Victory! Pharmacies Back Off the Triple Fee Ripoff!

We did it! It sometimes does pay to raise hell, rant and rave … and most of all … expose consumer rip-offs that are simply wrong.

CTV at 6 reported Tuesday night many of Canada’s pharmacies have again begun issuing three-month renewals of most prescription drugs.

Several weeks ago, saying they wanted to protect Canada from hoarding and shortages, many pharmacists started limiting prescription renewals to only 30 days’ supply.

I called it “bullsh*t” … just a ripoff by pharmacists forcing consumers to pay three-times the previous dispensing costs for a 90-day supply for EACH drug.

Here’s my blog on the topic … on April 5: http://harveyoberfeld.ca/blog/canadian-pharmacists-triple-fee-scam-will-add-to-covid-19-infections-and-deaths/

That fee … $10 to $12 or more for each and every prescription …. added up substantially for many … especially seniors or those with chronic illnesses forced to take seven, eight or even more drugs regularly.

And what particularly outraged me was that the monthly fees weren’t just being applied to drugs legitimately in short supply … but to every prescription, even those generics in plentiful supply.

Outrageous!

Yet, despite all their lip service about how much they value seniors, neither Prime Minister Trudeau nor Premier John Horgan (Or any other premier I’m aware of) did anything to stop the ripoff!

At least … not in public.

But perhaps the politicians felt the heat from Canadians coast to coast; perhaps the pharmacists did; perhaps they both saw the injustice that had been inflicted on Canadians … or, my favorite, perhaps they read this blog … and the dozens of comments that condemned them all.

Whatever the reason, many pharmacists … including several from the very large chains … have now backed off!

You can now refill your prescriptions again for up to 90 days … for a SINGLE dispensing fee each.

And if yours still will not …remember, all it takes to move your prescriptions to another pharmacy (even in mid-stream of the doctor’s order being fulfilled) is a simple phone call from your new pharmacy. It’s a call they will no doubt be very happy to make! 🙂

So check, shop around … and move your business away from any pharmacy that wants to continue ripping you off.

You’ll feel better for it … not just financially, but probably psychologically and thus maybe even medically too!

Harv Oberfeld

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20 Responses to Victory! Pharmacies Back Off the Triple Fee Ripoff!

  1. D. M. Johnston says:

    Good, as my prescription is coming to an end and a refill needed.

    What we see is corporate profiteering and it is across the board.

    Loblaw reported net earnings of $276-million in the quarter, or 67 cents per share, compared to $206-million or 54 cents per share in the same period last year. Grocery sales accounted for $8.3-billion in the quarter, while Shoppers Drug Mart sales were $3.3-billion.

    Note Shoppers Drug Mart…..

    I think the power of the “boomer Remover” generation is being felt, as far too many seniors have been thrown under the bus, for the benefit of profit.

    Easy pickins for almost everyone, including politicians.

    Be healthy, everyone!

    (Response: Of course, what the pharmacists failed to mention was how many people who come in to pick up their prescriptions also spend on other items in the stores. It really is a captive audience … and when they almost all invoked (colluded through their “associations”?) to implement the 30-day renewal policy … they literally had us coming and going! h.o)

  2. hawgwash says:

    Yeah but…
    “Somebody else” did it for them didn’t they?

    At the tail end of you last post you cited 5.9 million seniors and how half of them were forced to live on $28,000 per year.

    5.9 million, all of voting age. So why don’t we hear more from them? Complacency? Not too needy? Cold and uncaring? That shot was insulting.

    Workers, students, businesses and yes, even corporations, raised their voices, in blocks. They were vocal; some more so than others. Some so vocal, when they did get help, they said it was not enough.

    What are we hearing from 5.9 million Canadians? Crickets and that is why they get no attention.

    Living on less than $28,000 a year is not difficult. I do it. On substantially less. So much less, that even with capital gains, I still pay no taxes. I plan 12 to 18 months out, budget and pull out what I believe to be enough to modestly supplement my CPP and OAS over that period.

