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		<title>By: Jahis</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/vanoccityprovince-ruin-games-support/comment-page-1/#comment-70253</link>
		<dc:creator>Jahis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 12:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I the only proesn left that still misses the Olymipics in Vancouver? I feel like I&#8217;m in a deep depression but this article really helped me thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only proesn left that still misses the Olymipics in Vancouver? I feel like I&#8217;m in a deep depression but this article really helped me thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: RS</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/vanoccityprovince-ruin-games-support/comment-page-1/#comment-64078</link>
		<dc:creator>RS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 05:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynn,

Your denial won&#039;t change the historical record and the fact that enhanced security protocol and increased security budgets for staging the Olympics began their steady escalation following Munich.  It was the end of the innocence.

(Response: Make no mistake.. the Olympics have long been exploited fror political purposes (Hitler 1936 eg).  But despite all kinds of world conflicts, the Islamic terrorists showed what barbarians they are by kidnapping and killing totally innocent young athletes in Munich. And just think of all the damage they have done in the world since then ... ruining air travel is only a tiny part of it. And despite what the anti-Israelis always say, it really has NOTHING to do with Israel.  Radical Islam&#039;s aim is control of the Arab world first ... by any means necessary: the proof is they have killed overwhelmingly more Muslims than even Israel ever has. And their ultimate goal is extension of Islam worldwide and destruction of the Western way of life ... like democracy, women&#039;s rights, etc.  And if they could strike the Olympics in Vancouver, they would ... that&#039;s why despite all my critiques of the way the Olympic management has made mistakes, I appreciate the need for huge amounts of extra security.  h.o.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynn,</p>
<p>Your denial won&#8217;t change the historical record and the fact that enhanced security protocol and increased security budgets for staging the Olympics began their steady escalation following Munich.  It was the end of the innocence.</p>
<p>(Response: Make no mistake.. the Olympics have long been exploited fror political purposes (Hitler 1936 eg).  But despite all kinds of world conflicts, the Islamic terrorists showed what barbarians they are by kidnapping and killing totally innocent young athletes in Munich. And just think of all the damage they have done in the world since then &#8230; ruining air travel is only a tiny part of it. And despite what the anti-Israelis always say, it really has NOTHING to do with Israel.  Radical Islam&#8217;s aim is control of the Arab world first &#8230; by any means necessary: the proof is they have killed overwhelmingly more Muslims than even Israel ever has. And their ultimate goal is extension of Islam worldwide and destruction of the Western way of life &#8230; like democracy, women&#8217;s rights, etc.  And if they could strike the Olympics in Vancouver, they would &#8230; that&#8217;s why despite all my critiques of the way the Olympic management has made mistakes, I appreciate the need for huge amounts of extra security.  h.o.)</p>
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		<title>By: the dude</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/vanoccityprovince-ruin-games-support/comment-page-1/#comment-64077</link>
		<dc:creator>the dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 05:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can add to the list of disruptions: all the people who&#039;s work has been shot down for the olympics because they are either in a high traffic area or within distance to game venues (hastings park), all school childrenn who will miis on their education, teachers who will miss salaries and parents who will spend fortunes to care for those out of school children... just to reduce traffic on the road!!!


This is the Biggest party this place has ever had, we are all paying for it, but none of us are invited. When its all over guess who cleans up?

(Response: Wait till all the bills come in!!  The party will be really OVER!  h.o.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can add to the list of disruptions: all the people who&#8217;s work has been shot down for the olympics because they are either in a high traffic area or within distance to game venues (hastings park), all school childrenn who will miis on their education, teachers who will miss salaries and parents who will spend fortunes to care for those out of school children&#8230; just to reduce traffic on the road!!!</p>
<p>This is the Biggest party this place has ever had, we are all paying for it, but none of us are invited. When its all over guess who cleans up?</p>
<p>(Response: Wait till all the bills come in!!  The party will be really OVER!  h.o.)</p>
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		<title>By: SharingIsGood</title>
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		<dc:creator>SharingIsGood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you see today&#039;s Guardian, Harvey? 

Our Premier was on the national news (CBC or CTV) defending the Vancouver Olympics as not costing more than what was budgeted. I didn&#039;t find him believeable, perhaps some gullible folks may.

