair to just say producers screen out divergent views. I believe that’s simply untrue, because I do hear them on air. I would agree though that often seems those who do get on with “disagreeable” positions aren’t on for long. So maybe many don’t bother calling, waiting on hold …for what they believe will be a very short conversation? h.o)

  • 35 13 // Jun 11, 2014 at 8:36 pm

    Here is a conspiracy theory for you. I have been calling in to NW for many years. I probably get through to screener 50% of the time. On hold I usualy make the cut and get on air. If the screener thinks you will take a shot at the host or have any sort of opinion that is out of the box you not only get on but you get bumped to the next caller.
    A few weeks ago I called in and made a short statement about the topic. The host shut me down , disagreed with my statement then went on to lambaste the rest of my opinion. Problem was the rest of my opinion was on another show a month or more ago. This leads me to believe that they catalogue their regular callers and might even do a short bio on likes dislikes and various opinions on different topics. All they have to do is type in your phone number to see the file.

    (Response: I’d bet you’d have been more interesting to listen to than the sycophants who call in to agree! More callers like you might even help lift them n the ratings! h.o)

  • 36 Roberta // Jun 11, 2014 at 9:42 pm

    So many interesting,insightful comments. CKNW has had its day. Al Davidson, jack Webster were its best broadcasters. Now just flack.
    BCTV had the best news In The 70, 80, 90′s…not anymore. Even newspapers..sun..province..all boring.
    Thanks for the internet!

    (Response: It’s so sad …but true. However, I live in hope. I know CTV has tried to improve it’s product and I think they have done so …somewhat. I still find their choice of “top” stories sometimes weird … designed to make me flip to Global! CBC local is also not bad … some decent story-telling but for some reason, their brass don’t seem to do much to promote their local news anywhere ..except on CBC, so people just tune to the others, out of habit. h.o.)

  • 37 Required Name // Jun 11, 2014 at 10:00 pm

    Reason you aren’t hearing from Okanagan people is no one listens to cable radio anymore and I don’t think anyone carries NW programming up there anymore.

  • 38 nonconfidencevote // Jun 12, 2014 at 6:02 am

    @#32 Larry B

    “…..Or maybe – I’m just boring……”

    Nah , You keep me ( and my Ilk) endlessly amused.

  • 39 Emma Rose // Jun 12, 2014 at 10:58 am

    Finding the parallel between the lack-luster CKNW talk-shows, and blog participant Larry quite interesting: IT IS varying opinions and perspectives that make most discussions interesting and thoughtful. CKNW needs more Larrys and Bill Good needs to relax his pro-business pro-establishment pro-cushy life-style stance to encourage an interesting and refreshing exchange of ideas with callers.

    (Response: Lacklustre is a good way of summing it up …except, I find, when Michael Smyth is on. Very informative, really good questioner … and entertaining. I also enjoy, on the weekends, Michael Levi, when guests hosts for Campbell: Levi is certainly conservative in my view, but not nearly the constant outright right-wing propagandist that I find with Campbell. The rest are eminently forgettable. h.o)

  • 40 Larry Bennett // Jun 15, 2014 at 6:47 pm

    June 15 – Father’s Day at Global – They do a story about fathers who have empowered their daughters! I sent an email saying that therefore, this piece wasn’t really about fathers, it was about women – once again! You see, if you do not back your daughter’s right to kill your grandchild, for any reason whatsoever, you are an unfit father!

    (Response: Didn’t see it …wasn’t watching. That says something, doesn’t it. h.o)

  • 41 nonconfidencevote // Jun 16, 2014 at 4:42 pm

    I also saw that “puff piece” on female empowerment.

    gag.

    ……and the politically correct meek shall inherit the earth……..

    changed the channel and returned for the weather.