    Inside that plan is a life in a very nice, vibrant urban area, which has everything I need. Inside that plan is a car, which at this point of my life, I consider a luxury. Inside that plan, I use transit and free ferries. Inside that plan I utilize thrift stores. Inside that plan I shop wisely, buy only what I need and take advantage of sales because, inside that plan is a one to three week 3 to 8k annual vacation that usually involves a plane.

    I belong to a bowling league, volunteer at the food bank and buy flour for my neighbour, who in turn bakes for the church soup kitchen. I have a good social life and am quite happy to have outlived all my male family members going back to 1839.

    If even a quarter of your below median group, (what’s that, .75 million?) were vocal or could convince their families to be vocal, I would gladly march with them.

    You injected CARP. Why only 300,000 members; just 5% of that 5.9 million voting block?

    Neither you nor I can do it for them, without them.

    (Response: You’re absolutely right: crickets from most. One of the things I learned early on in covering politics was the squeaky wheel gets the grease … and too many Canadians are too complacent. They aren’t happy with much they see around them …but don’t seem to notice how effective others can be by being loud, consistently pushing and demanding on all kinds of issues … and they are the ones who the politicians cater to … while the silent (majority?) so often gets ignored …until it’s time to pay for things! h.o)

  3. e.a.f. says:

    didn’t catch the 6 p.m. CTV news but did hear about the reversal by some chains.
    this blog certainly gave it enough exposure and then it would appear CTV picked it up o on their consumer affairs section. That was most likely more heat than the pharmacy chains wanted. It was not just a rip off but very bad optics, in the middle of a pandemic lock down when the majority aren’t working pharamacies and their suppliers decided to triple the cost of a single prescription. that is not what families or seniors in Canada need right now.

    Thank you for the work on this file.

    (Response: I believe, despite the pharmacists’ explanation that it’s just because supplies have increased, it shows that the public CAN influence decisions by even large corporations if enough of us apply pressure. It was good to see CTV at 6 go after this story: but I’m amazed that the other media could not ..or would not … see the importance of the issue to most of their viewers, listeners and readers. Says a lot about their disconnectivity from “real” people. h.o)

  4. 13 says:

    Harvey Hawg and eaf. Interesting points by all 3 and Harveys responses. Its easy to get people wound up in a cafe, or on a Keeping it Real Blog. Its amazing that this reversal of fees is being completely ignored by the msm.
    Personally about 40 years ago I parked my semi to block the exit driveway of the LCB warehouse on Broadway. I was threatened by all sorts of LCB management types I got total support from the unionized LCB truckers and warehouse staff. A group of independent truckers had placed pickets at all the roadways in and out. I stopped and asked the picketer if it was a legal picket line. He thanked me for stopping and handed me a flyer and said go on in. The information picketer at the out gate called me a scab. I refused to drive past him . I explained all of this to LCB security. If I didnt drive past him I could not be a scab. The upshot was VPD came and took the info picket away and ordered me to move on. Point of all this is over 40 years in trucking the only way to get anywhere is to cause a problem. Seniors blocking the intersection of Broadway and Cambie might garner some attention. I wouldnt be a organizer but I certainly could be a participant.

  5. Rob R says:

    I fired off an email to a me Gogo at the pharmacists Association, cc to Adrian Dix. Never heard from Gogo or Dix. My letter was pretty tough on that Gogo letter. I phoned the Superstore, but he was pretty positive that there was no chance in hell he was changing. Shoppers, the same thing. My wife tried Safeway, they weren’t charging the extra two months. I found a small independent drugstore in Brookswood, and will switch all my business to him.

    (Response: The great thing about competition is that it really works well when the big companies get too arrogant … and all of them raise prices simultaneously because they feel they’ve cornered the market (did anyone really believe there were shortages for ALL drugs?). So along comes some little family-run businesses who know there are not shortages for EVERYTHING, see the opportunity ..and attract away customers, and new loyalties, by not gouging. Good for them! h.o)

  6. max avelli says:

    Dear Harvey,

    As you may have realized, I have a contrarian instinct to balderdash.