Vancouver&#039;s Olympics head for disaster: Two weeks before the games and with police officers on every corner, Vancouver is far from an Olympic wonderland
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Buzz up! 
Digg it 
 
Douglas Haddow guardian.co.uk, Sunday 31 January 2010 15.00 GMT Article history

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/jan/31/vancouver-winter-olympics-police

(Response: The real stories ..and games ...  will be those after the Games, when the bills come in by the billion and when the teachers, hospital workers are told there&#039;s no money for any wage increases.  h.o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you see today&#8217;s Guardian, Harvey? </p>
<p>Our Premier was on the national news (CBC or CTV) defending the Vancouver Olympics as not costing more than what was budgeted. I didn&#8217;t find him believeable, perhaps some gullible folks may.</p>
<p>Vancouver&#8217;s Olympics head for disaster: Two weeks before the games and with police officers on every corner, Vancouver is far from an Olympic wonderland<br />
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Buzz up!<br />
Digg it </p>
<p>Douglas Haddow guardian.co.uk, Sunday 31 January 2010 15.00 GMT Article history</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/jan/31/vancouver-winter-olympics-police" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/jan/31/vancouver-winter-olympics-police</a></p>
<p>(Response: The real stories ..and games &#8230;  will be those after the Games, when the bills come in by the billion and when the teachers, hospital workers are told there&#8217;s no money for any wage increases.  h.o)</p>
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		<title>By: Mick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 05:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What they fail to add to this story is the disgusting truth about the Politicos and all their buddies feeding at the taxpayer trough to the tune of millions.  For example taking over (a whole .. h.o.) Hotel for the Olympic committee.  Sending millions of dollars worth  of Olympic tickets to their compatriots along with hotels and expenses to gain future votes and considerations.  The hugh expense of 3 cruise ships at Ballantyne pier housing the 5 ring circus Gestapo.  Yes Mr &amp; Mrs taxpayer ,  just smile and be happy - you won&#039;t  have to pay the bill till later and we can spread it over the next 50  years because that is precisely how long it will take.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What they fail to add to this story is the disgusting truth about the Politicos and all their buddies feeding at the taxpayer trough to the tune of millions.  For example taking over (a whole .. h.o.) Hotel for the Olympic committee.  Sending millions of dollars worth  of Olympic tickets to their compatriots along with hotels and expenses to gain future votes and considerations.  The hugh expense of 3 cruise ships at Ballantyne pier housing the 5 ring circus Gestapo.  Yes Mr &#038; Mrs taxpayer ,  just smile and be happy &#8211; you won&#8217;t  have to pay the bill till later and we can spread it over the next 50  years because that is precisely how long it will take.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/vanoccityprovince-ruin-games-support/comment-page-1/#comment-64065</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rs,
I beg to differ. The lane closures and intense security has NOTHING to do with Munich. According to folklore the Moussad took care of that problem. No, this has everything do with clearing a path for the self annoited vip&#039;s and to pad the bottom line of the security firms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rs,<br />
I beg to differ. The lane closures and intense security has NOTHING to do with Munich. According to folklore the Moussad took care of that problem. No, this has everything do with clearing a path for the self annoited vip&#8217;s and to pad the bottom line of the security firms.</p>
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		<title>By: rs</title>
		<link>http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/vanoccityprovince-ruin-games-support/comment-page-1/#comment-64061</link>
		<dc:creator>rs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary E,

I don&#039;t think you can lay blame entirely upon &quot;DUBYA , Cheney,Regan and Bush senior.&quot;  Perhaps you&#039;re too young, or you have forgotten the tragedy that occured at the 1972 Olympic Games in Munich.  No -- I&#039;m not defending the aforementioned, I&#039;m just saying the difficulties staging the Olympics, or any event of such magnitude, goes  much further back and much deeper than your abridged view of events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary E,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you can lay blame entirely upon &#8220;DUBYA , Cheney,Regan and Bush senior.&#8221;  Perhaps you&#8217;re too young, or you have forgotten the tragedy that occured at the 1972 Olympic Games in Munich.  No &#8212; I&#8217;m not defending the aforementioned, I&#8217;m just saying the difficulties staging the Olympics, or any event of such magnitude, goes  much further back and much deeper than your abridged view of events.</p>
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		<title>By: A. G. Tsakumis</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. G. Tsakumis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 10:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Superb analysis Harv. 