    As I noted in your original post on this matter, there was never any requirement for pharmacists to charge a dispensation fee for each 30 day supply on a 90 day prescription.

    Just before all hell shut down, I got a 100 day prescription from my doctor. The 30 day thing was then in effect. I only got 30 days worth that day, but I did not pay any further dispensation fee when I picked up the rest up 2 weeks later (common drug). London Drugs, as I said. If you are getting gouged, change drug stores.

    In any event, your previous column was completely premature. When you wrote it, the shutdown/30 day thing had only just been implemented. At the time you wrote that post, no one would have actually have needed to get additional pills under the 30 day policy. So neither you — or any of your frothing at the mouth cyber warrior followers — would have known whether they actually got charged another dispensing fee.

    Doh!!!

    (Response: Once again, you’re wrong. You really shouldn’t view EVERYONE’s life or experience based your own schedule/calendar. The policy was in effect (no surprise without great fanfare by the pharmacists) well before I noticed/experienced it … and not just the day before I wrote about it. So what about those whose 90-day supply needed refilling at the beginning? Ooops .. 30 days only was what they could get at what sure seemed to be all the major chains … and really, do you think anyone, right in the middle of a Rx period, when told there were “shortages” would say “Hang on … I’ll go shop around and transfer the balance of my Rx elsewhere.” Keep it real! And then, who would wait till the last day before refilling again …especially when their pharmacy had warned there are “shortages”? Again, keep it real! So I have no doubt many hundreds of thousands of Canadians … maybe even millions … across the country renewed in three weeks or so … and thus, paid the extra fees, ripped off unnecessarily at $10 to $13 per prescription, before the pharmacists backed down. AFTER the pharmacists pocket HUGE extra profits. Duh!!! h.o)

  7. 13 says:

    I need help. Not because im frothing at the mouth but simply to explain. 3 weeks ago I took my 5 —90 day prescriptions into a save on pharmacy. The pharmacist lied to my face when she claimed the 30 day dole out was a government edict. So what should I expect tomorrow when I ask for the remaining 60 days
    No dispensing fees and an apollogy
    another lie and a dispensing fee for 30 days
    dispensing fee for 60 days
    option one is the only option that wont require a discussion.

    (Response: I hope Max reads this! So much for me being “premature” in sounding the alarm: you are a perfect example of what I was referring to in my response to him. And, sadly, I would not be surprised if there are a million Canadians or more who are sharing your circumstances. I just renewed four on Tuesday to ensure I got them before running out Tuesday … also paying my SECOND fee in my 90-day period, getting 60-days each this time … but still ripped of for an extra $40 in dispensing fees during my usual 90-day period! Just think how many EXTRA millions of dollars pharmacies pocketed from the triple-fee scam before they backed off! They should contact ALL their customers who were ripped off and offer FREE renewals for the next 60 days. h.o)

  8. DBW says:

    Covid-19 certainly has brought out the best and the worst in us which fascinates me because we not only get to see how different people react during these unprecedented times but we also get to see how people view the world in general.

    When you first brought this issue up on Apr. 5, calling it a scam, a ripoff, a shakedown, I was certainly concerned for the people, especially the low income people who would have to pay extra, but I commented that Dr. Henry and Adrian Dix had been made aware and were working on it. Remember too, that the pharmacy association referred to it as a temporary measure to ensure that the supply chain was not compromised. Call me naive but I never thought that this was going to be long term. Now a month later the temporary policy has been changed back but people here are seeing this as a victory against those evil pharmacists who took advantage of covid-19 to scam the public.

    Maybe it’s a small town thing, but I know the pharmacists in the various stores in town and I don’t view them that way at all. Again maybe it’s a small town thing but I wouldn’t be surprised if some of our pharmacists waived the extra fee especially for the people they know that are on a fixed low income. Yeh call me naive. (Remember when Jay called me naive and meant it as an insult and then later referred to Trump as naive but didn’t mean it as an insult?) So call me naive. I won’t be insulted.

    Many protesters particularly in the States but even in Canada and on this blog see the stay at home order as an infringement of our rights that it is some plot (especially of the left) to gain some kind of advantage. Like getting rid of cars in Stanley Park. I don’t see the world that way at all.

    Of course I know there are selfish people who will hoard and people who will take advantage of circumstances to gain a buck. But that has always been the case.

    Look at your last topic on help for seniors. Covid-19 has shone a spotlight on the inequities in our society. And of course we should be helping anybody in need at this time. But what about next year when covid-19 is long in the past. What are we going to do about the low income workers without benefits who will become that low income senior in the future. What are we going to do for all the workers in our community who don’t have enough in savings to survive during a three month emergency because expenses are so high that they have nothing to save or even stay home a day or two when sick because they have no sick leave. What are we going to do about long term care facilities after this is all over.

    The naive DBW has a world view that sees positive change as a possibility, but the cynic in him sees so much mistrust of people’s motives that he has his doubts.

    (Response: As I’m sure you realize, it’s not good enough to add unjustifiable charges (no way was there a shortage of ALL drugs) onto anyone’s bill and then defend that, saying you “wouldn’t be surprised if some of our pharmacists waived the extra fee especially for the people they know that are on a fixed low income.” How would a pharmacist know the income of every customer? By requiring a means test when you submit a Rx? Copies of income tax returns? The way people are dressed? Fair policy must apply to everyone …equally. And although Dix said yesterday acknowledged he had received many complaints about the monthly charges, and the government “was working on it” … there was absolutely no evidence or even a claim that the backaway was because of political action or even pressure …but there was evidence the public was mad as hell at the outrageous add ons to ALL Rx and I believe the industry simply caved to that pressure. h.o)

  9. Lulymay says:

    So, Harvey, it is somewhat gratifying that pharmacies (don’t know if all) are backing down on their scam to make off with extra fees for counting out 30 pills. Because my spouse and I are both in our 80’s our Dr. told both of us to stay at home and get one of our family to do our shopping for us. My spouse does have a compromised immune system but I don’t, so we decided that I should use all precautions and go out for groceries as the larger chains had implemented enough restrictions to feel safer.
    I go out every 10 days or so as needed, so he was getting close to needing his second 30 days of this particular medication and that I should pick them up while getting our food. April 27 I again went to Shopper’s and again expressed my negativeness around their “need” to keep common meds to a 30 day supply complete with new fee structure. So, again, the $10.00 bee was added. I’m pretty sure that decision to back off this nonsense was well in the works, but just not announced yet. So, now, with one more 30 day supply left to purchase, I’ll just have to see if they will treat it as a separate prescription??? I let them know in no uncertain terms that I will not be having any of my prescriptions filled by them in future (they are also noted as having higher costs of meds than another well known pharmacy). Thanks for all your support – I’m sure it counted for a lot of their new decision to back off this money grab.

    (Response: Moving your Rx is your right if you don’t like the prices or the service and you can do it even in the middle of a Rx’s coverage. It does send a message … although with the very large chains, I’ve done it after 30 years and I don’t anyone in the local store even noticed. LOL! So sometimes it may worth a call to customer relations just to let them know WHY you moved. I didn’t bother doing that, but in other cases, I have found complaints usually do filter back to the original store and I know it is added to the feedback reports provided to headquarters. h.o)

  10. max avelli says:

    Dear Harvey,

    Do you even read your own blog posts??

    And maybe you want to get your calendar of events straight. Doh!!

    You proclaim in your post:

    You can now refill your prescriptions again for up to 90 days … for a SINGLE dispensing fee each.

    Your original post on this matter was on April 5. Some pharmacies had just begun introducing the 30-day supply policy at that time. Anyone who filled their prescription before that would have gotten their full prescription. So not affected at all. And anyone who got just a 30 day supply after this policy had come into effect had not yet needed to get more meds before the time you posted on April 5. Case in point — apparently, based on your post — you were not charged an additional dispensation fee when you recently picked up the balance of your prescription. Your own words say so. Doh!!