Let&#039;s stop at the exorbitant ticket prices. This is NOt an event for everybody except the very wealthy and the idiots we re-elected...by default.

(Response: Well, if people are willing to pay the ticket prices ... that helps cover  the enormous costs.  But you and I know a lot of what is going on is not really necessary, but is being done just to cater to the &quot;privileged&quot;  ... at the cost of the those who will ernd up paying a huge portion of the bills.  h.o) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superb analysis Harv. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s stop at the exorbitant ticket prices. This is NOt an event for everybody except the very wealthy and the idiots we re-elected&#8230;by default.</p>
<p>(Response: Well, if people are willing to pay the ticket prices &#8230; that helps cover  the enormous costs.  But you and I know a lot of what is going on is not really necessary, but is being done just to cater to the &#8220;privileged&#8221;  &#8230; at the cost of the those who will ernd up paying a huge portion of the bills.  h.o)</p>
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		<title>By: Norm Farrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norm Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 07:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They have installed, apparently, 900 security cameras throughout city and mountain sites. I wonder what other technology has been purchased secretly from the almost $1 billion security budget that is hidden from examination.

Sonic cannons? Multi-shot tasers? Armed aerial drones? Thermal laser pain beams? Armored personnel carriers? Tanks? Specialty munitions? Laser microphones?

Who can say no, when no needs to be said?

(Response: It is clear some of it is ained at potential terrorists and I have no argument with that; other is aimed at protestors/crowd control and some of this worries me ... and I beleive the extra cameras will be left in place after the games ..not turned on ...but ready in case any of you step out of line?  h.o) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They have installed, apparently, 900 security cameras throughout city and mountain sites. I wonder what other technology has been purchased secretly from the almost $1 billion security budget that is hidden from examination.</p>
<p>Sonic cannons? Multi-shot tasers? Armed aerial drones? Thermal laser pain beams? Armored personnel carriers? Tanks? Specialty munitions? Laser microphones?</p>
<p>Who can say no, when no needs to be said?</p>
<p>(Response: It is clear some of it is ained at potential terrorists and I have no argument with that; other is aimed at protestors/crowd control and some of this worries me &#8230; and I beleive the extra cameras will be left in place after the games ..not turned on &#8230;but ready in case any of you step out of line?  h.o)</p>
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		<title>By: Crankypants</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crankypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 07:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It just keeps getting better and better.  Fortress, the hedge fund that sort of owns Intrawest, is apparently shaking down Ottawa for $90 million before the games begin.  The story broke in The New York Post, was carried on CBC&#039;s website and on Global&#039;s late night news.

Is this Athlete&#039;s Village all over again?

I&#039;m glad I am attending nothing associated with this circus.  Vanoc is suggesting that it may take up to 3 hours to go through security for every event.  Add to that the length of time it will take to get anywhere, and one has to conclude that those people that tried to buy tickets and got shut out are the big winners.

I also fear that the security they are throwing at this will still not be sufficient to stop someone from creating havoc should they so choose.  Meanwhile the law abiding citizens  will pay with  loss of freedoms and countless businesses will pay with either a big hit to their bottom line or maybe into extinction.

(Response: What struck me is WHY did this Canadian story break in the New York Post?  h.o.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just keeps getting better and better.  Fortress, the hedge fund that sort of owns Intrawest, is apparently shaking down Ottawa for $90 million before the games begin.  The story broke in The New York Post, was carried on CBC&#8217;s website and on Global&#8217;s late night news.</p>
<p>Is this Athlete&#8217;s Village all over again?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad I am attending nothing associated with this circus.  Vanoc is suggesting that it may take up to 3 hours to go through security for every event.  Add to that the length of time it will take to get anywhere, and one has to conclude that those people that tried to buy tickets and got shut out are the big winners.</p>
<p>I also fear that the security they are throwing at this will still not be sufficient to stop someone from creating havoc should they so choose.  Meanwhile the law abiding citizens  will pay with  loss of freedoms and countless businesses will pay with either a big hit to their bottom line or maybe into extinction.</p>
<p>(Response: What struck me is WHY did this Canadian story break in the New York Post?  h.o.)</p>
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