    So you were just blathering nonsense at the time of your original post, because no one, at that point, had actually paid an extra dispensing fee!! That was my point in the first place. And it was Doh! (as in Homer Simpson), not duh.

    (Response: Wrong again. I WAS charged a dispensing fee again when I got my recent renewal… And there were four prescriptions …so I paid FOUR extra fees…. that’s $40 EXTRA! Multiply that by millions of Canadians paying similarly … even for drugs that were never in short supply … and you should be outraged by the greed of the pharmacist industry that did that during our time of crisis. h.o)

  11. BMCQ says:

    Maxiavelli

    For some rather odd reasoning you seem to be a “People Kind” that just wants to play “Gotchya” and contrarian games with mostly our Host and at times some other thoughtful and philosophical caring contributors on this blog, and frankly to me your behaviour is rather perplexing,

    (Edited…h.o.)

    I am thoroughly convinced that if Harvey or a say a “RWNJ” as you describe them offered very factual information on any given topic you would for some reason go to the attack, why ? You argue when you have no basis or fact to support your argument, you criticize while really not offering anything of substance or logic to counter another posters contribution.

    (Edited…)

    In other words you could be quoted as stating the following “Please do not confuse me with the facts, I have already made up my mind” .

    Harvey may choose to trash this or if he does let my post stand he will say he is in support of people stating their opinions etc., but IMHO I say that if you disagree with Harvey you should be much more respectful, after all most other Blog Masters would have punted you a long time ago, you are very fortunate Harvey does not have my temperament, very lucky .

    (Response: I like dissenting views: have often learned a lot from them. Although, I do enjoy best those who disagree by offering their own facts and figures … not just posing questions and demands for me to provide more. h.o)

  12. DBW says:

    Couple of things Harvey.

    First, the more I read your blog and the comments, the more I am glad I moved out of Vancouver as a naive 23 year old and settled in a smaller community. I have mentioned before that I know (and in most cases quite well) our municipal representatives and even when I disagree with them I don’t view them as the enemy.

    The same is true of our pharmacists. There are four pharmacists in the store I use. Most of the time I deal with one of the techs but I can still say I know the pharmacists and I don’t view them as scammers and shakedown artists. Right now they are one of our frontline workers doing essential work to keep society moving.

    Now that is not to say the pharmacy association was perfect in putting in this TEMPORARY policy at a time of high uncertainty. Some drugs could have been exempted for example. Mistakes are made. That doesn’t mean they should be characterized as some evil Bond like villain that we have vanquished when they ended this TEMPORARY policy after a single month.

    (BTW, you asked how a pharmacist would know if somebody was low income? I said maybe it’s a small town thing. We are aware of our neighbours.)

    Which gets me to my second point which I tried to explain in my last comment. What are we going to do with all of this after the crisis passes. Why is three months the magic number for renewals. Why not four and give everybody a 25% reduction in dispensing fees. How much are we going to be looking out for seniors and others who are paying hundreds of dollars on dispensing fees on top of their drugs while trying to survive on minimum pensions. How hard are we going to be screaming for change in six months now that we have seen close up the inequities that exist in our society.

    (Response: I surmise the 90-day supply has long been considered reasonable by doctors and the industry, to meet the need, prevent hoarding and even allow a periodic review. The thing to remember is that many people take several different medications …so the fees can add up @ $10 to @13 each every time they get filled. h.o)

  13. Keith says:

    Good stuff Harvey.

    The practice of Pharmacy is a Designated Health Profession, under the Health Professions Act.

    https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/health/practitioner-professional-resources/professional-regulation/pharmacy

    The College of Pharmacists of B.C. is the regulatory body established to regulate both the practice of pharmacy and the operation of pharmacy businesses.

    As there is oversight both by the pharmacists college and legislation via the Province, not sure if there is any Federal oversight, or if consumer protection legislation would cover it. It seems to me an easy fix would be;
    If a pharmacy has to raise dispensing or any other fee from their normal business practices, apply to one of the overseeing bodies with documented justification.

    E.G. A notice from a supplier that a drug is in short supply due to x y or z reason, that rationing is required, then justify why the fees have to be amended. If the Justification is handled by the college, inform the province of the decision, or vice versa.

    With the virus doing the rounds it has changed the perception for many who and what is important, where it is produced and the length and complexity of the supply chain. Medications not only for regular prescriptions, but also those folks that have to take them waiting for surgery or treatment due to cancelled surgeries should be close to top of the list of vital supplies.

    (Response: I have not done a detailed investigation of HOW/WHY pharmacists across Canada were able to get away with tripling the fees (if the public and the blogosphere had not raised hell) that would have been paid over a
    three months period for EACH and EVERY drug prescription …without demonstrating any proof of total shortages! Some reports even suggested some provincial governments were complicit in ignoring and/or approving the move. But I’m retired …so I’ll leave it to the highly paid journalists to delve into how and why this happened But I’m happy if my blog exerted even a tiny pressure on governments and the pharmacists’ organizations to get the practice stopped. h.o)

  14. 13 says:

    DBW I hesitate to get involved in your debate on small vs big or a numbers game on weeks vs percentage etc.
    Having lived 66 years so far and had a hand in dealing with my mother my wife’s mother, my dad my stepdad and my wife’s dad all whom have passed away I can comment on many areas that seniors should receive better care. Better care from doctors, better care from pharmacies better care from government, from banks etc.
    Both my dad and father in law passed away before age 70. Every last dime of their CPP should have continued to be paid to the widows. Both mothers wound up in care facilities where they were not segregated from patients with advanced Alzheimers or advanced dementia. My mom had a nice room but the door would not lock for obvious reasons but the Alzheimers patients men and women could and would wander in any time they wished. My mom was very upset and so was I. Doctors either are to busy or dont care about treatment. My mom and stepdad were taking > of 2o different pills daily. Now they were seeing many different doctors but only using one pharmacy. When I confronted a pharmacist in a Safeway in New West with a shopping bag of prescription drugs and asked him to carefully check the maze of little plastic vials for compatability he saw they all were filled at his location and told me that I had no need to be concerned. I managed to corner one of my moms doctors and the number of prescriptions was greatly reduced.
    The pharmacist(s) at Safeway should have maybe caught the obvious problem. The Safeway is located in the heart of New Westminster and it is surrounded by care facilities. Draw your own conclusions I did.
    Without splitting hairs and not wanting to debate population , seniors in Canada deserve better. Every last one of them. From all three levels of government. Paying taxes till their last breath. Maybe its what they (we) deserve but somehow I think that once you pull the plug and stop earning income you should be allowed to live without paying taxes. Sure do a means test and if Jimmy Pattison has to pay some tax okay but I sure as hell know the parents I just described should have all been tax free.

  15. e.a.f. says:

    13 what you describe is not unusual. Its also costing taxpayer a bomb because many people receive subsidies for the prescriptions. I have heard of cases where some one goes to a new doctors. Dr. reviews all their prescriptions, takes them off of most of them and boy did the patient ever feel better.

    Many of these prescriptions are the result of life style choices. there needs to be a greater emphasis on keeping well. however how doctors are paid, it doesn’t encourage them to do that. Many doctors simply find it easier to prescribe. Sit in a doctor’s office and watch the drug reps come through.

    In my opinion a lot of pharmasits aren’t that great. All they check is, will the pills create a problem with other pills, if not, off you go with your new prescription. Perhaps it is time to take the prescription business out of drug stores. As long as you are a pharmasist you can own a pharmacy. Its like a license to print money.

    If we had a national prescription plan which simply had pharamasists as employees of the provincial governments we might see a whole new attitude.

    Back in the 1970s I knew a person who won the award for best “paper” for a graduating pharmacy student from a Canadian university. The subject of the document was how doctors killed their patients with medications Many of the sudies were done in care homes. the stores that person didn’t tell about how doctors “screwed up”. Doctors only get approx. a week of training on prescriptions while in medical school.

  16. BMCQ says:

    You said, “If we had a national prescription plan which SIMPLY had pharmacists as employees of the provincial government we might see a whole new attitude “ .

    Yes, we certainly would see a whole new attitude if pharmacists were provincial government employees, and that plan would include a whole new layer (or layers) of bureaucracy, oversight, “I dotting, T crossing”, regulation, navel gazing, and a whole other host of navel gazing, bloat, waste, empire building, and much more Mumbo Jumbo it would make Vancouver City Hall blush with envy .
    God Save the Tax Payer”, Long Live the Tax Payer” !

    At the same time I can guarantee you the numbers of employees for all of this wonderful proposal including thousands of other “Hangers On” and more the cost to The already over taxed Tax Payer would at least double or triple the cost to accomplish what prescription dispensing now costs .

    As General Walter Kurtz once said to me, “The Horror, The Horror” .

    I think there are some great comments here but to suggest more Government Regulation, Oversight, Bureaucracy, and Swamp Building is certainly not the answer .

    Personally I believe a certain amount of attention, discussion, consideration and now even some momentum has brought the plight of seniors with Pharma itself, cost of pharma the drug, cost of dispensing pharma, monitoring of pharma including types of drug prescriptions, drug interaction, and other necessary parts of this very costly puzzle to the forefront and the public needs to hear and see a Federal Commission which would include Provincial and Federal, Health Ministers, Finance Ministers, Senior Advocates, Physicians, pharmacists, and others deemed appropriate to review everything about Pharma, including Prescriptions, and Dispensing and just as important the Cost of all Pharmaceuticals to individuals and the tax payer.

    Within all of that Free World Nations need to join together to encourage, create incentive, and gently nudge Pharma manufactures to re shore manufacturing corps back to the U.S., Canada, U.K., EU, Australia, Japan, and others so populations including Seniors are guaranteed an ample supply of clean, safe, and cost effective drug supply . World Leaders need to re shore everything they can from China “Who Is Not Our Friend and Who is a Clear Present Danger” to Free World Nations so citizens can obtain reasonably priced Pharma and all other medical supplies and equipment including simple masks, gloves, and other safety apparel and equipment can beat the ready, we have no time to waste and we can start by making sure seniors do not suffer financially while they still have the best health care, oversight, and Pharmaceuticals available .

    It is now more obvious than ever that Health Care and Pharmaceuticals costs far too much, it is all a bloated cesspool of bureaucracy, there are too many layers of regulation, it is unmanageable, and it is literally out of control .

    We must also keep in mind that we have an ever growing population of “Oldsters” who require more health care and prescriptions so this all needs to be addressed .

    Even just a simple blog topic like this can be the beginning of a discussion that can start the wheels in motion to create a safer, more effective, and cost manageable Pharma system which would benefit all Canadians but especially Seniots but please let us not do anything like increasing the bloat and waste by making Pharmacists Public Sector Workers, God Help Us .

    We can all start by contacting our local MLA and MP, let’s give them notice we want results sooner than uh later .

  17. Marge says:

    Maybe part of the problem is not getting to know your pharmacist.
    I go to a local Shoppers Drugmart where I rely heavily on the advice of the pharmacists on allergy and vitamin pills for example. In some cases, they’ve been more helpful than my home family doctor in their knowledge. I’ve got to know them quite well over time and always try to show my appreciation for their help.
    When all of this pandemic stuff broke out, I needed a prescription. I did the online form for it and lo and behold I got ninety days’ worth of pills with only one dispensing payment. No problem, no questions asked. Don’t know if it’s because they forgot about the “added” on payments or if it’s because they knew me. I’m hoping it was the latter.

  18. e.a.f. says:

    with in all the free world nations……………………….

    That isn’t going to happen. We have to look no further than Perdue and how it helped create the opioid crisis in the u.s.a. Pharmacuticals is a huge business and those companies aren’t going to give up one nickel of profit and the way the American political system works politicians aren’t going to do much to force them to change. Just look at how much the american super pac spend on a politician’s campaign.

    When we signed the first free trade agreement with the U.S.A. as I recall on of the stipulations was that their control over the drug would be extended. The Americians pushed for it because their financial supporters wanted it.

    We need to look no further than the current COVID crisis and how differently it is being handled in the U.S.A. some nut bar president suggested using disenfectant…….
    they still can’t get all their citizens tested, their death rate is the highest in the world and not getting better. Gov. refuse to invoke lock downs and the president signed an executive order to keep slaughter houses open even if 600 people had the virus in one plant. the U.S.A. ‘s poliitcal and corporate classes don’t care about citizens. Now as to the rest, yes, the E.U. , Taiwan, Canada,Australia, N.Z, it wouldn’t be that hard to create a new pharmacy system. Canada already has a generic corporate system, it was just unfortunate some one decided to murder the biggest one of them, Mr. Sherman and his wife, Honey.

    From my reading, I’ve concluded there isn’t going to be a vaccine for some years, if ever. The best we can hope for is a treatment much like how we now treat HIV/AIDS. No vaccine, nor cure, but a drug which will keep you going in reasonable health. However, as with many drugs, corporate profits come first. That isn’t going to change. Its not that I have anything against corporations making money, but at some point the corporations will have all the money and we have seen this shift since the late 1960s. That leaves seniors sucking the hind tit as the old expression goes seniors no longer have the pensions they once did. Saving for retirement is more and more difficult because people’s salaries have not kept up with the rise in the cost of living. In B.C. and Greater Toronto the cost of housing is through the roof. Once people have raised their kids, helped them buy a house, etc. There isn’t much left.

    Most of the E;U has done a good job of health care for seniors. there are a few who aren’t interested, so they might want to kick those countries to the curb. Canada and pacific ocean countries might do well to work together with Taiwan and japan, N.Z., Australia, but if any one expects the U.S.A. to do much of anything for seniors who aren’t part of the mar a lago crowd, they’re dreaming.

    in canada when the Premiers of Quebec and Ontario realized how bad things were in care homes they requested help from the federal government in the form of the military. In the US.A. not so much. their president ordered slaughter houses to open, if a plant has 600 workers sick with COVID 19 how can you expect people to go to work. Then that virus is transported to the comunity and you have a lot of dead seniors.

    Drugs need to be an essential part of the Canadian health care system. What good is it for doctors to write presecriptions or perform surgery if the patient later can’t afford their medications to keep well. Just look at people who have to take insulin.

    any how I’ve gone on long enough and Harvey may be compelled to edit…..

  19. 13 says:

    @BMCQ The lack of oversight that eaf wants to fix with more bureaucracy should be looked after by two groups
    A strong opposition at all 3 levels of government . This has become as rare as green grass at Oppenheimer Parks
    A strong 5th estate. People like Sam Cooper that see an injustice and have the strength to turn over rocks until they shine light on a crook or corruption or a cover up.

  20. BMCQ says:

    You said “From my reading” .

    Let’s Keep it Real, the so called experts have been basically wrong each and every step of the day from the modelling which is jst as in accurate as the so called Climate Change B.C. to Bonnie Henry, Fauci, Canada Health Chief and apologist for China and W.H.O. Tam who all told us “We will never need to worry, everything will be fine, go on about your business” only a few weeks ago to the attempts to lock everyone down, you cannot have it both ways .

    What the Hell would you reading tell you? What might your background be that would allow you to deduce that a vaccine may be years off when the experts have been wrong about everything else ?

    Keep in mind that world leaders from all nations were basically trying to sort through the date provided to them from “something they read” and they were WRONG .

    (Edited…getting way off the topic, which is SUPPOSED to be Pharmacy pricing!)

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